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#1 D.M.N.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:24

Good morning. :wave:

Doesn't matter what the track configuration looks like nowadays, but you can always guarantee a German on pole position. Schumi? Na. Vettel? More like it. Now you're wondering why you should tune in. What if I said rain? A lot of it?.....

- today's forecast
- radar

Rain is expected to continue on and off throughout the morning, so a damp start in the least is anticipated. I think I should note, which is important to remember: DRS is banned in the rain. For those in the UK, coverage starts at 5pm with the race starting at 6pm.

The chance of a thunderstorm is interesting and so is the forecast of 12mm of rain, which sounds to be like a lot. I imagine in the event of thunder and lightning during the F1 that it would be red flagged.

If McLaren did go for a wet set-up, then they will be in a strong position, however as always its about being on the right tyres at the right time. Would be nice to see a surprise result as well. Also, it is worth noting that the gear ratios are locked after FP2, so if it is dry, the prime tyre may be the preferred one due to the green surface. (thanks to Dunder for pointing that out here)

Predictions:

Dry - Top 8
1 - Vettel
2 - Alonso
3 - Hamilton
4 - Webber
5 - Button
6 - Massa
7 - Rosberg
8 - Di Resta

Wet - Top 8
1 - Button
2 - Vettel
3 - Hamilton
4 - Schumacher
5 - Alonso
6 - Sutil
7 - Webber
8 - Kobayashi

:drunk:

Edited by D.M.N., 12 June 2011 - 08:26.


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#2 Mc_Silver

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:25

There is %80 chance that it will rain so expect lots of SC guys.

#3 tifosiMac

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:27

There is %80 chance that it will rain so expect lots of SC guys.

And fast Mclarens hopefully. :)

#4 d246

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:28

I don't mind a shower to provide changing conditions, but a wash-out just recks the race.

#5 Jacobss

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:29

My podium predictions:

Dry:

Vettel
Alonso
Hamilton

Wet:

Vettel
Alonso
Hamilton

:lol: :stoned:

#6 Mc_Silver

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:30

Will Button surprise everyone once again? :p

#7 ImDDAA

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:31

Glock has got a full wet set up, this race is his to lose.

#8 Ellios

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:32

predictions:

Dry: Vettel
Wet: Vettel


everyone else will be behind him :)

#9 Mc_Silver

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:33

We will see Vettel in the wall of champions again :p

#10 TURU

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:35

Heidfeld is on wet setup as well.

"It’s true to think that the weather conditions could play a big role in tomorrow’s race. This is the reason why we have chosen two different set-ups. Even if their lap times were very close today, Nick and Vitaly are carrying different levels of downforce. As you know, when it rains, we’re only allowed to change the cooling of the cars. Nick will carry more downforce than Vitaly tomorrow and, depending on the weather, this could be a very strong position to be in. Their cars are not identical but they did a good job and could play on different strategies tomorrow.”




#11 D.M.N.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:36

Am I right in saying that the difference between a dry and wet setup nowadays is not very much? I know like 10/15 years ago the difference was pretty big, but I don't think it is nowadays is it?

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:36

Am I right in saying that the difference between a dry and wet setup nowadays is not very much? I know like 10/15 years ago the difference was pretty big, but I don't think it is nowadays is it?


According to Jenson Button there is very little difference.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:40

Glock has got a full wet set up, this race is his to lose.

:p i guess we should keep an eye on him then

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:43

I reckon if its dry, Alonso has this one. The Ferrari's have been fast since FP1 and Alonso always looks in control around here.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:43

Am I right in saying that the difference between a dry and wet setup nowadays is not very much? I know like 10/15 years ago the difference was pretty big, but I don't think it is nowadays is it?

I suppose running a wet setup on high donforce track like Monaco makes less difference in the dry than at a track like Monaco or Montreal, where you can suffer on the straights. But the Mclarens and Heidfeld don't seem to be that far down on the speed trap, which I'd guess is a result of the DRS.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:46

Dry race, I think Alonso and maybe even massa might have too much for Vettel, particularly if he doesn't lead into T1
Full wet race, might be Vettel but maybe the Mclarens can make an impression
Mixed conditions- Draw lots out of a hat.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:48

Big night of motorsport for me - MotoGP, Le Mans, GP. Lucky it's a holiday tomorrow for me to recover. :up:

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:49

Dry race, I think Alonso and maybe even massa might have too much for Vettel, particularly if he doesn't lead into T1
Full wet race, might be Vettel but maybe the Mclarens can make an impression
Mixed conditions- Draw lots out of a hat.


Let's hope together that Vettel crashes out in T1 or even better, bogs down at the start. Sounds good ?? :lol:

Edited by TURU, 12 June 2011 - 08:52.


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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:52

I know DMN mentioned red flags if there's thunder and lightning, and to follow up on that, Hockenheim 2000 there was thunder as well as rain, but no lightning, and they carried on, and Malaysia 2009 they had thunder and lightning bolts which hit the track but they carried on (albeit they red flagged the race more due to light and the amount of water on track, rather than because of the lightning). I don't see us having a fully dry race, but I do expect SC's whether it's wet or dry, particularly if it's mixed conditions. Oh and as far as the 12mm of rain goes (may be different for the track compared to the city) but Japan last year saw 54mm in 6 hours.

Edited by HuddersfieldTerrier1986, 12 June 2011 - 08:54.


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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:01

Let's hope together that Vettel crashes out in T1 or even better, bogs down at the start. Sounds good ?? :lol:

i think its about time we have a first corner incident, i dont think we have had a lot of accidents on the first lap yet. also its about time one of the top 5 retires

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:06

i think its about time we have a first corner incident, i dont think we have had a lot of accidents on the first lap yet. also its about time one of the top 5 retires


This and we really need some rain. This year is too dry so far.

#22 Kelateboy

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:09

Glock has got a full wet set up, this race is his to lose.

But Button seems to indicate that there is not a world of difference between wet and dry set-ups. Basically, he was saying that McLaren have an optimized setup that could work in both dry and wet conditions.

http://www.f1fanatic...ualifying-pace/

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:11

But Button seems to indicate that there is not a world of difference between wet and dry set-ups. Basically, he was saying that McLaren have an optimized setup that could work in both dry and wet conditions.

http://www.f1fanatic...ualifying-pace/


They all said that yesterday. What happened is that they don't have a low downforce win with them like the other teams, while this isn't a wet setup it will work better in the wet compared to the teams carrying less wing.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:15

i think its about time we have a first corner incident, i dont think we have had a lot of accidents on the first lap yet. also its about time one of the top 5 retires

It is a short run up to the 1st corner, so the likelihood of a pileup involving the front runners are diminished. But I expect Alonso to be overly aggressive at the start because he knows Vettel would not risk a 1st turn incident. Vettel has his eyes on the long term WDC goal, while Alonso is only looking for his 1st win of the season.

#25 Kelateboy

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:16

They all said that yesterday. What happened is that they don't have a low downforce win with them like the other teams, while this isn't a wet setup it will work better in the wet compared to the teams carrying less wing.

Then McLaren are screwed at Monza...

Edited by Kelateboy, 12 June 2011 - 09:23.


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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:20

Then McLaren are screwed in Imola...


Is Monza dropped from the calendar? :p

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:20

i think its about time we have a first corner incident, i dont think we have had a lot of accidents on the first lap yet. also its about time one of the top 5 retires


You do realise that it will be Webber that gets punted off if it's going to be one of the top 5?

#28 Kelateboy

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:22

Is Monza dropped from the calendar? :p

Just checking whether anybody was paying attention... :D

#29 Raziel

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:27

Canada weather update: Showers throughout this morning, leaving the track damp at the start. Thunderstorms possible, wet race very likely

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:28

You do realise that it will be Webber that gets punted off if it's going to be one of the top 5?


Nah, Webber will punt someone else off :p

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:29

Nah, Webber will punt someone else off :p


Vettel ??

#32 Kelateboy

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:30

Nah, Webber will punt someone else off :p

And it is unlikely that he'll punt his teammate because that will cost him a seat next year.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:30

Nah, Webber will punt someone else off :p


Well if he does they will keep going and he will DNF anyway... :p

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:31

Well if he does they will keep going and he will DNF anyway... :p

that wasn't the pattern last year... :rolleyes:

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:31

And it is unlikely that he'll punt his teammate because that will cost him a seat next year.

Depends if he plans on retiring next year :p

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:34

So... what effect will the lack of DRS have on the teams? Good for Redbull or bad?

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:35

So... what effect will the lack of DRS have on the teams? Good for Redbull or bad?


Bad for Mercedes - that's for sure.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:36

It is a short run up to the 1st corner, so the likelihood of a pileup involving the front runners are diminished. But I expect Alonso to be overly aggressive at the start because he knows Vettel would not risk a 1st turn incident. Vettel has his eyes on the long term WDC goal, while Alonso is only looking for his 1st win of the season.

well, in the past, this was the one track were you always got first corner crashes, most memorably 1998


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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:36

So... what effect will the lack of DRS have on the teams? Good for Redbull or bad?

good, as it is harder to overtake Vettel without DRS aid, than with DRS aid.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:36

So... what effect will the lack of DRS have on the teams? Good for Redbull or bad?


Good for anyone at the front

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:37

Very excited for the race, I love Canada and I've yet to see a boring race there in the past few years. A wet race does sound interesting, hopefully Hamilton can pick something out of it, it is his best circuit.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:38

that wasn't the pattern last year... :rolleyes:


You do realise last year was a statistical anomaly?

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:38

Does it have to be declared a wet race for DRS to be banned or is it arbitrary?

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:39

Good for anyone at the front

And in the wet, visibility is an issue with the spraying coming from the cars ahead of you. Coupled with no DRS, it could make overtaking a bit difficult. Advantages to those who qualified in front!

#45 Kelateboy

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:42

Does it have to be declared a wet race for DRS to be banned or is it arbitrary?

The track has to be declared wet before DRS not to be used either in practice, qualifying or race.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:44

You do realise last year was a statistical anomaly?

why? the top gun with the Newey car got a plenty of failures making him fail from the front, and alonso lucked in those victories. perfectly usual to me :lol: :p

#47 Kelateboy

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:45

What is the weather now in Montreal?

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:46

why? the top gun with the Newey car got a plenty of failures making him fail from the front, and alonso lucked in those victories. perfectly usual to me :lol: :p


Well I was referring to Webber's luck and last year it being generally of the good kind - but fair enough... :lol:

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:48

Well I was referring to Webber's luck and last year it being generally of the good kind - but fair enough... :lol:

yeah but he was long overdue for a season with a bit of luck but this season is making him remember that he wont have the luck like last year.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 09:48

http://www.pjcci.ca/...;intDirection=1

Live video from a traffic webcam just north of the circuit. Road was damp, now fully wet.