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#1 Disgrace

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:08

Button is under investigation for his clash with Alonso and Hamilton. 20 second penalties are in fashion at the moment. Will he be penalised and lose the race... and thus descend F1 into farce?

Edited by Disgrace, 12 June 2011 - 21:15.


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#2 Atreiu

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:11

We know who certainly would have been penalized...

#3 velgajski1

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:12

We know who certainly would have been penalized...

:up:

However, I hope not because this would be almost at level of Spa 08.

Edited by velgajski1, 12 June 2011 - 21:12.


#4 ForzaGTR

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:13

It would be cruel to punish the race winner, but it has happened before to a particular driver...

#5 blackonyx4

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:13

They`ll shot themselves into foot if they penalised Button.

#6 Seanspeed

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:13

How would it be a farce? The guy TOOK OUT two of his main competitors and went unpenalized for it, while guys in Monaco got penalized for simply causing collisions.

He was already lucky with the safety cars, and he'll be even luckier if he actually gets away with his on-track antics.

#7 jerriy

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:14

If they are consistent they should.

#8 kosmos

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:14

If he is penalized, it will be something for the next race, don't worry, he have his wll deserved win in the pocket.

#9 Slackbladder

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:14

If they do, the gates of hell will open...

#10 Ferrari2183

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:14

He set a purple sector under safety car conditions as well. I don't know if that has been mentioned here and whether it will be investigated. Anyway, it was a fantastic drive. It was surely his best.

#11 Coral

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:15

It happened to Lewis in Spa, so it should now happen to Jenson. A 25-second penalty must be applied for causing Lewis and Alonso to retire from the race. Anything else would be favouritism.

#12 showtime

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:15

The farce would be if he is not penalized after taking two other drivers out of the race. McLaren drivers should stop playing Destruction Derby.

#13 Slyder

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:15

This is gonna be a very tough call for the Stewards.

If Emmo said that Lewis was driving over-aggressive, he might not flinch with Jense here.

This race is not over.

#14 ensign14

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:15

Button is under investigation for his clash with Alonso and Hamilton. 20 second penalties are in fashion at the moment. Will he be penalised and lose the race... and thus descend F1 into farce?

I predicted with about 10 laps to go that Button would win, and would then get a penalty. I'm halfway there.

This actually shows another big downside to the show car. It distorts the whole penalty system. Someone could get a 10s penalty in a "normal" race and lose 1 spot; in a SC race they could end up last...

#15 tmiller

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:15

Jenson also set fastest lap when the yellow was out for Di Resta's crash...


#16 ForzaGTR

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:16

I would put money on them punishing Lewis in an identical situation.

#17 blackonyx4

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:16

How would it be a farce? The guy TOOK OUT two of his main competitors and went unpenalized for it, while guys in Monaco got penalized for simply causing collisions.

He was already lucky with the safety cars, and he'll be even luckier if he actually gets away with his on-track antics.



Need a shoulder to cry? :clap:

#18 Bonaventura

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:16

It happened to Lewis in Spa, so it should now happen to Jenson. A 25-second penalty must be applied for causing Lewis and Alonso to retire from the race. Anything else would be favouritism.

It won't happen it's the right McLaren driver who won

#19 Clatter

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:16

He wasn't to blame for either incident, any penalty would be a disgrace.

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#20 hunnylander

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:16

He will get grid penalty for the next race or nothing.

#21 stillOrange

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:16

If Lewis was not penalised for the incident with Webber then I think Jenson shouldn't be penalised for the incident with Alonso.

#22 Raelene

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:16

ifr any punishment it should hve happend during the race so that MSC wasnt denied his place on the podium :grin:

#23 Bonaventura

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:16

I would put money on them punishing Lewis in an identical situation.

100%
it's sad.

#24 DrF

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:17

He definitely took Alonso out. If he doesn't get some sort of penalty, the stewards are being inconsistent.

#25 Barky

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:17

If he is penalised: nuclear fallout.

If he isn't penalised: nuclear fallout.

#26 ensign14

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:18

It happened to Lewis in Spa, so it should now happen to Jenson. A 25-second penalty must be applied for causing Lewis and Alonso to retire from the race. Anything else would be favouritism.

The problem is implementing post-race. Had they done it IN the race, Button may well have won, given all the SCs wiping out the gaps. Seems a bit odd to implement post-race just because one of the participants was out.

The whole system needs looking at though. Overtaking, the 1 move rule, the nature of penalties...

#27 FenderJaguar

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:18

No he will not be penalized. Reason for it being that unlike a certain other driver - Button didn't do anything wrong. He did some speeding and took a drive through. Otherwise it was a perfect drive.

Edit - no the judges are not inconsistent. Judging is not a popularitycontest. They understand racing and are judges. Not like you. End of.

Edited by FenderJaguar, 12 June 2011 - 21:19.


#28 JtP1

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:19

Previous decisions would seem to lead to the rule "if you win in a MaClaren, you can ram whom you like without penalty"

#29 blackonyx4

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:19

He definitely took Alonso out. If he doesn't get some sort of penalty, the stewards are being inconsistent.



Alonso`s ego was so big that he didnt even see that Button was fully alongside him in corner entry.

#30 Anomnader

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:19

I thought with Alonso it was 50/50, Alonso did turn in.

#31 Slackbladder

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:19

The steward need to thing long and hard, and then again before they strip a winner of the win after the podium...

#32 peroa

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:19

If Lewis was not penalised for the incident with Webber then I think Jenson shouldn't be penalised for the incident with Alonso.

Ahhh, but diResta was, for relatively minor contact.
What now?
The majority on this forum said that diResta in Monaco was precident? WHat about today?

Edited by peroa, 12 June 2011 - 21:21.


#33 prty

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:20

I was thinking during the race that F1 is so wrestling-like that the only way he wouldn't get penalized is him managing to win. Let's see if I'm wrong or not :)

#34 DevilDare

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:20

I reckon the forums should be locked because shit will go down...

Edited by DevilDare, 12 June 2011 - 21:20.


#35 dgduris

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:20

I have been watching F1 races for 30-odd years. THAT was the best F1 race I have ever seen. There is no way that they can penalize him. It would be sad. ANd I am a Tifosi!

#36 velgajski1

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:20

No he will not be penalized. Reason for it being that unlike a certain other driver - Button didn't do anything wrong. He did some speeding and took a drive through. Otherwise it was a perfect drive.


LOL! If stewards were consistent he would be penalised. I hope not, but if he goes unpunished than maybe Lewis racism joke can be taken a bit more serious.


#37 rmac923

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:20

Give him a 24-position penalty for Qualifying in Valencia.

That way, Button keeps the win, but gets severely punished for a (likely) dry race.

#38 ensign14

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:20

I would put money on them punishing Lewis in an identical situation.

They penalized him at Spa 2008, which involved Hamilton crashing into approximately zero drivers...

#39 Hole

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:20

If Alonso or Hamilton had been exactly in Button's situations, both would be punished for sure. Really, McLaren drivers just should understand that there are more people racing in the track.

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#40 Nitropower

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:21

I'm sad for Jenson because I quite fancy the lad but what he did today to Alonso deserves a drive thru penalty (what happened to Lewis is not so clear but it looked like he tried thru the wrong way). And I dislike him getting penalised if it actually happens, because it will favour (again) fingerbrat.

#41 mursuka80

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:21

We know who certainly would have been penalized...


How is the weather in alternate reality?

#42 DrF

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:21

The steward need to thing long and hard, and then again before they strip a winner of the win after the podium...

again

#43 Anomnader

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:22

If Alonso or Hamilton had been exactly in Button's situations, both would be punished for sure. Really, McLaren drivers just should understand that there are more people racing in the track.


I saw a lot of crashings, please don't single out McLaren, makes you opinion looks biased.

Alonso turned in, I go 50/50

#44 Sukhoi

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:23

Next race 5 places gird drop will be fair enough

#45 VicR

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:23

Hamilton's fault and Alonso's fault. The two biggest egos on the grid messed up today.

#46 HAM

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:23

We know who certainly would have been penalized...


Jenson pushed Lewis into the wall while he knew he he was there (he saw him in the mirror). So why not punish? But I hope not.

I think Lewis first attempt with Mark was his fault but the overtake with Jenson was not his fault.

Then the Alonso Button overtake was Alonso's fault.

Edited by HAM, 12 June 2011 - 21:24.


#47 DaiMOn

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:23

Sorry, but he should be penalised. Alonso was in front of him, and the spaniard could've won as well. Jens just made him spin, just like the Hamilton-Massa case back in 2008. Massa got a drive through then, so Button should get +25sec...

Edited by DaiMOn, 12 June 2011 - 21:24.


#48 Jayarem

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:25

Thefarce is that they leave it until after the race to investigate these incidents, theres no excuse for the delay. Should Jenson have got a penalty during the race, people won't feel quite so cheated as they will if he is stripped of his win at this stage. The incident with Lewis happened on Lap 6 (from memory), not only was there another 64 laps, but there was all that time while the race was suspened. Why could that incident not been resolved then?


#49 Coops3

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:25

Whilst I think he was mostly to blame for the Hamilton incident, the Alonso one was Alonso's fault I thought. If he gets his win taken off him, I shall be red with anger!

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:25

IS grid penalty for the next race even an option for a driver who finished a GP?

Edited by wingwalker, 12 June 2011 - 21:26.