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[Doug Nye]

A few more for who, what, where, when...?


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DCN

[Doug Nye]

And here are some more...


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Enjoy...

DCN
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["Shangry-La"]

Thanks, Doug.

5 Giuseppe Farina - Maserati 4CLT - Goodwood - May 1951

6 George Nixon - Riley - Douglas IoM - 1948

7 Duncan Hamilton - ERA R5B - Goodwood - Easter 1951

8 Johnny Cleas - Talbot Lago T26C-DA - Goodwood - Easter 1951, with John Green - ERA R2A in background

Edited by "Shangry-La", 15 May 2011 - 21:56.

[r.atlos]

#1 is Toni Ulmen with his Veritas "Grand Mother", German GP 1952.

[r.atlos]

... and if I am not totally mistaken, I would say that congratulations come from Hans-Christoph Seebohm, Minister of Transport.

[uechtel]

#1 One for me of course, Toni Ulmen, Veritas Spezial, 2l sports car race, German GP August 1952. Nice photo!

And some very interesting specials, I always like to see this kind of machines even if I have only limited knowledge. Could #12 be a Steyr V8 engine?

[ensign14]

Is number 3 Chiron at Monaco 1955? With Bayol in the background? Practice, obviously, they're using odd numbers. Probably the first session as I've seen pics of Chiron and Ascari with the same stencil style but with their race numbers instead, which I assume must have been a later session.

[uechtel]

oh, just beat me...

[Allan Lupton]

No 12 seems to be Sidney Allard in his Steyr-engined Allard hillclimb car.

[RStock]

Is number 3 Chiron at Monaco 1955? With Bayol in the background? Practice, obviously, they're using odd numbers. Probably the first session as I've seen pics of Chiron and Ascari with the same stencil style but with their race numbers instead, which I assume must have been a later session.

I believe Bayol was in a Gordini and that looks like a Maser 250F to me. Louis Rosier perhaps.

[rudi]

I believe Bayol was in a Gordini and that looks like a Maser 250F to me. Louis Rosier perhaps.

2 and 3 show Andre Simon, 1955 Monaco GP practice, before his switch to Mercedes Benz.

[rudi]

15. Phil Hill Solitude GP 1964.

[Roger Clark]

15. Phil Hill Solitude GP 1964.

63 isn't it? This is the Filipinetti car that the unfortunate Hill drove occasionally that year. It must have made him wish for the ATS. BRM engine.

[Paul Parker]

No.4 I think is Austen Nurse at Crystal Palace in 1953 and no.9 looks to me like Wing Cdr Frank Aitken who built his own 500 car.

The Ferrari entering the Goodwood paddock is I believe Reg Parnell's ex-Bobby Baird 500 'Starlet' chassis 188 that he had re-engined with a 625 motor for 1954 and with which he enjoyed several race wins in period. However this does not look like Reg (to me) so without checking race numbers against records I would not like to stick my neck out!

[Roger Clark]

Is number 10 Bobby Baird in his Ferrari at Goodwood? Easter 1953?

[Paul Parker]

Is number 10 Bobby Baird in his Ferrari at Goodwood? Easter 1953?

After I sent my post on the Ferrari I thought just this, but I was too focused on Parnell. I'm sure you are right as he raced this car with number 21 in the 1953 Lavant Cup and you can see the 1 on the nose.

[rudi]

63 isn't it? This is the Filipinetti car that the unfortunate Hill drove occasionally that year. It must have made him wish for the ATS. BRM engine.

Yes, 1963.

[Dutchy]

No.6 has been identified as George Nixon's Riley but I believe it is more correctly the Brooke Special.

No.9 is not Bacon's FHB. It looks is very Kieft like on first impression but I think it might be a Martin

No.11 is Rupert Instone's Djinn

No.12 is indeed the Steyr Allard but I wonder if it is Sidney Allard driving it as I thought it was always unpainted in his ownership.

No.14 intrigues me - clearly Frazer Nash or GN based. Could it be the Attenborough Special?

No.16 I think might be Clegg's Dorcas

Edited by Dutchy, 16 May 2011 - 14:02.

[Geoff E]

No.16 I think might be Clegg's Dorcas

Dorcas was front-wheel drive (and the name was Glegg) http://www.bsafwdc.co.uk/page94.php

[Allan Lupton]

No.12 is indeed the Steyr Allard but I wonder if it is Sidney Allard driving it as I thought it was always unpainted in his ownership.

Could be Chris Tooley now I come to look a bit closer, as although the crash hat and vizor are right for Sydney, I can't see the glasses.

No.16 I think might be Clegg's Dorcas

As Geoff says Glegg not Clegg.
I think of Dorcas as four-wheel-drive but a quick shufti at Bolster tells me she started as front-drive. Either way she had a Beesa f.w.d. gearbox which no 16 has not got.

[Ted Walker]

I would say 16 is Chris Summers in the Farley at Shelsley Walsh.

[john medley]

1.I agree: Ulmen
4. Macklin HWM?
5.Not Farina?
6. Brooke-Riley Isle of Man
8. Claes
9. #41 Kieft?
11. Instone's Djinn
12. Steyr engine
14. Peter Vaughan ex Fane etc Frazer Nash?
16. Neither Dorcas nor Farley

[Eric Dunsdon]

1.I agree: Ulmen
4. Macklin HWM?
5.Not Farina?
6. Brooke-Riley Isle of Man
8. Claes
9. #41 Kieft?
11. Instone's Djinn
12. Steyr engine
14. Peter Vaughan ex Fane etc Frazer Nash?
16. Neither Dorcas nor Farley

I think that number 4 is Ted Whiteaway' HWM at Crystal Palace. Dont think that number 5 is either Farina or Goodwood. More like Monza, but who?.

[Eric Dunsdon]

I think that number 4 is Ted Whiteaway' HWM at Crystal Palace. Dont think that number 5 is either Farina or Goodwood. More like Monza, but who?.

And number 7 looks like Tony Rolt in ERA. How about John Brown's Martin-Norton for number 9. Number 10 is Bobby Baird

[Doug Nye]

No attempts at 12A then?

DCN

[David McKinney]

No, and as I'm sure I've never seen pictures of it before, I presume it wasn't a regular class winner

[2F-001]

Strangely, I was convinced that I had seen it before - but the book I thought it was in reveals nothing; so I'm putting this down to deja vu (in the true sense of the term - that the first time was imagined). Sorry - that was a wholly pointless post!

[scheivlak]

No attempts at 12A then?

DCN

I can only say that the picture reminded me of all the Meccano years of my youth

[scags]

No attempts at 12A then?

DCN

Looks like one of Adrian Newey 's early attempts.

[David McKinney]

The Iota-based Milli-Union (1947) looked very similar, but the driver sat much higher

The same comment applies to the White-Lloyd (1948)

[Ted Walker]

Doug. Put us out of our misery, what are 12A and 16 ????????

[Doug Nye]

OK - well 12A is...nnn...gglg....aaah..ooo

[Dutchy]

Looking at 14 again I would agree that it is the ex Fane single seater Frazer Nash

[Bauble]

And number 7 looks like Tony Rolt in ERA. How about John Brown's Martin-Norton for number 9. Number 10 is Bobby Baird

A bit risky disagreeing with Eric, but I don't THINK Tony Rolt ever drove an ERA at Goodood, He drove the Alfa Aiken and ERA Delage, but ERA ....??

Edited by Bauble, 18 May 2011 - 13:08.

[Eric Dunsdon]

[quote name='Bauble' date='May 18 2011, 14:07' post='5024381']
A bit risky disagreeing with Eric, but I don't THINK Tony Rolt ever drove an ERA at Goodood, He drove the Alfa Aiken and ERA Delage, but ERA ....??
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Probably right.I didnt think so either, just thought that it looks like Tony Rolt.

Edited by Eric Dunsdon, 18 May 2011 - 16:24.

[Bauble]

I agree, Tony was my first impression, but no record of ERA/Goodwood.

I reckon that no 9 could be the JBS that Ray Martin modified for Les Leston, it looks like a JBS and the swing rear axle would fit. The driver looks like Jim Russell but I doubt it is him George Wicken????

The Maserati at Monaco must be Bira in 1955, alongside Castellotti.

The Maserati leaving the pits? Might it be Tulo? (Baron)

The 250F driving down the Boulevard looks unpainted, but carries a racing number, I cannot recall a Maser racing without paint, might it be the Moss car in light green??

16a Well there were so many weird and wonderful specials back in the fifities it is hard to recall them all, but from the high bonnet line it must have a very tall engine.

Well 'at's wat i finks.

[larryd]

No attempts at 12A then?

DCN

Wingco Frank Aikens in his Mk 2 500 ?

[David McKinney]

I reckon that no 9 could be the JBS that Ray Martin modified for Les Leston, it looks like a JBS and the swing rear axle would fit. The driver looks like Jim Russell but I doubt it is him George Wicken????

I suspect a one-off - agree it looks like Russell. Perhaps he's trying the Leston Special?

The Maserati at Monaco must be Bira in 1955, alongside Castellotti

Might have been, if Bira had ever driven a 250F at Monaco. I suspect whoever said André Simon is right

The 250F driving down the Boulevard looks unpainted, but carries a racing number, I cannot recall a Maser racing without paint, might it be the Moss car in light green??

Only the nose looks unpainted - and could have been coloured in by race-day

[Bauble]

Monaco 1955. Yes David not Bira, I was getting my research mixed up. It is not Rosier, Perdisa, Behra, Musso, so either Simon or Macklin in practice.

Unpainted 250F! My knowledge of continental towns is not that great, so impossible to identify the venue, Monaco, Sables d'Ollone (?), Bari, Ezy-sur-Mer, etc......
Still looks all paintless to me. Driver could be Moss.

My comment about 16 should have applied to 12a

Edited by Bauble, 19 May 2011 - 06:57.

[Eric Dunsdon]

I suspect a one-off - agree it looks like Russell. Perhaps he's trying the Leston Special?





Only the nose looks unpainted - and could have been coloured in by race-day

1/ It still looks like John Brown to me, and he was a Martin driver.

2/ My first reaction was that it was Lance Mackln in the Moss Maserati.

[Dutchy]

I reckon that no 9 could be the JBS that Ray Martin modified for Les Leston, it looks like a JBS and the swing rear axle would fit. The driver looks like Jim Russell but I doubt it is him George Wicken????

Well 'at's wat i finks.

Definitely not the Leston Special; see http://www.500race.o...2rOv4CN6YyBD/M=

[Dutchy]

Wingco Frank Aikens in his Mk 2 500 ?

AFAIK Aikens only built the one special before graduating to an Iota then a JBS. He remained loyal to Triumph power though.

[Odseybod]

Re No. 16. We have a pic of something like this in our own archive, though in an earlier, less sophisticated form (?) - scratchy writing on the back of the print says (I think) G. Hanalington 500. Proud owner standing next to it in a grassy paddock seems to have the same sartorial style as the one at the helm in 16, too. Wonder if that helps?

[Bauble]

Definitely not the Leston Special; see http://www.500race.o...2rOv4CN6YyBD/M=

I agree it's not the 'Leston Special', but while we all grope in the dark, I wonder if it is not an early itteration of the car? Looks somewhat like a JBS and has swing axle, but front end not Les Sp spec. If it is an early version who the heck is driving it?

Trouble is there were so many 'one-off's' and specials in the early 500 days.

It was the 500 web site that I used to check-on before I posted my 'wonderings'.

I am suprised that we have not had some pundit from that Organisation telling all.

bauble

PS: What really get's my goat is knowing that while we all make complete ass's of ourselves DCN sits smugly at home gloating over our efforts!!

[David McKinney]

He's either posted the pictures to test us, or because he doesn't know the answers

[Doug Nye]

Dave - you know me too well...

DCN

[Eric Dunsdon]

He's either posted the pictures to test us, or because he doesn't know the answers

A clever way of getting your snaps identified, and at least it wasnt an 'answers on the back of a five pound note' job!.

[Doug Nye]

Part right - some of them really puzzle me still, others I have posted because I know perzactly who, what, when, and I thought they were sufficiently interesting to share.

DCN

[Barry Boor]

The Lancia numbers at Monaco 1955 have always fascinated me. (Picture #3)

For a start, why did they stencil them? More to the point, #27 ? They only used even numbers in the 1950s.

[Alan Cox]

And here are some more...

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Further to Ted Walker's identification of this vehicle as the Farley Special, driven by Chris Summers, Ted has asked me to post this photo of the car in a slightly later stage of development with some vestigial bodywork, taken at Shelsley Walsh sometime in the 'fifties. Close inspection of the rear suspension, and engine layout would appear to bear this out.