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[carrotcruncher]

Gentlemen, I recently came across a mention of this rare machine on a more obscure forum recently.
From what Ican learn, this machine was developed 'up north' by a rather eccentric guy who previously had spent his time rebuilding Scott bikes, then had a desire to build his own two stroke machine which turned out to br so good that it was banned by the A.C.U.!
Ibelieve it was 653cc,twin cylinder and had a gearbox that operated 'upside down',that is to say to deress the gear pedal was to go up the box.Ther were many other innovations,but Iam interested to hear or see if any of our members knoe of this macine and possibly have some tales to tell.
I know that there are others who will know more than myself.
Look forward to your replies.

[tonyed]

Gentlemen, I recently came across a mention of this rare machine on a more obscure forum recently.
From what Ican learn, this machine was developed 'up north' by a rather eccentric guy who previously had spent his time rebuilding Scott bikes, then had a desire to build his own two stroke machine which turned out to br so good that it was banned by the A.C.U.!
Ibelieve it was 653cc,twin cylinder and had a gearbox that operated 'upside down',that is to say to deress the gear pedal was to go up the box.Ther were many other innovations,but Iam interested to hear or see if any of our members knoe of this macine and possibly have some tales to tell.
I know that there are others who will know more than myself.
Look forward to your replies.

Eyeup lad.

I am on the trail of such a machine.

I hope this interesting and intriguing journey does not finish at the doorstep of the fabled onestroke twin cylinder Shirtfinkle as I have journeyed there before and is was close to costing me my sanity, my fortune in Spanish doubloons, three cases of ‘Old Sassenachs’ vintage whiskey, my good standing within the parish, my season ticket to the local lap dancing club, my good name and four whippets.

I bid you, no implore you to forsake this venture before you become, as sadly I now am, completely besotted with pre 1914 Marie Lloyd waxed cylinders of her singing cover versions of Andrew Lloyd-Webber stage songs.

As my sainted mother was won’t to say

‘When the full moon rises beware the Betterware Salesman’

Enough is enough I say

I know who this is STOP, STOP, STOP your torment, let the devils retreat leave me alone, alone to wither and die – you bastard. Moan, Moan, Moan.

Edited by tonyed, 02 June 2011 - 17:22.

[fil2.8]

[picblanc]

Ah! what ever happened to the Shirtfinkle!?

[tonyed]

Ah! what ever happened to the Shirtfinkle!?

If only we knew

I have four of them but they are buried in unconscretated ground with a silver bullet through the left cylinder. (the right cylinder is benign)

[fil2.8]

If only we knew

I have four of them but they are buried in unconscretated ground with a silver bullet through the left cylinder. (the right cylinder is benign)

Well , strange as it me seem , I recently had an e-mail from ex-works rider Benght Dik , who has 2 of the infamous Schirtfinkle ( correct spelling ) 3-stroke machines , and he , with his back up crew , are keen on re-entering the fray ..........................so , watch this space for some exciting news , of this successful project

[rotrax]

Ah! what ever happened to the Shirtfinkle!?

Hi, THE SHIRTFINKLE BECAME OBSOLETE OVERNIGHT WHEN EDGAR JESSOPP FIRST DISPLAYED THE AWESOME POTENTIAL OF THE SPAGFORTH WHIPPET.

[picblanc]

Ah! the Spagforth Whippet! the memories! This is the best forum!!

[tonyed]

Well , strange as it me seem , I recently had an e-mail from ex-works rider Benght Dik , who has 2 of the infamous Schirtfinkle ( correct spelling ) 3-stroke machines , and he , with his back up crew , are keen on re-entering the fray ..........................so , watch this space for some exciting news , of this successful project

The fabled one and three stroke engines came about because the original drawings for the two and four stroke engines were accidentally copied in reverse in 2nd and 4th angle projections.

Take no notice of this unscrupulous Scandinavian claiming to be the legendry Benght Dik.

I know as fact that Benght forsook worldly pleasures and after gender realignment became an Armalite nun in a French convent high in the Pyrenees where is still resides shunning all contact with humanity.

Should this imposture phone you with requests for financial assistance in the re-entry of the works team be aware of the poorly disguised Nigerian accent. His modus operandi is to ship to your home address a large crate purporting to contain both ex-works Shirtfinkles to await his appearance to these shores. The instructions will be along the line of:

Open the breathing vents on the side of the crate so that fresh air can circulate around the fragile magnesium engine casings and loosen the lid bolts. Place crate adjacent to Junction 24 of the M60 overnight. (You may require the assistance of a low loader on the outward journey; however the crate will be much lighter on collection the next morning as the fresh air circulation will have evaporated the large heavy quantities of condensation).

So you have been warned care is paramount.

The first post in this thread could be a cunning smoke and mirrors attempt to make initial contact.

The misspelling of Shirtfinkle as Shirtfinkel is a sure way of identifying the imposter whoes real name is Schmit but spells his name Smith. An expert graphologist can detect his real surname from his signature alone.

[carrotcruncher]

Gentlemen,
are you all MAD or just having a jest at my post,O.K I admit there were a few misspellings,but, what the hell IS a SCHIRTFINKLE,and what do Carmelite nuns have to do with anything?

[Rennmax]

Never mind, it's just the result of inhaling too much 2 stroke fume ....

Edited by Rennmax, 03 June 2011 - 11:07.

[tonyed]

Gentlemen,
are you all MAD or just having a jest at my post,O.K I admit there were a few misspellings,but, what the hell IS a SCHIRTFINKLE,and what do Carmelite nuns have to do with anything?

Oh dear.

Perhaps a case of mistaken non-identity.

Mad, MAD - no one is mad on this site unless of course you are refering to those who reside in the 'sealed off' Bowes-Lyon west wing.

As my sainted Mother was wont (again) to say:

'When the moon is full, and the artichokes moan, it is a faint heart that forsakes a fair maidens hand when the whippets howl'.

I will withdraw to the smoking room with my trusty general issue revolver.

Edited by tonyed, 03 June 2011 - 14:42.

[GD66]

I'd say you won't be alone in there, Tony...

[tonyed]

Gentlemen, I recently came across a mention of this rare machine on a more obscure forum recently.
From what Ican learn, this machine was developed 'up north' by a rather eccentric guy who previously had spent his time rebuilding Scott bikes, then had a desire to build his own two stroke machine which turned out to br so good that it was banned by the A.C.U.!
Ibelieve it was 653cc,twin cylinder and had a gearbox that operated 'upside down',that is to say to deress the gear pedal was to go up the box.Ther were many other innovations,but Iam interested to hear or see if any of our members knoe of this macine and possibly have some tales to tell.
I know that there are others who will know more than myself.
Look forward to your replies.

My apologies for hijacking your thread with a load on inane babble.

There was the Silk 700 manufactured by George Silk a man well steeped in Scott history, but that is well documented.

There was a racing version which under the name of ‘Race Waye’ was campaigned by Neil Kelly in the 1976 Senior MGP finishing in 9th place (I rode in the same race on my Crescent).

I believe this was its’ only Manx outing. Whether this is any link to the machine you refer to I do not know.

However, although dulled by time (and writing idiotic drivel on web sites) I seem to remember some controversy concerning this machine.

The gear change option of down for up is a racing pattern and almost all gearboxes manufactured purely for racing use this pattern and to reverse the change motion to the common road up for up uses either an external gear change linkage or a modification to the selector mechanism.

Again my sincere apologies.

Edited by tonyed, 04 June 2011 - 09:29.

[GD66]

The Silk if I recall had promising attributes, notably the yummy Spondon chassis and Lockheed brakes but I think the gearbox was a known achilles heel and was a Velocette model laid on its' side. If you Google Silk 700S you will find plenty of info, carrot.

Edited by GD66, 04 June 2011 - 09:04.

[tonyed]

As close as I could get after searching my TT specials for 1976. (top left No46)



and a photo I found whilst searching that I hadn't seen before of me on Glencrutchery Road 1973 MGP practice.

Rex Piles on his Greeves behind and to the left the late John Goodall

Edited by tonyed, 04 June 2011 - 09:28.

[carrotcruncher]

Gentlemen,
to all those who apologized,please do not worry, perhaps it is I who should have taken the (slightly)more obviuos route of Googling the Silk first.But,strange though your replies were,Rennmax's reply about inhaling two stroke smoke immediately explains it all. BUT,Istill don't know what a Schirtfinkle is!

[tonyed]

BUT,Istill don't know what a Schirtfinkle is!
[/quote]

[roger382]

Never mind, it's just the result of inhaling too much 2 stroke fume ....

There you are, those bloody `stink wheels` again !!!!!!!

Now where`s me passport ? I`m off out the country before the "incoming" arrives bye bye

[exclubracer]

Gentlemen, BUT,Istill don't know what a Schirtfinkle is!

CC. For your perusal and advancement of your technical prowess....

http://2stroker.crea...nkle-t2281.html

"Thou shalt enter the light and thus thou shalt be enlightened and thy life forevermore enriched" My Son.

(The gospel according to St Mick The First)

Edited by exclubracer, 04 June 2011 - 23:40.

[picblanc]

I'd forgotten about all that on the Twostroke site!.....from little wintertime acorns eh Phil!!

[Rennmax]

I've read that the Racewaye was Clive Waye's project and was based upon 2 Villiers barrels on a common crankcase. So I don't see the Silk/Scott connection. Please correct me if I'm wrong, you stroke addicts

[fil2.8]

I'd forgotten about all that on the Twostroke site!.....from little wintertime acorns eh Phil!!

Yes , my fellow conspirator , , days of glory indeed !!!! , i'm in discussions as we speak , to re-launch the infamous and highly unsuccessful brand which had the press and spectators in awe at the engineering capabilities of this masterpiece ............ ............................long live the Schirtfinkle !!!

[tonyed]

I've read that the Racewaye was Clive Waye's project and was based upon 2 Villiers barrels on a common crankcase. So I don't see the Silk/Scott connection. Please correct me if I'm wrong, you stroke addicts

You might well be right, but I do remember seeing the bike at th '76 MGP as I was in the same race. I cannot recall the engine other than it was two stroke twin. There was a 500 based on two Villiers top ends (made by DMW? called the Scorpian?). This was up for auction at the last Stafford show.

The Race Waye was watercooled, the Villiers based bike was aircooled.

Clive Waye was associated with Scotts not a Villiers man.

This link may help:

http://scottownerscl...p...?f=1&t=1337

Edited by tonyed, 05 June 2011 - 13:14.

[Classicpics]

A little bit more

RaceWaye and RG500 A TT paddock shot from 1974 of a British special, the RaceWaye, alongside Jack Findlay's works Suzuki 500 square 4. The designer/builder of the RaceWaye was Clive Waye, (in the red jumper). Note his bike, a water cooled two stroke twin, has a pair of side radiators. The Suzuki team spent a long time looking at this and in 1975 the works Suzuki had a similar system. Some additional photos by Pat and some other information on the raceway can be found at http://www.scottwaye...waye/index.html Scott is Clive's son.
Pat sent along this information that he recalled about the RaceWaye:

The Race-Waye was basically Clive's idea to build a bike to replace the British singles. It had roughly Manx Norton geometry. The motor was really a pair of Villiers 250 singles mounted side by side in a common crankcase and watercooled. The two cranks were connected in the middle then drove forward to a countershaft which fed the primary chain down the side to the clutch. There was a lot of very clever work in it but like so many specials it took too long to develop, and was overtaken by events, in particular the TZ Yamaha twins. The large streamlining was effective in a straight line but the rider, Nigel Rollason (who had previously won the Senior Manx Grand Prix on a 351cc TR2 Yamaha) told me that, if it lifted, the flat underside held the front end up. He said he'd done most of the Mountain Mile one lap in TT practice with front wheel off the road trying to get far enough forward on the bike to get it down. I asked him if he'd considered closing the throttle but he told me "don't be so bloody silly". Probably explains why he was so much quicker than me!


Info from: http://www.eurospares.com/newadd.htm

Edited by Classicpics, 05 June 2011 - 13:31.

[roger382]

You might well be right, but I do remember seeing the bike at th '76 MGP as I was in the same race. I cannot recall the engine other than it was two stroke twin. There was a 500 based on two Villiers top ends (made by DMW? called the Scorpian?). This was up for auction at the last Stafford show.

The Race Waye was watercooled, the Villiers based bike was aircooled.

Clive Waye was associated with Scotts not a Villiers man.

This link may help:

http://scottownerscl...p...?f=1&t=1337

Wonder where you passed me in that, `two part`, race? If you remember, the 1976 drought came to an end during the last lap, `twas a bit slippy, lost count of the number of Yams sliding up the road on that last 37.73 miles ! The DMW you`re thinking of was the Typhoon, the Scorpion was a gorgeous black and yellow, spine framed 250, fitted with either a Starmaker or an Alpha equiped engine like the RE GP5. I only ever saw the one prototype, at Earls Court, unfortunately the bike never went into production as the company decided that it would be more profitable to produce plastic Daleks !!! I`ve even got a sales brochure for it somewhere!

[Rennmax]

The DMW Typhoon



The cylinder head looks a bit massive, somehow the engine reminds me of a Royal Enfield Interceptor

[tonyed]

Wonder where you passed me in that, `two part`, race? If you remember, the 1976 drought came to an end during the last lap, `twas a bit slippy, lost count of the number of Yams sliding up the road on that last 37.73 miles ! The DMW you`re thinking of was the Typhoon, the Scorpion was a gorgeous black and yellow, spine framed 250, fitted with either a Starmaker or an Alpha equiped engine like the RE GP5. I only ever saw the one prototype, at Earls Court, unfortunately the bike never went into production as the company decided that it would be more profitable to produce plastic Daleks !!! I`ve even got a sales brochure for it somewhere!

I don't think I passed anybody. I started with a very sick engine. We had run out of pistons for the Crescent engine. One piston (out of the three) started with the inlet skirt missing and one with the crack stop drilled and one good piston.

Funnily enough it didn’t seem to effect he engine as much as expected, but it was very flat and wouldn’t rev beyond 8 grand where over 10 grand was usual.

I think my start number was in the 90’s, right at the arse end.

The rev counter packed up when the mounting broke on the third lap (I think or possibly the second, no must have been the third otherwise I’d have ripped it off at the pit stop).

Anyway, by the time the storm really struck, on the fourth lap I’d had enough. Exiting Kates on that lap the whole thing went sideways and but for the fact that the rear wheel hit the bank on the exit I was down. Seem to remember lumps of tree up on the Sulby straight.

With a very sick bike, hypothermia and a longing for the bar I had decided enough was enough and prepared to pull in at the end of the 5th lap.
Was I glad to se the chequered flag as they stopped the race as the winner had started at no 2?

I was in the soup tent afterwards with a cup of tomato soup when, soaked to the skin in my wet leathers, I got he real shakes and my cup of soup was deposited all over the back of a lady wearing a white leather jacket who was standing in front of me. Bet she wondered where all that crap came from.

As a person who had spent many years hill and rock climbing in Snowdonia, the Peak District and the Cairngorms I had been very cold and wet before, but not that cold and wet as I was after the 76 Senior.

My mate Mr Bastard on the Ryan Crescent had packed up on the first lap on the mountain. By the time mountain rescue recovered the inert body only copious amounts of Okells revived him.

Roger382 who are you.? The only other Roger I know from this race is Roger Jennings who rode a Seeley.

Edited by tonyed, 05 June 2011 - 18:05.

[larryd]

Roger382 who are you.? The only other Roger I know from this race is Roger Jennings who rode a Seeley.

Roger Cocks, methinks ?

[picblanc]

Excellent again Tony!!

[tonyed]

Roger382 who are you.? The only other Roger I know from this race is Roger Jennings who rode a Seeley.

Roger Cocks, methinks ?

;)

Indeed.

If it is Roger Cocks then he finished in 26th place on a Norton well ahead of me in 47th place.

I mentioned that I think I started in the 90s in that race. If I'd bothered to turn around from the keyboard I would have noticed a large framed photo of me on my Crescent (arround the 32nd to 33rd I would guess) with the number 91 ( practice shot). I know it was that year as the next year 77 I again rode the Crescent but it had a monoshock conversion and I failed to qualify after crashing at Windy Corner on the Wednsday evening and fracturing vertibrae and a collar bone. That two weeks in Noble was the best 'holiday' I ever had, waited on hand and foot. Well best hoilday until a year and two days later when I broke more vertibrae at the Bomb Hole at Snetteton attempting to demolish the Armco and spending time in the Norfolk and Norwich where I had some good friends on the nursing staff from Cambridge where I used to live including Kathleen, the younger sister of my best mate Jim Chalkley who race a 350 Greeves Oulton (Jim not Kathleen). I think I may have mentioned, somewhere, that my bed was used as the drinks cabinet, with bottles of vodka, whiskey, beers etc under the pillow, in the bedside cabinet. My bed baths, performed by various members of the nursing staff consisted of the curtain being run round the bed and the booze coming out. At the end of three weeks internment I hadn't actually had a bath at all, but had lost two stones in weight.

[fil2.8]

Indeed.

If it is Roger Cocks then he finished in 26th place on a Norton well ahead of me in 47th place.

I mentioned that I think I started in the 90s in that race. If I'd bothered to turn around from the keyboard I would have noticed a large framed photo of me on my Crescent (arround the 32nd to 33rd I would guess) with the number 91 ( practice shot). I know it was that year as the next year 77 I again rode the Crescent but it had a monoshock conversion and I failed to qualify after crashing at Windy Corner on the Wednsday evening and fracturing vertibrae and a collar bone. That two weeks in Noble was the best 'holiday' I ever had, waited on hand and foot. Well best hoilday until a year and two days later when I broke more vertibrae at the Bomb Hole at Snetteton attempting to demolish the Armco and spending time in the Norfolk and Norwich where I had some good friends on the nursing staff from Cambridge where I used to live including Kathleen, the younger sister of my best mate Jim Chalkley who race a 350 Greeves Oulton (Jim not Kathleen). I think I may have mentioned, somewhere, that my bed was used as the drinks cabinet, with bottles of vodka, whiskey, beers etc under the pillow, in the bedside cabinet. My bed baths, performed by various members of the nursing staff consisted of the curtain being run round the bed and the booze coming out. At the end of three weeks internment I hadn't actually had a bath at all, but had lost two stones in weight.

Very good , as usual , Tony , least it kept you in the right spirit.................

[roger382]

Indeed.

If it is Roger Cocks then he finished in 26th place on a Norton well ahead of me in 47th place.

I mentioned that I think I started in the 90s in that race. If I'd bothered to turn around from the keyboard I would have noticed a large framed photo of me on my Crescent (arround the 32nd to 33rd I would guess) with the number 91 ( practice shot). I know it was that year as the next year 77 I again rode the Crescent but it had a monoshock conversion and I failed to qualify after crashing at Windy Corner on the Wednsday evening and fracturing vertibrae and a collar bone. That two weeks in Noble was the best 'holiday' I ever had, waited on hand and foot. Well best hoilday until a year and two days later when I broke more vertibrae at the Bomb Hole at Snetteton attempting to demolish the Armco and spending time in the Norfolk and Norwich where I had some good friends on the nursing staff from Cambridge where I used to live including Kathleen, the younger sister of my best mate Jim Chalkley who race a 350 Greeves Oulton (Jim not Kathleen). I think I may have mentioned, somewhere, that my bed was used as the drinks cabinet, with bottles of vodka, whiskey, beers etc under the pillow, in the bedside cabinet. My bed baths, performed by various members of the nursing staff consisted of the curtain being run round the bed and the booze coming out. At the end of three weeks internment I hadn't actually had a bath at all, but had lost two stones in weight.

Hi Tony, Your correct, tho I prefer to discount the `stink wheels` and then I finished 9th thumper and 1st Manx That being my one of only two claims to fame !, the other being a couple of Classic Sidecar championships later on in the `90`s. I can commiserate with you about the conditions by the end of the race, was a bit nippy `n soggy wasn`t it.

At least you got to enjoy your hospitalised holiday, my one and only `racing holiday` was spent in a coma for 2 1/2 weeks in Bath after a whoopsy on a 50 ! at Castle Coombe back in `65. Tho at least when I came back to the real world, I was glad to find that a hole in the skull doesn`t hurt. But what really hurt was the 12 month racing ban due to the head injury. I can still remember the feeling of joy at my first meeting back in the saddle, the Bemsee Baragwanath Trophy meeting at Brands, by now on a 500 Triumph, in I think July, `66, it was so good to be back. Little did I know that I wouldn`t hang my leathers up for good for another 30 years !! I`ve no doubt that I`ll be back soon(ish) with more reminiscences of tales on the blackstuff. TTFN

[Paul Collins]

This thread has reminded me of something I saw in the early seventies in MCN, Bob Stevenson at Spondon had built a 500 2 stroke twin called a SELVA which according to the article stood for Spondon Engineering Lightweight V = 5 (500) and apparently the A was added to make it sound right.

From the photo in MCN it looked to be based around a pair of Greeves Silverstone motors, I dont think it ever made the track, does anyone else remember anything about this one?

[GD66]

I can recall a Motor Cycling track test of it in its' first stage, accompanied by a pic of a bearded Stevenson in a chequered pudding basin helmet.

[Classicpics]

Many years ago, 1963, when I had my first bike a 59 Greeves Scottish 250, my local workshop was in Mansfield close to where I worked, Frank Inger Motorcycles. Young Frank was a sidecar driver, usually a 500 or 650 Triumph, beautifully crafted and built, resplendent with a tatty old faring. He even made his own ball-ended levers!
In his workshop was his latest project a 500cc outfit powered by two 250 Ariel Arrow engines, mounted across the frame. As far as I know he never ran it on the track. Brilliant at building outfits, but I called him "one lap Frank" he almost always broke down.
I always wonder what happened to his advance 4 cylinder outfit, anyone know?

[Russell Burrows]

Many years ago, 1963, when I had my first bike a 59 Greeves Scottish 250, my local workshop was in Mansfield close to where I worked, Frank Inger Motorcycles. Young Frank was a sidecar driver, usually a 500 or 650 Triumph, beautifully crafted and built, resplendent with a tatty old faring. He even made his own ball-ended levers!
In his workshop was his latest project a 500cc outfit powered by two 250 Ariel Arrow engines, mounted across the frame. As far as I know he never ran it on the track. Brilliant at building outfits, but I called him "one lap Frank" he almost always broke down.
I always wonder what happened to his advance 4 cylinder outfit, anyone know?

Wasn't Bill Boddice connected with an outfit powered by two Arrow motors? Perhaps with unconventional steering ?

Edited by Russell Burrows, 06 June 2011 - 17:05.

[tonyed]

Many years ago, 1963, when I had my first bike a 59 Greeves Scottish 250, my local workshop was in Mansfield close to where I worked, Frank Inger Motorcycles. Young Frank was a sidecar driver, usually a 500 or 650 Triumph, beautifully crafted and built, resplendent with a tatty old faring. He even made his own ball-ended levers!
In his workshop was his latest project a 500cc outfit powered by two 250 Ariel Arrow engines, mounted across the frame. As far as I know he never ran it on the track. Brilliant at building outfits, but I called him "one lap Frank" he almost always broke down.
I always wonder what happened to his advance 4 cylinder outfit, anyone know?

There was three cylinder Ariel Arrow I saw at Mallory several times during the alte 60s and Bill did have a four cylinder Arrow.

Both forms of engines have been for sale recently.

My first racer was a 250 based on the Motorcycle Mechanics racer 'Make Your Arrow Do 100mph'.

Although eventually it had an exworks Herman Meir, Mike O'Rourke TT bike rear wheel, Dominator frontwheel, twin carb conversion, close ratio four speed box. Could have been the challenge to the Japs but Ariel decided that the Pixie and Three was the way forward Says everything about the British Motorcycle industry

[Herr Wankel]

This thread has reminded me of something I saw in the early seventies in MCN, Bob Stevenson at Spondon had built a 500 2 stroke twin called a SELVA which according to the article stood for Spondon Engineering Lightweight V = 5 (500) and apparently the A was added to make it sound right.

From the photo in MCN it looked to be based around a pair of Greeves Silverstone motors, I dont think it ever made the track, does anyone else remember anything about this one?

Remember it,but can't say I ever saw it racing.Bob was a bit good (understatement) at my local circuit Darley,on a highly modified Greeves 350.Much to the dismay of the yam pilots.Something in my grey cells says he did have a few outings on it there.

HW

[Paul Collins]

Remember it,but can't say I ever saw it racing.Bob was a bit good (understatement) at my local circuit Darley,on a highly modified Greeves 350.Much to the dismay of the yam pilots.Something in my grey cells says he did have a few outings on it there.

HW

i remember Bob absolutely flying on that Greeves at Cadwell too, as you say, he often won beating the Yams, a nice bloke too, I went on to have several frames and other bits from Spondon in later years and dealt with Bob quite a lot, a couple of times he knocked my petrol money off the bill when I drove over to collect things (About a 160 mile round trip) which was a really nice gesture.

[GD66]

[quote name='Classicpics' date='Jun 6 2011, 08:54' post='5080886'
In his workshop was his latest project a 500cc outfit powered by two 250 Ariel Arrow engines, mounted across the frame. As far as I know he never ran it on the track. [/quote]


Pretty sure Ron Langston had a crack with a sidecar along these lines.