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#51 275 GTB-4

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:42

Want to throw the dipper into the equation ?

with a little Skyline, Reid Park and McPhillamy etc :)

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#52 GD66

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:50

Out of that latest pack, I reckon you could include #34 Dick Reid on the A1-R, #74 John Simms on the TD1-C, and #35 Brian Martin on the CB750.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 11:01

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It's odds on that this one's a demo, straight off the showroom floor. When the fours first arrived, I snuck a ride, and being only a lad, I hammered the thing across a steeply cambered four way junction to see how far it would take off. When I finally landed, I was almost sideways, my heart was hanging out my mouth, and I had already rehearsed most of my spiel to the boss. I once stuffed a newly registered CB350 right under a parked truck too ;some bloke had carelessly parked his vehicle on the racing line through a big sweeper on our circuit between Mascot and the Motor Transport Department. I seem to remember the new owner waiting back at the showroom wasn't best pleased.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 18 December 2011 - 13:11.


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 12:17

I see, Russell : clearly, you're no John Warrian ! Anyway, they had their 6 Hour debut in 1970 in the hands of Craig Brown/Brian Martin, so it may have been a demo bike but may not have been brand-new. Regarding thoughtless motorists parking on the racing line of your favourite road test circuit, I worked as a youngster after school at Gate Pa Cycles in Tauranga : it was actually quite handy in later life, when sad sacks bemoaned that they couldn't ride with right-side gearshifts or race-pattern shifts on customer bikes... I grew up jumping from a Suzuki onto a Norton, onto a Kawasaki, onto a Triumph, onto a Honda, onto an AJS, so it never bothered me then, and all these years later, jumping from my race-pattern Honda roadracer onto my vmx Husqvarna, it never bothers me now...anyway, I'd finally persuaded a very recalcitrant friend of mine to entrust his lovely 650SS Norton to the shop for a long-overdue tuneup. Needless to say, after we'd synched the carbs, tuned it up, and had it running beautifully, it was up to the "hairy-arsed schoolboy" to give the Norton the resulting road test...laying it over into a normally-tranquil righthander, a car quickly reversed out of a driveway into my path, and I had to run off the road and lay my buddy's lovely 650SS down on the grassy roadside verge...
He kind of forgave me, but with a "zig-zag" smile, and he never was really all that keen to ever revisit that bike shop again... :blush:

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 09:57

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It's odds on that this one's a demo, straight off the showroom floor. When the fours first arrived, I snuck a ride, and being only a lad, I hammered the thing across a steeply cambered four way junction to see how far it would take off. When I finally landed, I was almost sideways, my heart was hanging out my mouth, and I had already rehearsed most of my spiel to the boss. I once stuffed a newly registered CB350 right under a parked truck too ;some bloke had carelessly parked his vehicle on the racing line through a big sweeper on our circuit between Mascot and the Motor Transport Department. I seem to remember the new owner waiting back at the showroom wasn't best pleased.


Whoever it is...they don't look "comfortable"....so probably not Craig Brown or Brian Martin! and I would never forgive you if you laid down my 650SS (noting: that I only ever got a go on a single carb Mercury anyway ;-) Sweet handling bikes with the usual British high first gear...

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 11:19

Whoever it is...they don't look "comfortable"....so probably not Craig Brown or Brian Martin! and I would never forgive you if you laid down my 650SS (noting: that I only ever got a go on a single carb Mercury anyway ;-) Sweet handling bikes with the usual British high first gear...


It's one time Bennett and Woods employee, John Warrian. He was quick. The Honda is almost certainly bog standard; those high handlebars - were they higher than the European versions? - don't really allow for a racey attitude.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 20:11

I see, Russell : clearly, you're no John Warrian ! Anyway, they had their 6 Hour debut in 1970 in the hands of Craig Brown/Brian Martin, so it may have been a demo bike but may not have been brand-new. Regarding thoughtless motorists parking on the racing line of your favourite road test circuit, I worked as a youngster after school at Gate Pa Cycles in Tauranga : it was actually quite handy in later life, when sad sacks bemoaned that they couldn't ride with right-side gearshifts or race-pattern shifts on customer bikes... I grew up jumping from a Suzuki onto a Norton, onto a Kawasaki, onto a Triumph, onto a Honda, onto an AJS, so it never bothered me then, and all these years later, jumping from my race-pattern Honda roadracer onto my vmx Husqvarna, it never bothers me now...anyway, I'd finally persuaded a very recalcitrant friend of mine to entrust his lovely 650SS Norton to the shop for a long-overdue tuneup. Needless to say, after we'd synched the carbs, tuned it up, and had it running beautifully, it was up to the "hairy-arsed schoolboy" to give the Norton the resulting road test...laying it over into a normally-tranquil righthander, a car quickly reversed out of a driveway into my path, and I had to run off the road and lay my buddy's lovely 650SS down on the grassy roadside verge...
He kind of forgave me, but with a "zig-zag" smile, and he never was really all that keen to ever revisit that bike shop again... :blush:


I witnessed the first one Glenn. I was reminded a while back that Craig Brown rode the whole thing on his own. How did he swing that, I wonder? There was a period in the race where all hell broke loose. I can remember a whole series of blokes spearing into the high bank/rock face type affair that ran parallel with the circuit as it climbed up the hill. Enzeder Ross King was one of them and all sorts of people from the pit area were running around up there in a state of some distress. An ambulance then made its way up the hill to pick up the injured. Then, just as Garry Thomas, who I think was leading the race, was powering up the hill, the moron driving the ambulance decided to complete a three point turn right across his path. The impact was truly sickening and Thomas flew high into the air and dissappeared down into the bush of the gully below. Amazingly he was still in one piece when they found him.

I think the first CB750 arrived in Aust in 1969, K1, was it?

Edited by Russell Burrows, 19 December 2011 - 20:27.


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Posted 20 December 2011 - 09:35

It's one time Bennett and Woods employee, John Warrian. He was quick. The Honda is almost certainly bog standard; those high handlebars - were they higher than the European versions? - don't really allow for a racey attitude.


OK...maybe he is shifting his weight then :blush: The bars were tourers...not flat by any means...and they were made of this very flexible Licorice-Metal :rolleyes:

The K1s mostly came in Gold only...

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 09:46

OK...maybe he is shifting his weight then :blush: The bars were tourers...not flat by any means...and they were made of this very flexible Licorice-Metal :rolleyes:

The K1s mostly came in Gold only...

Yes, I remember them as high bars, but were these US style high, or was there no difference around the world. I hate to contradict you again - alright then I don't- but they also came in a sort of turquoise blue and candy red.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 20 December 2011 - 11:54.


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Posted 20 December 2011 - 10:37

Most of the ones imported in France were red, and the first one I ever saw as a 13 years old kid in a shop window was inded that , but there was just a single K1 in my village and it was one of the turquoise blue kind and I thought it was absolutely gorgeous ! :up:

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 14:09

Most of the ones imported in France were red, and the first one I ever saw as a 13 years old kid in a shop window was inded that , but there was just a single K1 in my village and it was one of the turquoise blue kind and I thought it was absolutely gorgeous ! :up:


They did look good. I remember them as hugely heavy though. I was full of admiration for the racing blokes who chucked them around. Another one time work mate, Bruce Ireland, who was a skinny little 9 stone wringing wet sort of a bloke, was one such rider - his four was super quick on the straight bits too.

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 14:39

Another Honda/Six Hour race story has just popped into my head. A couple of guys who I worked with at the distributors, Laurrie Turbull and Ray Vinton, entered a CB 450 in the 1970 race. I remember them pulling newly assembled 450's out of the line trying to find the one with the least out of line wheels !

I liked the 450 lots though, especially the low geared, high exhaust version - lots of low down grunt.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 20 December 2011 - 14:47.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 11:25

My negatives are out of order in the files, so some later afternoon shots have popped up next....

The back-light meant that the bikes were silhouetted, so I wandered up the road to see
if I could change the angles.....playing games with the back light as I went.

Some worked....some didn't....

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 11:39

Just above the Dipper....
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 11:42

In the dip just after Reid Park...
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 13:22

A good fun experiment, Lynton. Must say #20 looks awfully like Keith Turner on the Colemans TR500.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 17:18

Lots of bare Armco around, not a place to go down...

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 09:41

From the first batch 112 is Murray Sayle on a TD1C, 32 looks like Bill Dillow, 95 also on a TD1C looks like Keith Brown from Melbourne, 57 looks like Geoff Sims who had the ex Toombs TD1C with the disc front brakes. Great Images.
20 appears to be Keith Turner on TR250 Suzuki as he rode in the 250GP race and Len Atlee was on the 4 cylinder Clem Daniels special in that race.

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 21:30

Yes, I remember them as high bars, but were these US style high, or was there no difference around the world. I hate to contradict you again - alright then I don't- but they also came in a sort of turquoise blue and candy red.


Whats to contradict? No they weren't US Ape Hangers...they were touring handlebars....

and my recollection is that the majority of K1s sold out of Bennet Honda were gold....NOT saying they didn't come in other colours!

Mine was a K2...baby poo brown...not the colour I wanted but all that was available at the time....the K2 had the same bars as the K1 (in Sydney Australia, anyway)

Here is me looking comfortable on the K2 (who wouldn't, just about to run over a cat! :-)

Merry Xmas to all...stay safe on two wheels out there...

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 21:39

In the dip just after Reid Park...




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That was a good place to spectate and take photos! one of mine form the 1980s....

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 00:24

That was a good place to spectate and take photos! one of mine form the 1980s....
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Seems my crowd was a bit cleaner than yours!!

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 03:55

Seems my crowd was a bit cleaner than yours!!


Nah...the Garbo's were on strike! :)

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 18:19

Whats to contradict? No they weren't US Ape Hangers...they were touring handlebars....

and my recollection is that the majority of K1s sold out of Bennet Honda were gold....NOT saying they didn't come in other colours!


Not my recollection. I worked at Bennett Hondas Mascot shop from '68-'71.

Anyway, what's the story with the Vinnie and the Inter?



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Posted 05 March 2012 - 12:17

Here's some more from Saturday morning....
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 13:13

Top pic: Hindle chasing Toombsie

Next: Tony Hatton on the tail of someone who looks very much like Barry Smith, perhaps the only bloke on a proper TA 125?

Ron again

Len Attlee - is that Clem Daniels' special ?

Bryan again

Barry Smith ?

Eric Hinton - too nuggety for these things, surely?

No idea

i think, Barry Rattray chasing someone unknown to me.

Hindle again safely in front of a mystery TSS rider whose imminent crash due to a seizure won't now bring Brian down as well.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 05 March 2012 - 13:26.


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Posted 05 March 2012 - 13:30

.....Hindle again safely in front of a mystery TSS rider whose imminent crash due to a seizure won't now bring Brian down as well.



Would that be a primary drive seizure due to the chain breaking or a piston seizure? :D

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:40

Would that be a primary drive seizure due to the chain breaking or a piston seizure? :D


Did you write that you bravely raced one?


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Posted 05 March 2012 - 20:22

Did you write that you bravely raced one?


Never raced one but I've been close to them on several occassions when they've suffered primary chain failure, often resulting in "collateral damage." For that reason it worries me being close to one on the racetrack more than the piston seizing, at least there's a chance of the rider catching it if that happens.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:04

That rider has the added bonus of a novice vest and no goggles, so he's up for a big learning weekend all round, really. :rolleyes:

I reckon that is Barry Smith, Russell. Sure sits like him.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 10:47

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 11:16

#68 Garry Thomas, #4 Rob Hinton, #10 Max Robertson (?), #35 Brian Martin, #55 Tony Hatton... some kinda scary proddie racers in there, Lynton.

Great to see these pics mate, not just 'cos it's Bathurst, but we LURVE black'n'white... :love:

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 00:31

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 00:36

Never raced one but I've been close to them on several occassions when they've suffered primary chain failure, often resulting in "collateral damage." For that reason it worries me being close to one on the racetrack more than the piston seizing, at least there's a chance of the rider catching it if that happens.


Keeping in mind that bikes are not my thing & that I only went to the Bathurst races in 1970 & 1971
& one other bike meeting at Amaroo at around that time (which I never photographed), I wouldn't mind
a more detailed explanation of the bike tending to lose chains.

I don't even know what make of bike it is, so treat me gentle...!!


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Posted 07 March 2012 - 03:34

Keeping in mind that bikes are not my thing & that I only went to the Bathurst races in 1970 & 1971
& one other bike meeting at Amaroo at around that time (which I never photographed), I wouldn't mind
a more detailed explanation of the bike tending to lose chains.

I don't even know what make of bike it is, so treat me gentle...!!


The bike is a TSS Bultaco, they made 125 and 250 versions of them. The primary drive (that is the drive from the crankshaft to the gearbox - I hope I'm not being too simplistic) was by chain. This chain has been known to break and because the drive was fully enclosed the chain would often jam between the sprockets and the case with the result being akin to a complete gearbox seizure, locking the rear wheel solid. Unlike a piston seizure where one has the opportunity (if fast enough) to pull the clutch in and stop the resulting engine lock up being transmitted to the rear wheel a gear box seizure normally results in a crash. I've seen this more than once and the last time it happened was during a race I was involved in, the Bultaco turned sideways exiting a corner took the bloke next to him down and another one ran into the resulting mass of motorcycles, I just about managed to avoid the mess but in doing so I put another bloke on the grass, luckily he didn't fall off. Hence my worry when ever I got too close to one.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 05:02

The bike is a TSS Bultaco, they made 125 and 250 versions of them. The primary drive (that is the drive from the crankshaft to the gearbox - I hope I'm not being too simplistic) was by chain. This chain has been known to break and because the drive was fully enclosed the chain would often jam between the sprockets and the case with the result being akin to a complete gearbox seizure, locking the rear wheel solid. Unlike a piston seizure where one has the opportunity (if fast enough) to pull the clutch in and stop the resulting engine lock up being transmitted to the rear wheel a gear box seizure normally results in a crash. I've seen this more than once and the last time it happened was during a race I was involved in, the Bultaco turned sideways exiting a corner took the bloke next to him down and another one ran into the resulting mass of motorcycles, I just about managed to avoid the mess but in doing so I put another bloke on the grass, luckily he didn't fall off. Hence my worry when ever I got too close to one.


Thanks,

I remember the Bultaco as a high pitched rattly sounding little bike....is that right?

I had a mate who was there & knew a bit about the bikes, so he picked out the ones he knew as they went by.

With my camera up & going for a significant proportion of the races, & being in unfamiliar territory, most of it never stuck.

Cheers

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 07:38


The Honda CB72/77, which was popular as a base for a racer in the junior championships over here, had a enclosed primary chain as well, but I've never heard of this problem with that bike. So it was also a matter of chain quality? Wonder whether the CR production racers had also primary chain drive?

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 17:39

Thanks,
I remember the Bultaco as a high pitched rattly sounding little bike....is that right?
Cheers

Yes, a bit like a bucket of rusty nails being rattled. A nice unrestored early Bulseizo example. Posted Image

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 17:49

The Honda CB72/77, which was popular as a base for a racer in the junior championships over here, had a enclosed primary chain as well, but I've never heard of this problem with that bike. So it was also a matter of chain quality? Wonder whether the CR production racers had also primary chain drive?


Excellent questions for a nostaligia forum, Renn - Fraid I don't know the answer to either though, and I did look.


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Posted 07 March 2012 - 18:27

Spanish Horex chain was not the best - but the directive from Franco that Spanish bikes had to be made from 100% locally produced materials meant that some of the gear was not as good as, say, a Reynolds chain.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 23:17

My brother would regularly inspect and sometimes replace the primary chain on his Greeves for this very reason.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 06:06

My brother would regularly inspect and sometimes replace the primary chain on his Greeves for this very reason.

Recognise a few in those shots, Toombsie, Max Robinson, Brian Martin,John Warrian great pics

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 09:25

Excellent questions for a nostaligia forum, Renn - Fraid I don't know the answer to either though, and I did look.


Received this mail today:

Hello

The CR72 and 77 bikes had gear primary drive. There was a prototype CR72 with chain drive, but it never went into series production. I described that in my book "Honda's Four-Stroke Race History 1954-1981". See http://rosedogbooks-...fostrahi19.html

Kind regards,

Joep

That's the gent who runs this site

http://www.vf750fd.c...ce_history.html


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Posted 11 March 2012 - 10:36

Received this mail today:

Hello

The CR72 and 77 bikes had gear primary drive. There was a prototype CR72 with chain drive, but it never went into series production. I described that in my book "Honda's Four-Stroke Race History 1954-1981". See http://rosedogbooks-...fostrahi19.html

Kind regards,

Joep

That's the gent who runs this site

http://www.vf750fd.c...ce_history.html

Thanks Renn. They were racing in '54, blimey.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 10:06

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:12

30, Stan Baylis, 34, Dennis Skinner (no, not that Dennis Skinner), 4, Bob Levy.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:09

And solo great Ken Rumble on #99 behind Skinner.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:07

More outfits from the Saturday

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 06:58

I found this topic after a Bathurst 1971 search.

 

I travelled to Mallalar, South Australia from WA in late 1970, where this photo was taken.

 

During 1971 I worked at Bennett Honda in Mascott assembling new bikes. 

 

My motorcycling goal in life was to ride at Bathurst, which I did as a "B" grader in 1971.

 

The bike is a 1966 CB450 (Black Bomber), stock standard with 16/35 gearing for Bathurst.  I recall borrowing the 16t cog from a CB750 rider.

 

Sometime in 1971 the bike was repainted and the tank changed to a CL model, so these may not be the colors. 

 

The 155 number was used in SA, I don't recall what it had at Bathurst. Edit: Race Number was 121, I will look for pix.

 

In January 1972, I married a Sydney girl and returned to WA where I sold the bike and followed other interests.

 

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#100 lyntonh

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 05:00

I found this topic after a Bathurst 1971 search.

 

I travelled to Mallalar, South Australia from WA in late 1970, where this photo was taken.

 

During 1971 I worked at Bennett Honda in Mascott assembling new bikes. 

 

My motorcycling goal in life was to ride at Bathurst, which I did as a "B" grader in 1971.

 

The bike is a 1966 CB450 (Black Bomber), stock standard with 16/35 gearing for Bathurst.  I recall borrowing the 16t cog from a CB750 rider.

 

Sometime in 1971 the bike was repainted and the tank changed to a CL model, so these may not be the colors. 

 

The 155 number was used in SA, I don't recall what it had at Bathurst.

 

In January 1972, I married a Sydney girl and returned to WA where I sold the bike and followed other interests.

 

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It's good to hear from you.

 

I stopped putting photos up after the number of replies waned a year or so ago.

 

Ive still got heaps that I can put on here, but there a lots of repeats.

 

I'll hunt through my shots & see if you show up.


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