Old American circuits
#201
Posted 09 September 2011 - 16:31
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#202
Posted 09 September 2011 - 17:05
#203
Posted 17 September 2011 - 07:47
#204
Posted 17 September 2011 - 15:09
#205
Posted 18 September 2011 - 09:34
I reckon the answer is in Martin Rudow's book "Weekends of Glory", but unfortunately I only have its predecessor "Long Straights and Hairpin Turns". Maybe someone who has the book can have a look.
#206
Posted 18 September 2011 - 21:16
Do you have any idea of what tracks were used and how many of those still exist?
The H.A.M.B. has a lot of info, but that site needs some sort of organization- BADLY.
Edited by Bob Riebe, 18 September 2011 - 21:16.
#207
Posted 19 September 2011 - 06:23
Can anyone tell me a little about the races in Ocean Shores, Washington in the late 1960s? What kind of circuit was used and how many races were held there?
According to Martin, "...on largely empty city streets that had been laid down in preparation for an anticipated housing boom...A flat course just over two miles with 14 turns..." Lot of problems with sand. Just one event there, in 1968.
Vince H.
#208
Posted 19 September 2011 - 08:02
#209
Posted 03 October 2011 - 08:37
Garden City, Kansas Airport runways not used, just the roads of what had once been living quarters area
Phil, do you have a circuit map of Garden City or anything that might pinpoint where it was? The track was opened in October 1962 with the support of Garden City Shrine and was described in late 1963 as "Shrine Raceway Track", "ten miles east of Garden City, just east of the Municipal Airport". The SCCA listed it as a 1.86-mile track and a SCCA National was held there as late as 1966.
I can't see anything on Google Maps that looks like the remnants of a race track. Can you give me any more clues?
#210
Posted 03 October 2011 - 19:20
Phil: Thanks for your great input
And then there was Longview, where the Texas Region held its Roundup Races on May 1, 1960. A 2.88-mile track was laid out at Gregg County Airport and Jim Hall's Birdcage won the Feature over Hap Sharp's Cooper/Maserati. The location turned out to be unpopular because of the gravelly track surface and frequent interruptions by air traffic. The Region soon found an alternative in nearby Green Valley.
all research: Willem Oosthoek
I have just found today an old scan of an ariticle on the Longview race with results:
cliff reuter
#211
Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:43
Phil, do you have a circuit map of Garden City or anything that might pinpoint where it was? The track was opened in October 1962 with the support of Garden City Shrine and was described in late 1963 as "Shrine Raceway Track", "ten miles east of Garden City, just east of the Municipal Airport". The SCCA listed it as a 1.86-mile track and a SCCA National was held there as late as 1966.
I can't see anything on Google Maps that looks like the remnants of a race track. Can you give me any more clues?
Allan, I'm sorry I don't have anything which shows the track layout. I suspect most of the roads have been plowed under and replaced with new, like the runways on the airport apparently have. The original track was narrow two lane asphalt and it began breaking up the first year we ran there. In fact they had to patch several turns where the bigger cars tore out large chunks of pavement creating instant potholes. As I recall the only part of the track added for us was a couple of short sections and a hairpin. The configuration was pretty much standard street course with right angle turns connected by straight sections. I do seem to remember a dogleg leading onto the pit straight. There were remnants of concrete foundation pads, which came in handy one year when it rained heavily and turned the pits into a quagmire.
All-in-all not a great course, but the people of Garden City were first class and treated us like visiting royalty.
Phil
#212
Posted 06 October 2011 - 19:58
Edited by Aero426, 06 October 2011 - 20:59.
#213
Posted 06 October 2011 - 21:06
I well recall that barn though I was 7 when the track closed. Very nostalgic, and Thanks for posting it. That's enough to get me for a look next time I go "home" to Oconomowoc (and maybe why they painted it ).
#214
Posted 07 October 2011 - 02:55
#215
Posted 07 October 2011 - 05:57
Are the grid spots still on the subdivision pavement, or paved over? [assuming the latter by now!]
Is there a story behind the photo?
Surely you know of the Meadowdale book.... Pretty incredible anyone would do a book about that wonderful circuit 40-odd years later. I'll never forget the Monza Wall:
http://www.aleopubli...eadowdale_.html
#216
Posted 07 October 2011 - 14:07
The gentleman in the photo was a South Bend Region member. He and his brother often did tech at Road America in those days. He told me about driving to RA in those days on Lake Shore Drive in Chicago and taking the two lanes once into Wisconsin. It must have been a slow go.
The Meadowdale book came out very nice, and I also recommend it.
Edited by Aero426, 07 October 2011 - 14:08.
#217
Posted 08 October 2011 - 01:42
#219
Posted 12 October 2011 - 10:22
I have a couple of operatives - including a CART diehard who lives about 3 blocks away - ready to check out ARP.
As for other tracks for Pete to document...how about Dillingham Field on Oahu?
TheUnions,
Here is a 1947 aerial photo of Dillingham:
http://hiavps.com/Ai.....047 small.jpg
I presume that the track used the runway plus the loop at the top of the picture?
The track length is listed as
The front cover of the program for the April 1957 Hawaii International Sports Car Speed Week:
http://www.progcover...field570421.jpg
Entry list for the May 1958 Hawaii Intrernational Sports Car Week:
http://www.racingspo...1958-05-11e.jpg
A complete list of all races in Hawaii:
http://www.racingspo...ive/Hawaii.html
Were all of these held at Dillingham Field?
#221
Posted 13 October 2011 - 03:07
Thanks for another view back to a childhood track.
#222
Posted 11 April 2023 - 06:04
I attended the SCCA race at Rattlesnake with my folks. Dad and I were members of the PanAm Region Flagging and Communications Team and worked corners at races in the SW (Tucson, Ft. Sumner, Deming, Bottomless Lakes, Juarez, Midland Airpark, and the Las Cruces Airport). Fortunately we were not working the Rattlesnake races because it was so cold and we could get into the car to warm up. We toured the Chaparral shop on Saturday and one of the things I remember most was the Chevy engines sitting on the shop floor. The driver of an Elva MkVI let me warm up the engine while he attended the Sunday morning drivers' meeting; pretty cool stuff for a 15 year old kid! There was a Chevy engined, pontoon fendered Ferrari Testa Rossa. Does anyone remember who the owner and driver were? It still had the original exhaust which gave it a unique sound.
Mark Stevenson
Deming Municipal Airport races, Luna County, New Mexico, Pan American Region of the SCCA, 25-26 May 1963
(first to be held in the area since the 1960 race held in El Paso.)
Race 1, 5 laps — Taylor
Hohlonkamp, AC-Bristol; James
Nechero, Chevrolet Corvette; Pete Ponder,
Lotus 7-1500. 9 entries
Race 2, 5 laps — Juan Jacquez,
Triumph TR-3; Gerry Sanders,
Triumph TR-3; Clyde Sebastian,
Austin Healey Sprite. 6 entries
Race 3, 5 laps — James Moison,
Lotus Jr; Charles McKevitt,
Triumph TR-4; Bill Blatt, Lotus 18.
10 entries
Race 4, 5 laps — Glen Kelty,
Lotus Super 7; Bill Blackburn,
Lotus Super 7; James Nechero,
Corvette. 5 entries
Race 5, 5 laps — Bob Montana,
Cooper Monaco, Joe Starkey,
BMC Sr.; Pete Ponder, Lotus 7-1500.
6 entries
Race 6, 5 laps — Bill Blatt,
Lotus; James Moison, Lotus Jr;
Glen Kelty, Lotus Super 7
17 entries
Race 7, 5 laps — Bill Obenour,
Triumph TR-4; Paul McGinley,
Triumph TR-3; Neal Genda, MGA-TC.
12 entries
Race 8, 25 laps — Bob Montana,
Cooper Monaco; Bill Blatt, Lotus 18;
Lee Adams, Chevrolet Corvette.
16 entries
Race 9, 25 laps — Charles McKevitt,
Triumph TR-4; Bill Obenour,
Triumph TR-4; Ken Adams,
Austin Healey 3000.
12 entries
Race 10. A Challenge Race —
"No report."
Deming Municipal Airport races, New Mexico, regional championship, 26-27 October 1963
Sponsored by Deming Lions Club in co-operation with the Pan American Region of the SCCA.
"Placings in the four 50-mile races held Sunday afternoon follow:"
Race 12
1st Gerald Sanders, Triumph TR3, F-Prod
2nd Don Hill, Triumph TR3, F-Prod
3rd Jack Miller, Fiat 1500, G-Prod
4th John Herbert, Austin Healy Sprite, H-Prod
5th Lewis Russell, Triumph Spitfire, G-Prod
6th Herbert Trotzky, MGA, F-Prod
7th Les Mogge, Abarth 750, H-Prod
8th George Weidner, Triumph TR3, F-Prod
DNF Charles Weaver, Formula V, F/V
Race 13, E-Production
1st Alois Jobst, Porsche
2nd Bill Blackburn, Austin Healey
3rd Bill Obenour, Porsche
4th Louis Werthmuller, Porsche
5th Don Johnson, Porsche
6th Owen Oates, MGA
7th Lynn Stevens, Porsche
8th Claude Gilmore, #51 Porsche
DNF Charles Bruce, Austin Healey; Jack Rowe, Austin Healey
Race 14
1st Glenn Keitz, Lotus S7, B/P
2nd Charles McKevett, TR4, D/P
3rd Norman Steward, TR4, D/P
4th Don McGaffee, TR4, D/P
5th Boyd McLeod, Alfa Spider, D/P
6th Fritz Taylor, AC Bristol, C/P
7th Merrill Kenyon, Alfa, D/M
DNF Ken Haynes, Alfa Veloce, D/P
Race 15
1st Bill Blatt, Lotus 18, Formula Junior
2nd Tracy Bird, Tucson, Arizona, Maserati Type 61, D/M
3rd Jim Moisen, Lotus 18, Formula Junior
4th Joe Starkey, Roswell, N.M., BMC-Jr, Formula Junior
5th Barry Oneto, Cassidy Special, F/M
6th Don Kundick, Elva, G/M
7th Ned Alderman, Lotus 7, G/M
8th John Herbert, Bristol-Chev, C/M
DNF N. R. White, Elva F/Jr; Wayne Jones, Cooper Jr., Formula Junior
"Next race in the Southwest will be Nov. 2 and 3 when the regional races of the Alamo Region are held in Seguin, Tex."
See: https://forums.autos...p/#entry8208384
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Edited by Rupertlt1, 11 April 2023 - 06:34.
#223
Posted 12 April 2023 - 15:55
Thanks Rupert. These were the 2 races Dad and I worked flagging and communications at Deming.
May, 1963, Race 2: Gerry Sanders was from El Paso, TX and had a very fast TR3. He was able to qualify for the ARRC Runoffs despite the PanAm Region being moved to the Southern Pacific Division and racing against the Cal Club hotshoes.
Race 5: Joe Starkey's "BMC Sr." was a rear engined formula junior that was fitted with an Alfa engine and classed in Formula Libre if not at this race then the Alfa was installed soon after. The next year we saw Starkey and the car was at Ft. Sumner, NM in the spring and the RR suspension failed on our corner. The car was sold to an Alfa racer named Harry Cecil of El Paso. Starkey moved on to his Elva Mk.7
Races 7 & 9: Bill Obenour in a TR4, very rare since he mainly raced a Porsche.
Race 8: Bill Blatt and James Moison raced identical Lotus 18 Formula Juniors. One or both of these guys were from Tucson, AZ. I am pretty sure that this is the race I remember well because Moison is not listed a a finisher. These two put on a great race with many passes and re-passes until Moison pulled off the track and coasted to a stop at our corner station (corner 2). I walked over to the car and he was yelling something that I really couldn't understand because he still had his helmet on and a bandana across his mouth. Once they were removed it was clear he was grinning and laughing about how much fun he had been having. Tracy Bird was entered in his ex-Jack Hinkle Maserati 200S #9, but I don't see him listed. I also remember Hap Sharp racing his bobtail Cooper Monaco #95.
October, 1963: Race 13: Bill Obenour back in his Porsche where he belonged.
Race 14: Unfortunately Ken Haynes would later lose his life at a race at Bottomless Lakes State Park in Roswell, NM in 1965 I think it was.
Race 15: Tracy Bird in the beautiful ex-Hinkle Birdcage Maserati. Bird later would buy Hinkle's Cooper-Ferrari.
The Cassidy Special was a beautiful Borgward powered homebuilt from El Paso.
John Herbert's Bristol-Chevy was actually an Arnolt Bristol-Chevy. Ron Hunter was entered in a Chevy powered OSCA MT-8(?).
And finally, there was a Lotus 23 entered but I am not 100% sure who was driving. I think it was Edna Sherman from Colorado. I have a photo but it's too far away and partially hidden behind a stack of tires to see much detail.
Thanks for the memories,
Mark
#224
Posted 20 April 2023 - 05:54
Deer Park, Spokane, 4 September 1960, 2.75-mile course
First Race
Novices—1. Jim Sturgeon, Trail, B.C., Austin Healey;
2. Carol Michael, Richland, Triumph TR-3;
3. Zelma Moore, Vancouver, B.C., Lotus.
Second Race
Class G—1. Glen Evans, Spokane, MGA;
2. John Hall, Vancouver, B.C., Porsche;
3. Bob McLean, Vancouver, B.C., MGA.
Class H—1. Paul Jaremko, Spokane, A-H Sprite;
2. Mike Proctor, Vancouver, B.C., A-H Sprite;
3. Lester Ludwigson, Kent, A-H Sprite.
Class I—1. Manfred Laubach, Port Coquitlam, B.C., DKW;
2. Lloyd Messersmith, Wenatchee, Morgan;
3. Terry Rosenquist, Spokane, Renault.
Third Race
Class A—1. Starr Calvert, Seattle, Chevrolet Corvette;
Class C—Dave Tatom, Vancouver, B.C., Porsche;
Class D—Ralph Livermore, Alfa Romeo;
Class E—Milt Davis, Porsche; Robert Michael,
Richland, Triumph TR-3;
Class F—Dave Anderson, Spokane, MGA.
Fourth Race
Modifieds—1. Jerry Grant, Seattle, Ferrari;
2. Tom Veness, Renton, Veness Special;
3. Ron Lee, Seattle, Lotus.
Fifth Race
Ladies—1. Carol Michael, Richland, Triumph TR-3;
2. Zelma Moore, Vancouver, B.C., Lotus;
3. Mrs. B. Ray, Austin Healey
Sixth Race
Formula Libre—1. Jerry Grant, Seattle, Ferrari;
2. Stan Burnett, Burnett special;
3. Jim Rattenbury, Porsche special.
The Spokesman-Review, Spokane, Washington, Monday, 5 September 1960
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#225
Posted 20 April 2023 - 06:39
This thread started by reminiscing about the birdcage Maserati, here driven by Bob Drake:
"Drake is no clown. This Spring, he took Joe Lubin’s Birdcage Maserati and put on a fantastic show in a very tough league. Of eight races entered, he won five, failed to finish two and in the eighth was forced back to second in the final laps when the oil fell out of the rear end. The car had changed owners before the eighth event and it changed drivers afterwards. Just for kicks, Drake drove Max Balchowsky’s Old Yaller II in a race in which the new owner-new driver Birdcage was entered. Drake was leading the Saturday event by such a healthy margin that the Birdcage was prudently withdrawn from both that and the Sunday feature."
"Drake displays his customary good humor as he wheels the Birdcage Maser to another win at Vaca Valley. That’s a prancing donkey on his crash hat."
Sports Cars Illustrated, January 1961, Pages 42-43
Second at Riverside, wins at Palm Springs, Willow Springs (near Rosamond, California), Phoenix, Vaca Valley, Santa Barbara. Car was sold to Stanley C. Sugarman, of Phoenix, Jim Connor, driver.
Vaca Valley, 30 April-1 May 1960, California Sports Car Club
Pomona? Santa Maria?
Drake seen here at Laguna Seca, in the corkscrew: https://library.revs...una-seca/412751
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Edited by Rupertlt1, 21 April 2023 - 07:53.