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[tonyed]

Thought I'd trawl through the knuckle draggers on F1 Crash to see what the low life were up to.

Watched the F1 from Monaco today as I waited for the sporting highlight of the afternoon - Peterborough versus Huddersfield for the right to play the like of Crystal Place next year.

I was shocked to see that Lewis Hamilton has played the ‘race card’.

‘It’s because I’m black’ he moans.

Perhaps it’s because you can’t overtake, or can’t see that there is no overtaking opportunity.

His statement has to be a new low in an already discredited ‘sport (industry)’

I posted (what an idiot me for doing this) that playing the race card is as low as racialism itself when not justified.

The reaction was like supporting interace education in Mississippi in the 60s.

Good riddance Bernie Ecclestone and his troop of performing (now steady on boy)

[Hamish Robson]

Lewis' comment was meant to be a comedy reference to a Sasha Baron Cohen character who was a white guy who acted like a black guy (I'm not being racist here, this was the whole joke) and one of whose catch-phrases was "is it cos I is black?" when being blamed for something.

Unfortunately, unless the viewer knew this, it appeared that Lewis was playing the race card, and I think it has really backfired on him.

Edited by Hamish Robson, 30 May 2011 - 07:40.

[Xover]

Lewis' comment was meant to be a comedy reference to a Sasha Baron Cohen character who was a white guy who acted like a black guy (I'm not being racist here, this was the whole joke) and one of whose catch-phrases was "is it cos I is black?" when being blamed for something.

Unfortunately, unless the viewer knew this, it appeared that Lewis was playing the race card, and I think it has really backfired on him.

Yes I think Lewis will take a lot of stick for being misunderstood there. I can see his frustration at trying to push a couple of overtaking manoeuvres in a sport that is largely devoid of them and at a circuit that makes overtaking almost an impossibility, and then being penalised for doing so. Same thing happened earlier in the race with Di Resta. And don't get me started on Sebastian Vettel's luck. He could fall into a septic tank and come out smelling like Christian Dior

[fil2.8]

And don't get me started on Sebastian Vettel's luck. He could fall into a septic tank and come out smelling like Christian Dior

[Arthur]

That event is a joke I wo'nt insult you by calling it a race. The circuit is totally unsuitable and formula1 has now become a joke as unless you can overtake in a strait line you will trigger a stewards enquiry.Racing is not allowed the drivers should know that. The whole thing is designed for rasmatas and to make people rich.

[joeninety]

That event is a joke I wo'nt insult you by calling it a race. The circuit is totally unsuitable and formula1 has now become a joke as unless you can overtake in a strait line you will trigger a stewards enquiry.Racing is not allowed the drivers should know that. The whole thing is designed for rasmatas and to make people rich.

"Rich" as in monetary gain but poor in sportsmanship terms, it's been an exceptionally good year to press for the press regarding bickering, fall outs, inappropriate overtaking manoeuvres, bad behaviour "sportsmen" having a pop at each other, the organisers etc. Alas we have to rely on what the media spoon feeds us to fuel the artificial hysteria they apply to rubbish sports, cage fighting and such like. I believe the sporting element still prevails amongst the ranks regarding riders, drivers to higher degree than we are led to believe. Look at the hype surrounding Sheene and Roberts for instance. Watch it, make your own judgements and decide.;)

STOP PRESS......Vidal Sassoon to curb Simonchelli's hairyness ! Apparently Harold Daniel declined a Specsavers offer ! Perhaps he could see where it was all going

Edited by joeninety, 30 May 2011 - 19:50.

[tonyed]

"Rich" as in monetary gain but poor in sportsmanship terms, it's been an exceptionally good year to press for the press regarding bickering, fall outs, inappropriate overtaking manoeuvres, bad behaviour "sportsmen" having a pop at each other, the organisers etc. Alas we have to rely on what the media spoon feeds us to fuel the artificial hysteria they apply to rubbish sports, cage fighting and such like. I believe the sporting element still prevails amongst the ranks regarding riders, drivers to higher degree than we are led to believe. Look at the hype surrounding Sheene and Roberts for instance. Watch it, make your own judgements and decide.;)

STOP PRESS......Vidal Sassoon to curb Simonchelli's hairyness ! Apparently Harold Daniel declined a Specsavers offer ! Perhaps he could see where it was all going ;)

Simoncelli summond before 'race' control for racing.

Just because Dornas lovechild fell off through his own mistake.

Is Ponderosa ex-Eton

[Robin127]

....Just because Dornas lovechild fell off through his own mistake.....

I think I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.

http://www.youtube.c...wGkfyY0#t=2m50s

At about the 2:50 mark you get a good view of where contact was made

[picblanc]

Its racing! these things happen whats next only allowed to pass on the straights (suit Honda that will) Pedrosa took out Nicky Hayden in his Championship year & nothing was said or happened, Rossi takes out Stoner in & over opptomistic move in the damp & nothing is said or happens, got this young guy who is a racer stirring up the "old guys" by wanting to race them, tut tut what ever next!!

[Robin127]

Its racing! these things happen whats next only allowed to pass on the straights (suit Honda that will) Pedrosa took out Nicky Hayden in his Championship year & nothing was said or happened, Rossi takes out Stoner in & over opptomistic move in the damp & nothing is said or happens, got this young guy who is a racer stirring up the "old guys" by wanting to race them, tut tut what ever next!!

Yes it's racing and these things happen, but I don't think Pedrosa made a mistake.

As for Pedrosa taking out Hayden in his championship year, there is still much hysteria in the States over that.

[picblanc]

I'm sure there is Robin, but Danni boy didn't even get slapped wrists for doing it, that's my point, if Simmoncelli had taken off Karel Abrahms nothing would have happened I feel sure.

Edited by picblanc, 31 May 2011 - 18:20.

[tonyed]

I think I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.

http://www.youtube.c...wGkfyY0#t=2m50s

At about the 2:50 mark you get a good view of where contact was made

If that wasn't a mistake, then I'm Noah!

How did Ponderosa think he was going to get through on a racing line positioned on the track where he was?

He is not normally a 'leg trailer' but his left foot is in 'tight sphincter' mode.

The inevitable result was that he hit Simoncelli.

Also said in another post the 'Establishment' don't like the new guys coming in for their cake.

What that series needs is a good clearout of the geriatrics and some new blood kicking the arses of those that have got 'fat and happy' with the status quo.

What's more the suits kow tow' far too much to the pressures that obviously exist in a big money business. Repsol have invested far too much in Ponderosa for him to finish up without a championship that we all know he'll never win.

In the days of the 500s hard moves were dealt out and accepted as part of racing. Now we have the 'stars ' too 'prejuice to push'.

Time for them to retire to the Playstation.

Edited by tonyed, 01 June 2011 - 06:39.

[larryd]

What's more the suits kow tow' far too much to the pressures that obviously exist in a big money business. Repsol have invested far too much in Ponderosa for him to finish up without a championship that we all know he'll never win.

It ain't sport any more, Tony, and hasn't been for a lot of years now, even in our little road-racing Province of Ulster.

It's big money business, as you say, and it's Show Business - important word here is "Business".

When I raced in the 70s/80s it was fun, as I suspect with you. . . . . .

The only sport and fun left nowadays is with the Classics and the barrowboys.

[fil2.8]

What's more the suits kow tow' far too much to the pressures that obviously exist in a big money business. Repsol have invested far too much in Ponderosa for him to finish up without a championship that we all know he'll never win.

It ain't sport any more, Tony, and hasn't been for a lot of years now, even in our little road-racing Province of Ulster.

It's big money business, as you say, and it's Show Business - important word here is "Business".

When I raced in the 70s/80s it was fun, as I suspect with you. . . . . .

The only sport and fun left nowadays is with the Classics and the barrowboys.

Sadly , how true , well said , Larry

[tonyed]

What's more the suits kow tow' far too much to the pressures that obviously exist in a big money business. Repsol have invested far too much in Ponderosa for him to finish up without a championship that we all know he'll never win.

It ain't sport any more, Tony, and hasn't been for a lot of years now, even in our little road-racing Province of Ulster.

It's big money business, as you say, and it's Show Business - important word here is "Business".

When I raced in the 70s/80s it was fun, as I suspect with you. . . . . .

The only sport and fun left nowadays is with the Classics and the barrowboys.

Fun! FUN!

No way, I did it to become rich and famous and pull glamorous women with the offer of a weekend at Darley Moor in the back of a Transit van at Easter.

Somehow three things evaded me during that period.

Money
Fame
Glamorous women

But, yes I had fun, bankrupting myself, breaking bones, living like a rough Nomad (Nomad is an abreviation of two words - NOthing and MAD)

But as hideous misfortune had it I eventually married a glamorous woman, who had no interest in motorcycles, fame or Darley Moor but can spend money.

What I like about Simoncelli is this guys tries. The way he used to hustle the 250 Gilera he does on the MotoGP Honda.

If the grid consisted of 10 Simoncellis and 10 Rossis then it might be described as sport as I believe both these would still race if the rewards were less than they are now.

Last time I was in Spain I nearly ran out of petrol bacause I refused to stop at a Repsol garage when the tank showed empty. I would have preffered to run out of pertol and let the wife and grandkids push me to the next non-Repsol station.

Edited by tonyed, 01 June 2011 - 14:40.

[Dusty]

[b]It ain't sport any more, Tony, and hasn't been for a lot of years now, even in our little road-racing Province of Ulster.

Ah, I remember going with mates who were racing at Kirkistown with nothing more than a bottle of Vodka / Malibu mixed and a tin of beans. In their first race my mates were lined up with Joey, Meryvn and co and were dutifully blown into next week, and getting their jetting right was apparently more important than enjoying a can of guinness in the afternoon sun.

Edited by Dusty, 01 June 2011 - 15:05.

[tonyed]

'Ah, I remember going with mates who were racing at Kirkistown with nothing more than a bottle of Vodka / Malibu mixed and a tin of beans'.

So that was breakfast catered for what did corporate hospitality serve for Lunch?

Pasta ala Tequila Slammer

Edited by tonyed, 01 June 2011 - 16:25.

[Robin127]

If that wasn't a mistake, then I'm Noah!.....

Better start building that boat then

Edited by Robin127, 01 June 2011 - 16:47.

[tonyed]

Better start building that boat then

Two by Two as Noah said, but unfortunatley one fell by the wayside

[joeninety]

Seems boat building is fashionable amongst anti establishment types this term Still think Pedrosa was as much to blame as coiffeur's dream Hairyboy

Edited by joeninety, 01 June 2011 - 18:40.

[picblanc]

watching it a few times on the line Danni boy was on he would of gone wide & off the track, Simmo was on the correct line, mind you my racing has all been done from my armchair so I could be wrong!!?

[tonyed]

Seems boat building is fashionable amongst anti establishment types this term Still think Pedrosa was as much to blame as coiffeur's dream Hairyboy

'Coiffeur's dream Hairyboy'

Unfamiliar with the turn of phrase -bibical?

Hair today gone tomorrow

Perhaps poor old Pedantic should stick to the Nicky Clarkes 'Bouffants Are Us’

Never mind he can’t be assaulted by ANY ‘fellow competitor’ at Catalunia as he’s nursing YET another bad hair day.

Edited by tonyed, 01 June 2011 - 19:14.

[joeninety]

Was it Emerson Fittipaldi who said, " You can add safety to fire, but not fire to safety "
(Quote "On reflection, I have realised where I have gone wrong and in the future I will try at certain times to evaluate the situation better and be a little more cautious," said Simoncelli. unquote )

Edited by joeninety, 01 June 2011 - 20:25.

[terryshep]

Was it Emerson Fittipaldi who said, " You can add safety to fire, but not fire to safety "
(Quote "On reflection, I have realised where I have gone wrong and in the future I will try at certain times to evaluate the situation better and be a little more cautious," said Simoncelli. unquote )

What's that word 'cautious' doing here? Of course he doesn't mean it, thank goodness.

Clearly, Dani was running out of road, he's no good at stopping these big bikes anyway, but he was well aware of SimonC looming and tried to outbrake him. In fact, he torpedoed Simmo, hit his rear wheel. If it had been Simmo's fault, he'd have wiped Dani's front wheel away. If he hadn't been there, Dani would have run wide at best, at worst he'd have ended up in the rubbish and who knows, broken his collarbone.....

That's not to say I don't feel sorry for him, I do, I wish him well, but SimonC should not have been deprived of his second place. Still, I've no doubt he'll get there, Dovi should be looking over his shoulder.

[tonyed]

Still, I've no doubt he'll get there, Dovi should be looking over his shoulder.
[/quote]

Stiffneck coming for Dovi.

I am in total agreement.

In a tight struggle for supremacy the whole joust comes down to pressurising your foe into an error. If it leads to him bouncing head over arse into what ever lines the strip of tarmac then tough titty. After all that is what he would try to achieve on your behalf.

Visit him in the hospital and commiserate.

It is a hard sport, there are plenty of knitting patterns out there if Ponderosa wants to chance his arm at a nice Fare Isle.

[joeninety]

I don't subscribe to the knock Pedrosa, Honda club by the way. I remember Mick Grant's early international level years including knocking Ago off the MV. Not good on your CV when trying to make a name for yourself. Listen to Redman on Ago's early years "an accident looking for somewhere to happen". I had a reputation for wildness from a few riders early on (behind my back I hasten to add) nothing was going to curb it the only cure was the experience to go as fast or faster but a "little" safer, well for other riders at least !
I would love to hear of any instances from other riders of similar encounters
It used to be called having "Spirit" I believe !

Edited by joeninety, 02 June 2011 - 18:52.

[tonyed]

I don't subscribe to the knock Pedrosa, Honda club by the way. I remember Mick Grant's early international level years including knocking Ago off the MV. Not good on your CV when trying to make a name for yourself. Listen to Redman on Ago's early years "an accident looking for somewhere to happen". I had a reputation for wildness from a few riders early on (behind my back I hasten to add) nothing was going to curb it the only cure was the experience to go as fast or faster but a "little" safer, well for other riders at least !
I would love to hear of any instances from other riders of similar encounters
It used to be called having "Spirit" I believe !

Come on Senor Ninety.

Honda have set themselves up as Mr Big of motorcycle racing for past ‘big donkey years’.

They have dictated the path of the sport (business).

They and Repsol had it ‘easy’ in the 90s with Doohan and then into the noughties with Rossi (before he woke up to their dictatorship).

Since then they have again tried to buy the crown. They struck lucky with Hayden, but since then drought.

Dani was a good 125/250 rider but the MotoGP crown is beyond him. If they had any sense and wanted to win again (might do with the Antipodean) they’d plough everything into Simoncelli instead of chasing rainbows.

Perhaps Dani could go back to Moto3 next year, this should not cause the shoulder too much problem unless of course he has to clear the grass box.

Bruce Anstey is declaring his love for the new carbon Arai, same material as the new (grounded) 787 Boeing (whoops)


PS - similar incidences.

Any first lap going up into Druids at Brands - Effin anarcy.

[fil2.8]

Perhaps Dani could go back to Moto3 next year, this should not cause the shoulder too much problem unless of course he has to clear the grass box.

Quite

[joeninety]

Why do manufactures go racing, yes it could and does help development but surely the motive is to sell their products. Norton, BSA the list is endless. I can't believe the negative bias towards sponsors such as Repsol. That said in Majorca circa 1970's I was gasping for a fag and a drink but they only had Ducados and Peroni at the time Angel (Ankel) Nieto was sponsored by them and never forgave him for robbing Sheene of a 125cc title, still bought em' needs must !

Le saluda atentamente

[jonnoj]

Why do manufactures go racing, yes it could and does help development but surely the motive is to sell their products. Norton, BSA the list is endless. I can't believe the negative bias towards sponsors such as Repsol. That said in Majorca circa 1970's I was gasping for a fag and a drink but they only had Ducados and Peroni at the time Angel (Ankel) Nieto was sponsored by them and never forgave him for robbing Sheene of a 125cc title, still bought em' needs must !

Le saluda atentamente

I've never connected 'improving the bikes' with either Norton or BSA. Conning people into buying 30 years out of date designs would be closer to the mark. My brother got caught up in the race publicity and bought a new 750 Bonneville twin. He thought it was the dogs bollocks for a couple of years, until he rode a Suzuki 4 for half a mile. The poor starting, oil leaking, oil burning, shaking, arse & arm aching, poor handling Triumph was gone within a week.

[terryshep]

Still, I've no doubt he'll get there, Dovi should be looking over his shoulder.


Stiffneck coming for Dovi.

I am in total agreement.

In a tight struggle for supremacy the whole joust comes down to pressurising your foe into an error. If it leads to him bouncing head over arse into what ever lines the strip of tarmac then tough titty. After all that is what he would try to achieve on your behalf.

Visit him in the hospital and commiserate.

It is a hard sport, there are plenty of knitting patterns out there if Ponderosa wants to chance his arm at a nice Fare Isle.

No, don't knock Dan like that, Tony, he is a very good and clever rider normally, with lots of bottle. I forgive him a lot for the way he ran away from everybody at the Sachsenring a couple of years ago in the pouring rain. Simoncelli coming at him on a satellite bike when he's on the full-house works bike, complete with seamless shift, just rattled him into a mistake. How he proposed to get round the corner on that line, even if he'd managed to stop it, I don't know.

What worries me most, though, is that the atmosphere in the paddock these days is such that we can hear actual Grand Prix riders - racers - whingeing about someone's hard riding. The truth is that if someone manages to pull a hard move on you, it means you've left him the room to do it. So, learn from it and do the same to him ASAP.

[tonyed]

No, don't knock Dan like that, Tony, he is a very good and clever rider normally, with lots of bottle. I forgive him a lot for the way he ran away from everybody at the Sachsenring a couple of years ago in the pouring rain. Simoncelli coming at him on a satellite bike when he's on the full-house works bike, complete with seamless shift, just rattled him into a mistake. How he proposed to get round the corner on that line, even if he'd managed to stop it, I don't know.

What worries me most, though, is that the atmosphere in the paddock these days is such that we can hear actual Grand Prix riders - racers - whingeing about someone's hard riding. The truth is that if someone manages to pull a hard move on you, it means you've left him the room to do it. So, learn from it and do the same to him ASAP.

Dani.

Oh dear.

Lighting the fire on one night during the winter won't keep you warm until spring.

Not even the Spanish MotoGP mafia can win the title for him.

Agreed, leave a space and it's like a rat up a drainpipe.

See the new Moto3 Honda -now this reminds me of something - ah yes, now I have it a RS125 with a 250 fourstroke motor.

On Eurosport Jules and the idiot Toby were creaming their knickers.

Loads to look forwrd too

Progress

[joeninety]

"The list is endless" not just BSA or Norton most manufactures have gone racing at some time or another"

I've never connected 'improving the bikes' with either Norton or BSA. Conning people into buying 30 years out of date designs would be closer to the mark. My brother got caught up in the race publicity and bought a new 750 Bonneville twin. He thought it was the dogs bollocks for a couple of years, until he rode a Suzuki 4 for half a mile. The poor starting, oil leaking, oil burning, shaking, arse & arm aching, poor handling Triumph was gone within a week.

[picblanc]

Just read that Edwards is out with a broken collarbone so down to 15 riders for GP as long as no more get injured before Sunday!

[tonyed]

Todays 125 race witnessed Grand prix racing dying of shame.

The 'race directions' descision to penalise the Frenchman Zarco the true winner 20 seconds because he beat a Spaniard makes FIFA look honest.

Day of absolute disgrace for a once proud sport.

RIP GP Racing

[rd500]

and again apparently they gave a dead heat 125 race to a spaniard, spain 2 france 0, cant be on purpose surely

[rd500]

and again apparently they gave a dead heat 125 race to a spaniard, spain 2 france 0, cant be on purpose surely

[Rennmax]

The decision was based upon the fact that the fastest lap was achieved by Faubel, so please no conspiracy theory unless the time keeping was manipulated by these 'malicious' Spaniards

[rd500]

that makes sense, i didnt know that, darn it i was looking for a good conspiracy aswell, ill just have to stick to as to why a british rider who finished 4th in the 500 world championship was relegated to a privateer 250 rider.

[tonyed]

The decision was based upon the fact that the fastest lap was achieved by Faubel, so please no conspiracy theory unless the time keeping was manipulated by these 'malicious' Spaniards

Dead Heat but did we see the evidence.

Looked like Zarco to me

Perhaps dead heats should be decided on alphabetic nationality - so Zarco wins, unless it is decided on alphabetic surnames in which case perhaps M. Z should consider retiring.

Edited by tonyed, 22 July 2011 - 11:17.

[rd500]

ive been copying a lot of my old videos onto dvd, i done the F2 race from the ulster 86 and im sure its yourself tony who breaks down in the background, looks like you have silverstone armstrong leathers on on a silver yamaha, would that be you or am i needing spectacles?

[tonyed]

ive been copying a lot of my old videos onto dvd, i done the F2 race from the ulster 86 and im sure its yourself tony who breaks down in the background, looks like you have silverstone armstrong leathers on on a silver yamaha, would that be you or am i needing spectacles?

You might not need specs at all but wrong 'Tonyed' not Tony Head

[rd500]

oops my mistake