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[velgajski1]

Over the last two weeks most talked about topic is Lewis Hamilton reckless driving at Monaco. I thought that in Monaco we should see this behavior more often instead of processional driving, yet Hamilton received heavy criticism from most.

But let this not be the main theme of this topic.

As we can see, there is slight rain 10 minutes before start and Whiting decided that start will be under safety car. We're watching 24 best drivers in the world, why the hell is safety car neccessary to start this race?

In 20 years - will they ban overtakes altogether and drive somekind of hybrid cars? Because this is slowly the way F1 is heading now.

Also, with F1 already being geared towards aero - has F1 already became aerodynamics study rather than racing series with usual elements of racing series being slowly banned?

Edited by velgajski1, 12 June 2011 - 17:00.

[R2D2]

Starting a damp race behind the safety car, too. Sheesh.

[Grundle]

After watching the MotoGP race start under worse conditions, I have to say yes.

[jonnoj]

Bernie & Co should be done under the Trades Description Act 'cos racing it aint.

[ensign14]

The latest show car on the basis that it's raining a little bit suggests the answer yes...

[R2D2]

Maybe they should design the cars so that they work in those conditions? Those that don't will lose the race. <rolls eyes>

[Jimisgod]

Absolutely.

[Scotracer]

Lewis driving people off the road is good?

[joshb]

Its a pity they didn't start under normal, we've done it with worse weather (Oz 2010 maybe)

but its completely undriveable now, just waiting for someone to go off, its like a pond

[Clatter]

After watching the MotoGP race start under worse conditions, I have to say yes.

It really amazes me how little some people understand the sport. The issue is because the cars run so close to the ground that they aquaplane on the standing water. This is not an issue with Motorbikes where the tyres can simply do their job.

[dbltop]

YES! IT IS!! What a joke.

[HAM]

Yeah, it is for a couple of yrs now isn't it. MotoGP is always more a sport of men.

[sawyer_si]

I would love to see all you moaners racing in 1,2L twingos or something like that around that track in this conditions.

[ExFlagMan]

When it rains in Montreal at this time of year it really rains.

In 1986 we went to Montreal for the GP, on the monday after the race on the way to the airport we had a downpour like they have just had then and an artic tanker with about a meter of ground clearance managed to aquaplane and jack-knife on the motorway infront of us. Even the 747 had difficulty taking off in those conditions.

[R2D2]

I would love to see all you moaners racing in 1,2L twingos or something like that around that track in this conditions.

Well, 1.2L Twingos aren't designed to do that. But if F1 has to visit tracks where it might rain then should the cars be designed for those conditions? Pinnacle of motor sport, eh?

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Def feels like it's becoming wuss sport. I mean the start on the SC, c'mon now.

Edited by CaptainJackSparrow, 12 June 2011 - 18:07.

[sawyer_si]

Well, 1.2L Twingos aren't designed to do that. But if F1 has to visit tracks where it might rain then should the cars be designed for those conditions? Pinnacle of motor sport, eh?

No, twingos are designed for rain, F1 cars are not. It only rains in like 10% of the races, why would they design their cars for rain?

[ExFlagMan]

MotoGP v F1 - 1" wide contact patch v 12" - 16" wide contact patch - its called aquaplaning - that amount of water a bicycle would get more grip.

[ryan86]

The decision to start under the safety car was verging on the soft side.

The decision to red flag the race however was completely right.

[Fastcake]

Well, 1.2L Twingos aren't designed to do that. But if F1 has to visit tracks where it might rain then should the cars be designed for those conditions? Pinnacle of motor sport, eh?

If you designed cars to race more effectively in wet conditions, you'll just be slowing them down significantly everywhere else. Besides, they'll be trundling around at awfully slow speeds like they do now. Won't be racing in the slightest.

[VicR]

F1 has been a 'wuss' sport for well over a decade.

[ExFlagMan]

When they are lifting drain covers then you know you are in deep trouble.

[sheepgobba]

"Who are those wussies?" Nan, they're just F1 drivers.

Edited by sheepgobba, 12 June 2011 - 18:10.

[R2D2]

It only rains in like 10% of the races, why would they design their cars for rain?

Because they can? Because we want to actually watch a race? Because it obviously will bring amazing rain technology to 1.2L Twingos and the cars us mere mortals have to drive?

[BennyJohnson]

"Who are those wussies?" Nan, they're just are F1 drivers.

Yeah!

We want a Boat Race!!!

I mean... Motor Race...

[HJS]

are you guys stupid or blind? or both?
you can't drive in these conditions.

[ExFlagMan]

F1 has been a 'wuss' sport for well over a decade.

Then why are you watching it?

[sawyer_si]

Because they can? Because we want to actually watch a race? Because it obviously will bring amazing rain technology to 1.2L Twingos and the cars us mere mortals have to drive?

Maybe they should design submarines as well, because they can.

[SCUDmissile]

race should have been redflagged, but no way should it have started under safety car.

[TheBunk]

Maybe they should change the name of the 'full' wets back to 'monsoon' wets and fool Whiting a bit. First post of me btw.

[R2D2]

If you designed cars to race more effectively in wet conditions, you'll just be slowing them down significantly everywhere else.

They already have special rules for the rain, so that's not a reasonable excuse.

[ExFlagMan]

Indycar & NASCAR stop the race if someone drops a coke on the track or someone sneezes!

[Andy865]

Sensible decision to red.

You could see from the early laps they were really struggling, starting under safety was a good call that lasted too long. The pirelli wets are ****.

[VicR]

Then why are you watching it?

Good question. I really don't know. Maybe to have something to complain about.

[Stormsky68]

Nope...its always been a wuss sport

Teams should be forced to make wet set ups overnight if rain is probable to ensure maxiumu racing

[Fastcake]

They already have special rules for the rain, so that's not a reasonable excuse.

Yes it is, they will require special cars for the wet, cars that are pretty pointless to construct when this amount of rain happens rarely. You also missed the rest of my post, in that the cars still would not be able to race quickly at all. You can't beat physics in pretending that the cars will somehow be just as fast.

[arknor]

wuss sport indeed look at the races during the 90s some times it was absolutely bucketing it down and the races carried on fine... i can understand why some of the front runners would lobby charlie whiting asking for a safety cat start and for red flags if it rains because it evens out the field and gives the midfield teams a chance of scoring some solid points which obviously the front teams dont want to happen.

its all becomingh a big joke with the teams at the front having to much power over what happens

Edited by arknor, 12 June 2011 - 18:25.

[Augurk]

wuss sport indeed look at the races during the 90s some times it was absolutely bucketing it down and the races carried on fine...

Silverstone 1998 comes to mind.

[joshb]

Lets get a 24 car bulletin board grid, see who's up for it. Too many 'armchair experts'

We've started in worse, we've seen Adelaide 89/91 Monaco 84 but its not about skill, its about which puddle you go off on

[arknor]

Silverstone 1998 comes to mind.

and spa 98

[Augurk]

and spa 98

I wouldn't classify spa 98 as "carried on fine"

It did carry on though and gave us some spectacle!

[arknor]

I wouldn't classify spa 98 as "carried on fine"

It did carry on though and gave us some spectacle!

well it was one of the worst race conditions in recent history and for the most part the race wasnt to bad is looked very driveable

[Trust]

It has become long time ago.

[DanardiF1]

Indycar & NASCAR stop the race if someone drops a coke on the track or someone sneezes!

Oval racing is a different beast to this... if a 'coke can' or something gets on the track, the pack nature of the racing means that that piece of debris is unavoidable and unsighted...

[Clatter]

They already have special rules for the rain, so that's not a reasonable excuse.

You also have Parc Ferme rules that prevents the teams from changing the cars to a full wet setup.

[Longtimefan]

YES!

95% of Drivers these days are spineless wimps, aka Webber who cry at the first drop of rain.

no doubt drivers of the 60's 70's and 80's will be saddened by these wussies.

[R2D2]

You also have Parc Ferme rules that prevents the teams from changing the cars to a full wet setup.

And wet weather rules that force them to put full wet tyres on.

[chrisj]

It has been for a long time. Plus, Indycar, MotoGP and LeMans are all more entertaining that F1.

[faaaz]

The Title of the thread made me laugh hahah

[Flat Black 84]

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