34 replies to this topic

[Atreiu]

I thought the race was over if it was red flagged after 75% of it was completed.
I also thought no tyre changes were allowed, just as part swapping, such as fitting new wings.

I was wrong and surprised at both, and I guess I'm not the only one.

Can the rulebook worms clarify this for all of us? It would also help keep the other threads neat.

[tarmac]

FIA does not know what they are doing

[Sevach]

I thought the race was over if it was red flagged after 75% of it was completed.
I also thought no tyre changes were allowed, just as part swapping, such as fitting new wings.

I was wrong and surprised at both, and I guess I'm not the only one.

Can the rulebook worms clarify this for all of us? It would also help keep the other threads neat.

I didn't understand any of it either...

I thought it was parc ferme rules.

[Don_Humpador]

The fact that they could change tyres completely killed this race.

[Atreiu]

Say that again...

[Kimiraikkonen]

... No comment... Vettel is wdc in 2011 sure
FIA = UEFA Why stole my dreams?

[ClubmanGT]

The fact that they could change tyres completely killed this race.

If you're going to let people change tyres, at least make them use the same compound. What a joke.

[puxanando]

The fact that they could change tyres completely killed this race.

How are the rules with this??

[jee]

I thought the race was over if it was red flagged after 75% of it was completed.

Full points are awarded if 75% of the race distance are completed and the race cannot be restarted.

This does not mean that the race will not be restartet after 75% though.

[HAM]

They can then better waved the finish flag if they are allowed new tyres. The only exception should be tyres exchange in rain, this sucks so much. Vettel win give away! Thanks FIA again for destroying a race.

[blackonyx4]

There`s nothing strange with red flag.

They are allowed to dismantle whole cars and put any new parts they want.
They are allowed to put new tyres on.

Lapped cars are still there among front runners although you got completely new race.


There`s nothing illogical about that. That`s FIA.

[D A]

I guess the two hour limit doesn't apply anymore?

[F1ultimate]

The fact that they could change tyres completely killed this race.

Yeah. They might as well have ended the race themselves.

[Jazza]

I guess the two hour limit doesn't apply anymore?

Only under green and yellow. Clock stops under red.

[KnucklesAgain]

I didn't understand any of it either...

I thought it was parc ferme rules.

34.1 Each car will be deemed to be in parc ferme from the time at which it leaves the pit lane for the first time during qualifying practice until the start of the race.

[Bleu]

Well, this time we were not in the middle of the pit stop window. If the race was stopped at the point where SC was for Massa's accident couple of laps after SC was deployed (I don't say there was anything that the race should have been stopped, but just an example) it would have been very unfair towards the ones who reacted to the safety car by pitting.

I think right rule should be: tyre changing (and other repairs) allowed, but everyone who does so will go to the back of the pack. With the exception being made if the tyre change is related to weather conditions - slicks may be swapped for wets.

[Dunder]

Everything today was in line with the rules as stated.

Changes can be made on the grid (whether that is fair is a different matter).

Likewise the 75% rule only refers to when full points are awarded. Race Control decide whether the race can be restarted depending on the conditions whether 10% of the race has passed or if there is only one lap to go.

[Atreiu]

The way it was today, they basically had a 68 lap qualifying session and then ran a 7 lap race.

[sadler]

You have to allow tyre changes because you may need to swap from dry tyres to wet tyres (or vise versa) in the event of extreme weather causing a red flag. Maybe they need to add a clause about stopping changes to dry tyres.

Also just because you have done 75% it means the race is over. In previous cases their have been reasons like Malaysia 2009 (daylight) or Brazil 2003 (Track damage) why they couldnt re start

[Absulute]

FIA does not know what they are doing

Very true. Time for a breakaway series.

[Touti]

Only under green and yellow. Clock stops under red.

Actually, technically speaking it doesn't.

Sporting Regulation.

41.4 Whilst the race is suspended :
- neither the race nor the timekeeping system will stop, however, in accordance with Article 5.3 the
length of the race suspension will be added to the maximum two hour period ;

[D.M.N.]

... No comment... Vettel is wdc in 2011 sure
FIA = UEFA Why stole my dreams?

How exactly? Even if the race didn't restart, the result would have been the same. Strange comment.

[Kimiraikkonen]

Only under green and yellow. Clock stops under red.

i didn´t know this after 20 years in f1

[sadler]

I guess the two hour limit doesn't apply anymore?

Any suspension period is added to the 2 hour limit. So basically its 2 hours of 'racing' even though the actual timekeeping doesn't stop hence the race winners time being 2 hours and 6 minutes..

[Otaku]

There`s nothing illogical about that. That`s FIA.

There's a serious contradiction in that statement

[D.M.N.]

Definitely agree with Webber:

AussieGrit
Did 2 F1 races on Sunday,1 long one 1 short one. In the short race you can change wings,tyres,engine,oops where's the 1000 page rulebook?!
34 minutes ago via web

Needs to be clarified, and hopefully the policy of changing tyres is stopped. The only exception I would give is if a tyre is clearly (and can be proven to be) punctured or something.

[scheivlak]

FIA does not know what they are doing

FIA knows its rulebook and acts according to it.

[sharo]

FIA knows its rulebook and acts according to it.

Exactly. And it is covered under "race suspension" part of the rules.

[baddog]

The rule ALLOWS race control to declare the race over after that percentage, not requires it.

[alecc]

A see now pretty much room for "doing a PiquetJr.-Briatore strategy move"

[kismet]

Not sure I understand why it's seemingly OK that the entire rest of the car undergoes thorough repairs, changes and what not but "OMFG!!1i!1 Tyre changes are teh evil!"

[ForeverF1]

Not sure I understand why it's seemingly OK that the entire rest of the car undergoes thorough repairs, changes and what not but "OMFG!!1i!1 Tyre changes are teh evil!"

Pirelli pitch in with answers to that.

[puxanando]

I think tyre change under red flag only should be allowed, when clima is changing under the red flag, because noone can require to drive with intermidiates/softs in rain or reverse. But what tey did yesterday falsified the result of the race.

[DarthWillie]

What surprised me was the start behind the SC, I thought they would do a standing start.

[Ali_G]

Just be happy that the aggregate time races of old are gone. That was truly a mess.