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#151 Graham Clayton

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 22:27

The Overseas Passenger Terminal Sweeper on the former Wellington street circuit in New Zealand went through the main gate of the terminal, as seen in this footage of the 1986 Wellington 500:

 

http://youtu.be/bA6VqI1-MVg?t=1m19s



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#152 Graham Clayton

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 10:01

One of the major problems of the pit lane at the inaugral Las Vegas Grand Prix in 1981 was that there were no garages for the teams. The pit crews had to work on their cars under the blazing sun, only a metre or so away from cars traversing the pit lane:

 

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Were dedicated garages installed for the 1982 Las Vegas Grand Prix?



#153 Spaceframe

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 13:44

The Roskilde Ring (some 20 miles west of Copenhagen, Denmark) circuit initially (in the mid-1950s) was an oval with banked turns at both ends of the tiny straights (the original circuit was only half a mile or thereaboutsin length), and both bankings featured advertisments painted in white on the tarmac. Quite an experience in a wet race!

 

Later the circuit was increased with an extra loop, and the new corners got the paint treatment as well - this longer circuit was used for the only two F1 races ever held in Denmark, the 1961 and 1962 Copehagen GPs.



#154 Graham Clayton

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 11:33

The Oakland Stadium in San Leandro, California in the 1950's had paved straights and dirt turns.



#155 mymemoryfails

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 12:42

I have just spent a small portion of today at a ridiculous part of a race track. Face full into antarctic wind and rain as I point a camera towards the action at the aptly named "Siberia" corner at Phillip Island.

 

 

good view though when I eventually got to see.

 

 

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#156 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 21:13

The Oakland Stadium in San Leandro, California in the 1950's had paved straights and dirt turns.

A number of British stock cars in the 50s/60s featured concrete start lines for the speedway bikes that also ran there. Must have been like hitting one of those bloody traffic-calming things when the track was soft and getting chewed up!



#157 HistoricMustang

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 20:58

The pit lane at the Augusta road circuit was over 3000 feet long and pit exit was right in the middle of cemetery turn.

 

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#158 D-Type

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 12:55

Where is cemetery turn on that photo?  At the arrowhead of  3 mile Road Circuit  perhaps?



#159 Catalina Park

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 18:25

Left hand top corner close to the two mile tri oval arrow. (The circuit boundary goes around the cemetary)

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#160 D-Type

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:12

I think I understand.  Was the road circuit run anticlockwise?



#161 Graham Clayton

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 07:19

The Fulford-By-The-Sea ¼-mile board track near Miami, FL. had 50° degree banking in the bends. Have there been any other board/superspeedway tracks that have 50°+ degree banking?


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#162 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 12:04

Miami-Fulford Speedway had the steepest banking of the 24 American board tracks built for automobile racing, but most of the earlier motordromes, which were smaller, circular tracks built for motorcycles, had even steeper banking, up to 62 degrees.

The concrete oval of Sitges-Terramar in Spain was probably also up there, although I've never seen an actual figure quoted for that oval.

#163 Graham Clayton

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 06:54

Hancock County Speedway, Britt, Iowa – no safety fence on the back straight, just a corn field to slow you down if you get out of shape:

 

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#164 reynard883

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:15

Hancock County Speedway, Britt, Iowa – no safety fence on the back straight, just a corn field to slow you down if you get out of shape:

 

 

That’s just like the Snetterton first corner runoff.  I was once forced of the track in an F3 car there and disappeared into the corn.  I knew the track was somewhere to the right so I just kept my foot in and appeared right in line of the back straight bursting out of the corn and a fair speed.  It really shocked the following cars!

It didn’t last long though as the rads were full of corn! 



#165 Allan Lupton

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 13:21

That’s just like the Snetterton first corner runoff.  I was once forced of the track in an F3 car there and disappeared into the corn.  I knew the track was somewhere to the right so I just kept my foot in and appeared right in line of the back straight bursting out of the corn and a fair speed.  It really shocked the following cars!

It didn’t last long though as the rads were full of corn! 

Good job when we say "corn" we mean wheat - had it been what they call "corn" in the USofA (which is maize as shown in Graham's picture) it would have stopped any F3 car and inflicted severe damage doing so.



#166 LittleChris

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 20:31

Before the corn/wheat, wasn't the run off at Riches composed of a cabbage field ?

 

I wouldn't have fancied being the recipient of a fully grown Dutch White being flicked up by an errant single seater :eek:



#167 DavidI

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 00:51

The Mt Cotton hillclimb course has a 2 downhill runs (out of each loop, to the hairpin), and the piece of road between the first loop and the hairpin is travelled on twice on each run, once in each direction:

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You can also see "the nuts" referred to in an earlier post, a large pile of macadamia nut shells in lieu of a sand trap, visible in the background here:

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Very effective, very little damage done to a car, and if you happen to get some lodged between an exhaust manifold and a heat shield you will get a lovely aroma of roasted nuts every time you warm up your engine :-)



#168 Barry Boor

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 05:29

The Xaghra (pronounced SHARA) hill climb on the Maltese Island of Gozo also has a section of road that is traversed in both directions before and after the cars run around a roundabout.

There is a chicane on this section of road that is also negotiated from both directions.

Edited by Barry Boor, 05 June 2014 - 05:30.


#169 nicanary

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 10:32

Before the corn/wheat, wasn't the run off at Riches composed of a cabbage field ?

 

I wouldn't have fancied being the recipient of a fully grown Dutch White being flicked up by an errant single seater :eek:

Yes, it was - certainly when I were a lad. The infamous cabbage field of Freddy Dixon fame in Dundonald is now lawns surrounding a fairly large bungalow.



#170 PayasYouRace

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 09:13

The new-for-2011 Baltimore street course, due to a lack of space, had pit spaces down the entire length of the right side of pit lane, plus spaces for a few cars on the left side. Has this ever happened before?

 

I remember from a NASCAR sim that Sears Point used to have a long pitlane on one side of the track and a short pitlane on the other side for cars that wouldn't fit in the main one. If you had to pit in the short one you had to wait a few seconds before leaving your box.



#171 Graham Clayton

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Posted 08 June 2014 - 05:49

The Gelsenkirchen/ALMA track which operated in Germany between 1969 and 1984. Unlike other ovals, with two straights and equal radius corners, this track had two unequal size corners plus two kinks on the straights:

 

 

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http://www.simonlewis.com/alma.html



#172 427MkIV

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 13:11

The original Detroit Grand Prix layout had not just a hairpin but a U-turn followed by a 90-degree right. Cars in traffic nearly had to stop a few times during the race to get through. The U-turn was eliminated the next year.

 

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#173 MaxCrazyEddieCayer

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 12:28

Circuit Gilles Villeneuve had a wierd looking chicane for about 2 years in 1994-95 just before the now defunct casino kinck, for 1996 they simply made the thing into the current back straight. I liked the old configuration much better. ( without the chicane that is)

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 15:04

Good job when we say "corn" we mean wheat - had it been what they call "corn" in the USofA (which is maize as shown in Graham's picture) it would have stopped any F3 car and inflicted severe damage doing so.

No it was maize. The front wing works very well at cutting!



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 18:01

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the street course in Whanganui, New Zealand.  In terms of odd ambience, you can't really beat racing around a cemetery...


Edited by neiltipton, 16 July 2014 - 18:01.


#176 nitrocosworth

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 21:10

That is incredibly creepy. :eek:



#177 William Hunt

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 23:02

it could be convenient as well :smoking:



#178 Graham Clayton

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 05:55

I should mention the "Singapore Rally", which instead of being held on open roads, takes place in three car parks outside the National Stadium. In the 1999 event, won by Possum Bourne, there were 16 stages totalling 30 kilometres, with the total elapsed time of just 15 minutes! Is this event still being held each year?

 



#179 Graham Clayton

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 06:49

There is an entrance to the pits at the hairpin bend at Phillip Island. Are there any other circuits that have a pit access road located halfway around the circuit?



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#180 GMACKIE

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 07:17

Not halfway, but Bathurst has a second entrance, off Mountain Straight.

 

Eastern Creek - or whatever it is this week - also has a second entrance.


Edited by GMACKIE, 11 September 2014 - 07:19.


#181 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 08:22

There used to be a back entry to the Lakeside pits...

That would have been close to halfway around.

Did the original Wanneroo pits have a back entry too?

Lowood probably had a back entry, while I wouldn't mind betting that you could turn off Bundall Road and go back to the pits at Southport.

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 12:07

There is an entrance to the pits at the hairpin bend at Phillip Island. Are there any other circuits that have a pit access road located halfway around the circuit?

 

It's reasonably common - most circuits have an additional access to the paddock at least, if not the actual pit lane. 

 

On an unrelated note, I stumbled across another oddity the other day - the temporary Belgian circuit at Ciney.   This wound its way round the glamorous surroundings of a rural cattle market...   Must have made quite a contrast to Spa!

 


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#183 alansart

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 12:52

There is an entrance to the pits at the hairpin bend at Phillip Island. Are there any other circuits that have a pit access road located halfway around the circuit?

There was a link to the pit lane from Bottom Bend at Brands Hatch. IIRC it was why James Hunt was finally disqualified from the 76 GP as he used it instead of doing a full lap when (or before) the race was stopped.



#184 JacnGille

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 13:31

Are there any other circuits that have a pit access road located halfway around the circuit?

Road America/Elkhart Lake has a shortcut from T5.



#185 Risil

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 18:43

There is an entrance to the pits at the hairpin bend at Phillip Island. Are there any other circuits that have a pit access road located halfway around the circuit?

 

At Mugello you can access the pitlane via a right-hander just after the Casanova bend. I'm not sure if it's still used now but when I was there in 2011 the MotoGP riders were using it all through practice.



#186 BRG

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 10:45

 

On an unrelated note, I stumbled across another oddity the other day - the temporary Belgian circuit at Ciney.   This wound its way round the glamorous surroundings of a rural cattle market...   Must have made quite a contrast to Spa!

This is fascinating.  At first I thought it was a misspelling of Chimay (which is not so far away in fact) but no.  I think I can see it on Google Maps, but it really looks an unlikely place, even for Belgium where using public roads for racing and rallies is commonplace.  Does anyone know more of the racing history of this place?  Was it a bizarre one-off (like that Singen circuit round an industrial estate that DTM once used)?

 

As for the driving standards shown, words fail me....



#187 Allan Lupton

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 13:13

As for the driving standards shown, words fail me....

As they were saying 100 years ago, "poor little Belgium"



#188 Rob Semmeling

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Posted Yesterday, 10:59

In the shocking-lack-of-safety-consciousness category: here is a video of the 2009 Circuit des Cayes street race in Haiti:

 

 

The 1970 Isreal Grand Prix comes to mind... :eek:

 

Check out the reaction of the crowd and the 'marshalls' after a car spins @ 2.45 ... !



#189 Rob Semmeling

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Posted Yesterday, 11:04

Does anyone know more of the racing history of this place?  Was it a bizarre one-off (like that Singen circuit round an industrial estate that DTM once used)?

 

From my website:

 

When the 1990 Brussels Trophy of the Belgian production touring car championship was cancelled, it was replaced by a new race in Ciney, where a circuit of approximately 1.9 to 2.0 km was laid out in the parking lot of the local cattle market. The Trophée Belga was held there in October 1990, but for the second race in June 1991, the course was reversed and seemingly also shortened to circa 1.55 km. Jean-Michel Martin (BMW M3) put in the fastest lap of 0.53,03 = circa 105.2 km/h that year. The crude and tight Ciney circuit was not very popular, however, and so it was dropped in favour of the permanent facility of Colmar-Berg in Luxembourg after just two years.


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#190 Rob Semmeling

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Posted Yesterday, 11:12

Singen, incidentally, was not a one-off: DTM raced on the 2.8 km 'Alemannenring' street circuit from 1991-1995. Support races included the Porsche Cup and German Formula 3.

 

In addition, the Singen street circuit was originally used for motorcycle races in 1980 and 1981.



#191 Lee Nicolle

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Posted Yesterday, 22:52

There is an entrance to the pits at the hairpin bend at Phillip Island. Are there any other circuits that have a pit access road located halfway around the circuit?

The pit entrance really is only one turn away from the lane. AFAIK it has been like that since the circuit was rebuilt for the bike GP. The paddock return road though is half a lap away down at Honda corner. I once got baulked by someone mid race who had 'had enough'!

Mallala pit entrance too is a corner short of the lane. As is Bathurst too really