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#1 velgajski1

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 16:58

Over the last two weeks most talked about topic is Lewis Hamilton reckless driving at Monaco. I thought that in Monaco we should see this behavior more often instead of processional driving, yet Hamilton received heavy criticism from most.

But let this not be the main theme of this topic.

As we can see, there is slight rain 10 minutes before start and Whiting decided that start will be under safety car. We're watching 24 best drivers in the world, why the hell is safety car neccessary to start this race?

In 20 years - will they ban overtakes altogether and drive somekind of hybrid cars? Because this is slowly the way F1 is heading now.

Also, with F1 already being geared towards aero - has F1 already became aerodynamics study rather than racing series with usual elements of racing series being slowly banned?

Edited by velgajski1, 12 June 2011 - 17:00.


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#2 R2D2

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 16:59

Starting a damp race behind the safety car, too. Sheesh.

#3 Grundle

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 17:02

After watching the MotoGP race start under worse conditions, I have to say yes.

#4 jonnoj

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 17:24

Bernie & Co should be done under the Trades Description Act 'cos racing it aint.




#5 ensign14

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 17:36

The latest show car on the basis that it's raining a little bit suggests the answer yes...

#6 R2D2

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 17:43

Maybe they should design the cars so that they work in those conditions? Those that don't will lose the race. <rolls eyes>

#7 Jimisgod

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 17:48

Absolutely.

#8 Scotracer

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 17:50

Lewis driving people off the road is good? :lol:

#9 joshb

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 17:51

Its a pity they didn't start under normal, we've done it with worse weather (Oz 2010 maybe)

but its completely undriveable now, just waiting for someone to go off, its like a pond

#10 Clatter

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 17:52

After watching the MotoGP race start under worse conditions, I have to say yes.


It really amazes me how little some people understand the sport. The issue is because the cars run so close to the ground that they aquaplane on the standing water. This is not an issue with Motorbikes where the tyres can simply do their job.

#11 dbltop

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 17:54

YES! IT IS!! What a joke.

#12 HAM

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:00

Yeah, it is for a couple of yrs now isn't it. MotoGP is always more a sport of men.

#13 sawyer_si

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:00

I would love to see all you moaners racing in 1,2L twingos or something like that around that track in this conditions.

#14 ExFlagMan

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:01

When it rains in Montreal at this time of year it really rains.

In 1986 we went to Montreal for the GP, on the monday after the race on the way to the airport we had a downpour like they have just had then and an artic tanker with about a meter of ground clearance managed to aquaplane and jack-knife on the motorway infront of us. Even the 747 had difficulty taking off in those conditions.

#15 R2D2

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:03

I would love to see all you moaners racing in 1,2L twingos or something like that around that track in this conditions.

Well, 1.2L Twingos aren't designed to do that. But if F1 has to visit tracks where it might rain then should the cars be designed for those conditions? Pinnacle of motor sport, eh?

#16 CaptainJackSparrow

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:03

Def feels like it's becoming wuss sport. I mean the start on the SC, c'mon now.

Edited by CaptainJackSparrow, 12 June 2011 - 18:07.


#17 sawyer_si

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:05

Well, 1.2L Twingos aren't designed to do that. But if F1 has to visit tracks where it might rain then should the cars be designed for those conditions? Pinnacle of motor sport, eh?


No, twingos are designed for rain, F1 cars are not. It only rains in like 10% of the races, why would they design their cars for rain?

#18 ExFlagMan

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:05

MotoGP v F1 - 1" wide contact patch v 12" - 16" wide contact patch - its called aquaplaning - that amount of water a bicycle would get more grip.

#19 ryan86

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:06

The decision to start under the safety car was verging on the soft side.

The decision to red flag the race however was completely right.

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#20 Fastcake

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:07

Well, 1.2L Twingos aren't designed to do that. But if F1 has to visit tracks where it might rain then should the cars be designed for those conditions? Pinnacle of motor sport, eh?

If you designed cars to race more effectively in wet conditions, you'll just be slowing them down significantly everywhere else. Besides, they'll be trundling around at awfully slow speeds like they do now. Won't be racing in the slightest.

#21 VicR

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:07

F1 has been a 'wuss' sport for well over a decade.

#22 ExFlagMan

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:08

When they are lifting drain covers then you know you are in deep trouble.

#23 sheepgobba

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:08

"Who are those wussies?" Nan, they're just F1 drivers.

Edited by sheepgobba, 12 June 2011 - 18:10.


#24 R2D2

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:09

It only rains in like 10% of the races, why would they design their cars for rain?

Because they can? Because we want to actually watch a race? Because it obviously will bring amazing rain technology to 1.2L Twingos and the cars us mere mortals have to drive?

#25 BennyJohnson

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:09

"Who are those wussies?" Nan, they're just are F1 drivers.


Yeah!

We want a Boat Race!!!

I mean... Motor Race...

:rolleyes:

#26 HJS

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:09

are you guys stupid or blind? or both? :lol:
you can't drive in these conditions.

#27 ExFlagMan

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:10

F1 has been a 'wuss' sport for well over a decade.

Then why are you watching it?

#28 sawyer_si

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:11

Because they can? Because we want to actually watch a race? Because it obviously will bring amazing rain technology to 1.2L Twingos and the cars us mere mortals have to drive?


Maybe they should design submarines as well, because they can.

#29 SCUDmissile

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:11

race should have been redflagged, but no way should it have started under safety car.

#30 TheBunk

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:11

Maybe they should change the name of the 'full' wets back to 'monsoon' wets and fool Whiting a bit. First post of me btw.

#31 R2D2

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:11

If you designed cars to race more effectively in wet conditions, you'll just be slowing them down significantly everywhere else.

They already have special rules for the rain, so that's not a reasonable excuse.


#32 ExFlagMan

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:12

Indycar & NASCAR stop the race if someone drops a coke on the track or someone sneezes!

#33 Andy865

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:13

Sensible decision to red.

You could see from the early laps they were really struggling, starting under safety was a good call that lasted too long. The pirelli wets are shit.

#34 VicR

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:14

Then why are you watching it?


Good question. I really don't know. Maybe to have something to complain about.

#35 Stormsky68

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:16

Nope...its always been a wuss sport

Teams should be forced to make wet set ups overnight if rain is probable to ensure maxiumu racing

#36 Fastcake

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:18

They already have special rules for the rain, so that's not a reasonable excuse.

Yes it is, they will require special cars for the wet, cars that are pretty pointless to construct when this amount of rain happens rarely. You also missed the rest of my post, in that the cars still would not be able to race quickly at all. You can't beat physics in pretending that the cars will somehow be just as fast.

#37 arknor

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:24

wuss sport indeed look at the races during the 90s some times it was absolutely bucketing it down and the races carried on fine... i can understand why some of the front runners would lobby charlie whiting asking for a safety cat start and for red flags if it rains because it evens out the field and gives the midfield teams a chance of scoring some solid points which obviously the front teams dont want to happen.

its all becomingh a big joke with the teams at the front having to much power over what happens

Edited by arknor, 12 June 2011 - 18:25.


#38 Augurk

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:25

wuss sport indeed look at the races during the 90s some times it was absolutely bucketing it down and the races carried on fine...

Silverstone 1998 comes to mind.

#39 joshb

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:27

Lets get a 24 car bulletin board grid, see who's up for it. Too many 'armchair experts'

We've started in worse, we've seen Adelaide 89/91 Monaco 84 but its not about skill, its about which puddle you go off on

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#40 arknor

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:27

Silverstone 1998 comes to mind.

and spa 98

#41 Augurk

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:28

and spa 98

I wouldn't classify spa 98 as "carried on fine" :lol:

It did carry on though and gave us some spectacle! :smoking:

#42 arknor

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:30

I wouldn't classify spa 98 as "carried on fine" :lol:

It did carry on though and gave us some spectacle! :smoking:

well it was one of the worst race conditions in recent history and for the most part the race wasnt to bad is looked very driveable

#43 Trust

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:34

It has become long time ago. :wave:

#44 DanardiF1

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:37

Indycar & NASCAR stop the race if someone drops a coke on the track or someone sneezes!


Oval racing is a different beast to this... if a 'coke can' or something gets on the track, the pack nature of the racing means that that piece of debris is unavoidable and unsighted...

#45 Clatter

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:43

They already have special rules for the rain, so that's not a reasonable excuse.


You also have Parc Ferme rules that prevents the teams from changing the cars to a full wet setup.

#46 Longtimefan

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 18:45

YES!

95% of Drivers these days are spineless wimps, aka Webber who cry at the first drop of rain.

no doubt drivers of the 60's 70's and 80's will be saddened by these wussies.

#47 R2D2

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 19:00

You also have Parc Ferme rules that prevents the teams from changing the cars to a full wet setup.

And wet weather rules that force them to put full wet tyres on.

#48 chrisj

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 19:06

It has been for a long time. Plus, Indycar, MotoGP and LeMans are all more entertaining that F1.

#49 faaaz

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 19:18

The Title of the thread made me laugh hahah

#50 Flat Black 84

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 19:25

Becoming?

:lol: