From last place to P1 in F1 history
#1
Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:46
Does some one know which drivers won a race while they were also in last postition in a F1 race?
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#2
Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:47
#3
Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:47
Didn't John Watson do this a few times in the '80s? Long Beach and Detroit?
Lets make a list, will be interesting to see how many drivers did that job, lol
#4
Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:48
#5
Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:49
Didn't John Watson do this a few times in the '80s? Long Beach and Detroit?
Yep John Watson, started 22th and won the 1983 Long Beach GP. His team-mate Lauda finished 2nd from 23th
#6
Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:50
DC started on wets but switched to dry tyres on the 2nd lap, he was last for two laps.
Fisi was running 2nd last in early parts of the race, Firman then retired behind him, which left Fisi last for a few laps. Others then pitted which brought him up.
Edited by Bleu, 12 June 2011 - 21:51.
#7
Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:51
#8
Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:51
#9
Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:51
#10
Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:57
I dont think its been ever done in F1.
#11
Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:58
I could be wrong, but I don't believe that Wattie ever ran dead-last in Detroit 1982 or Long Beach 1983.
#12
Posted 12 June 2011 - 21:58
Remember that.
#13
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:05
he was flattered by having a wetsetup and anyone is a master overtaker when u have a ridiculously long DRS zone.Jenson can't overtake.
Remember that.
+ the added downforce from a wetsetup doesnt really give u a straightline penalty with the DRS zones.
a really good drive though but i dont think its as special as it apears
#14
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:06
Edited by ryan86, 12 June 2011 - 22:10.
#15
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:14
he was flattered by having a wetsetup and anyone is a master overtaker when u have a ridiculously long DRS zone.
+ the added downforce from a wetsetup doesnt really give u a straightline penalty with the DRS zones.
a really good drive though but i dont think its as special as it apears
F##k me what does someone have to do to impress you? In any era of F1 it was an epic drive
#16
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:17
he was flattered by having a wetsetup and anyone is a master overtaker when u have a ridiculously long DRS zone.
+ the added downforce from a wetsetup doesnt really give u a straightline penalty with the DRS zones.
a really good drive though but i dont think its as special as it apears
Wet setup certainly helps a lot on dry track when Jense was the fastest guy.
#17
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:19
Didn't John Watson do this a few times in the '80s? Long Beach and Detroit?
Watson did from qualifying there though, and no inclement weather to mix it up...
Not taking anything away from that last 'section' by JB, that was epic.
#18
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:24
ofcourse it will on a cool track it helped him get heat into his slicks on a cold moist trackWet setup certainly helps a lot on dry track when Jense was the fastest guy.
#19
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:29
Jenson can't overtake.
Remember that.
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#20
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:36
Alonso was last at the time Piquet crashed at Singapore.
#21
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:38
ofcourse it will on a cool track it helped him get heat into his slicks on a cold moist track
Part of a drivers job is to set the car up for the conditions. So he not only outdrove everyone he also set his car up better which helped him do it! Duh
#22
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:39
#23
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:40
Button was 21st and last on lap 40, the lap the safety car went in. 30 laps later he was 1st.
#24
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:41
John Watson - Long Beach 1983
David Coultahrd - Melbourne 2003
Giancarlo Fisichella - Interlagos 2003.
Kimi Räikkönen - Suzuka ?
Fernando Alonso - Singapore 2008
Jenson Button - Montreal 2011
#25
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:42
Didn't Webber drop back to dead last after his first pitstop in China earlier this year?
Think so but finished 3rd of course.
#26
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:42
Didn't Webber drop back to dead last after his first pitstop in China earlier this year?
Nope. And he didnt win that race either.
#27
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:44
Think so but finished 3rd of course.
Nope. And he didnt win that race either.
Oh yeah.
Sorry I've only had a couple of hours of sleep
#28
Posted 12 June 2011 - 22:51
A little of topic but Larry Perkins won Bathurst abut 94. At the end of the first lap he was 30 sec behind the field with a flat tyre and because of some good driving and luck with the never ending 'safety?' cars won convincingly.
#29
Posted 13 June 2011 - 00:33
F##k me what does someone have to do to impress you? In any era of F1 it was an epic drive
Jenson's drive would probably have been ranked higher by some forum members if he was called Michael Schumacher
#30
Posted 13 June 2011 - 00:37
he was flattered by having a wetsetup and anyone is a master overtaker when u have a ridiculously long DRS zone.
+ the added downforce from a wetsetup doesnt really give u a straightline penalty with the DRS zones.
a really good drive though but i dont think its as special as it apears
I think you're confusing 'special' with 'inexplicable'.
#31
Posted 13 June 2011 - 00:59
Not F1, but with the safety car help and lateness of the charge (and the somewhat dodgy moves Button pulled), I was reminded of Alex Zanardi at Long Beach in 1998. Now that was a race.
From a lap down. Incredible race.
#32
Posted 13 June 2011 - 01:09
doing that sort of thing is not that uncommon with safety cars.
Actually Jenson didn't really benefit from the safety cars. The last one closed the field up, but Jenson was catching the leaders so quickly that he would have been in the same position without it.
Actually the BBC commentators thought the last SC had worked against Jenson, by losing his momentum and tyre temperature.
#33
Posted 13 June 2011 - 03:57
It would of been more impressive without drs, which helped him a bunch, including sucking up to seb, and if webber hadnt screwed up at the end. and he did take out his teammate and alonso accidently. but it is what it is and he took advantage of situations and drs and won. and pushed seb into a mistake.
mcnish/dindo started petit le mans two laps down and won
#34
Posted 13 June 2011 - 04:03
Jenson's drive would probably have been ranked higher by some forum members if he was called Michael Schumacher
...or Lewis Hamilton, or Alonso... this was an epic battle by him, he just went up a notch in my books from "almost as good as" to "as good as anyone on his day". What a drive Jenson!
#35
Posted 13 June 2011 - 04:06
its rare even in nascar apart from plate tracks, and discounting those who stay out to lead a lap during pitstops.
It would of been more impressive without drs, which helped him a bunch, including sucking up to seb, and if webber hadnt screwed up at the end. and he did take out his teammate and alonso accidently. but it is what it is and he took advantage of situations and drs and won. and pushed seb into a mistake.
mcnish/dindo started petit le mans two laps down and won
DRS did help, but Canada is still a slipstreaming track, and I think Jenson was quick enough at the end to get by WEB and MSC at least without it
I still can't get over the finish though: with 30 laps to go I thought 'if you can rescue a few points Jense that'll be great'... he passes his way (without DRS) up to 11th, pits for slicks at a good time that nets him a few places (putting him about 6th IIRC), and then goes ballistic with his speed!
He's been this quick at several times this year, Monaco, Australia (after his drive-through), Malaysia... everywhere except Turkey (though that was partly strategy) he's been up there... his middle stint in Monaco was as impressive as this final one yesterday though, both magnificent drives...
Edited by DanardiF1, 13 June 2011 - 04:09.
#36
Posted 13 June 2011 - 04:16
#37
Posted 13 June 2011 - 05:11
That was Germany 2000. Also Schumacher was dead last in Malaysia 2001 after he had to wait behind Barrichello during the pit lane mayhem. He was up into first place in approximately 15 laps if I remember correctly.in 2001 Barichello qualified 18th and ended up winning, I think getting his first GP win. While not last it was still a good drive, he only had Minardi's and Prosts behind him which wouldn't have been a problem for his World Championship winning Ferrari.
There are more races in the 80s, I am just not able to place them now. Didnt Lauda have an incredible last to first race in 82/83 ?
#38
Posted 13 June 2011 - 05:44
Not to take anything away from a brilliant drive by Jenson, but if it wasn't for the multiple SCs and race suspension, he wouldn't have stood a chance to win.
Watson & Lauda at Long Beach '83 were brilliant 'authentic' back of the grid to win/2nd drives.
#39
Posted 14 June 2011 - 23:07
Surely the multiple Safety Cars and race suspension thwarts this ''last to first'' statistic.
Not to take anything away from a brilliant drive by Jenson, but if it wasn't for the multiple SCs and race suspension, he wouldn't have stood a chance to win.
With 30 laps to go, Jenson was dead last.
There was only one SC after this point, and Jenson only gained a few seconds. Before the SC he was so much faster than the leaders, he was on track to catch them anyway.
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#40
Posted 14 June 2011 - 23:21
That was Germany 2000. Also Schumacher was dead last in Malaysia 2001 after he had to wait behind Barrichello during the pit lane mayhem. He was up into first place in approximately 15 laps if I remember correctly.
There are more races in the 80s, I am just not able to place them now. Didnt Lauda have an incredible last to first race in 82/83 ?
Indeed he was. That race serves to prove that safety car farces have been around for more than a decade!
#41
Posted 14 June 2011 - 23:41
#42
Posted 15 June 2011 - 00:20
There was a safety car in the Canadian GP 1973Indeed he was. That race serves to prove that safety car farces have been around for more than a decade!
Edited by LB, 15 June 2011 - 00:22.
#43
Posted 15 June 2011 - 00:28
There was a safety car in the Canadian GP 197something (1)?
Sure. The key word in my sentence however, was "farce".
In the 2001 Malaysian race, the Ferraris were the only cars to switch to intermediates. When the safety car was deployed, cars were aquaplaning left, right and centre even on the full wet but the SC duly stayed on track for enough laps for the intermediate to be 4 or 5 seconds per lap faster than the full wet one the race got going.
Edited by Dunder, 15 June 2011 - 00:29.
#44
Posted 15 June 2011 - 01:24
(Thread title says "to P1," which Clark did, though he didn't stay there till the win.)
#45
Posted 15 June 2011 - 06:20
And it was such a balls-up they dropped them for 20 years. To this day nobody knows who REALLY won.There was a safety car in the Canadian GP 1973
#46
Posted 15 June 2011 - 07:06
I think he had only Stewart behind him, who had pitted before.As we all know, Clark was over a lap down halfway through the 1967 Italian GP, but I don't know if he was actually last. Anyone?
(Thread title says "to P1," which Clark did, though he didn't stay there till the win.)
#47
Posted 15 June 2011 - 07:24
From a lap down. Incredible race.
I still feel sorry for the poor Herta.
#48
Posted 15 June 2011 - 07:33
Awesome drive from Jense 99% perfect race (would been 100% without the Lewis push into wall incident).
is speeding under the safety car a condition of driving a perfect race then?
last 30 laps might have been perfect, the first 40 were obviously pretty poor or he wouldnt have been last
#49
Posted 15 June 2011 - 07:39
Edited by ivand911, 15 June 2011 - 07:44.
#50
Posted 15 June 2011 - 07:40
Bitter much?With last SC he gain 10 sec to Vettel. Who think that with 10 sec more to Vettel, he would have won? Without DRS, he didn't have chance to overtake MS. Webber made so many mistakes, he was easy even without DRS. DRS and SC and fast car made this possible. Not JB.