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#1 peter kropotk

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 00:18

Forgive me if this enquiry and the three lousy b/w photos irritate the Ferrari experts, but:

Undated, but almost certainly 1962, perhaps (?) Tourist Trophy meet.
On the back of this one I had scribbled "Mike Parkes, UDT team". Camera shake mostly obscures the number plate, but it looks Italian or French. Does anyone have a subsequent history?

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What worries me is the background -- is this the rough old Club Straight? If it hadn't been 1962 Silverstone I'd think it was an air strip and a drag race, but Parkes would NOT have been doing that.

Second Ferrari: also I think (?) at the same meet, no name or number plate, but any guesses welcomed.
http://www.oldstox.c...hose gto590.jpg

Again, I was a teenager with a cheap plastic camera and no sense of record keeping.



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#2 AJB

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 01:25

The first one looks like Mike Parkes in the Maranello Concessionaires car at the Daily Express Meeting Silverstone May 1963.
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#3 arttidesco

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 01:47

Excellent pix :up: I had a play with the number in photoshop I'm reasonably sure that the number is 79586 MO certainly it's a Modena number plate unfortunately I cannot tie this number up with any GTO at the moment, and Mike is listed as running the #5 at the TT in 1962 entered Equipe Endeavour/ Maranello Concesionairs. There is no #40 listed for the TT in 1962 and if there was it would almost certainly be a smaller engine car looking through the entry list and the TT took place at Goodwood.

Mike Parkes was in the #41 250 GTO in the 3h Autosport Race Equipe Endeavour chassis #3689GT reg probably 75723 MO which he won.

David Piper is listed #92 for the 3h Autosport at Snetterton Chassis #3767GT reg probably 79460 MO not as listed on RSC.com so that is one almost certainly identified.

Since the #40 is listed as an Aston at the 3h Autosport meeting the two photo's 'might' not have been taken either / or at the same venue or same date.


#4 arttidesco

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 02:10

Doh ! #40 Mike Parkes Chassis #3729GT reg probably 79396 MO could you be out by a few months on the date ?

I've just looked up the chassis numbers given by RSC.com looks like they are a little out of whack with the 250 GTO numbers on Barchetta, sorry I cannot help you any further.

#5 peter kropotk

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 04:18

Doh ! #40 Mike Parkes Chassis #3729GT reg probably 79396 MO could you be out by a few months on the date ?

I've just looked up the chassis numbers given by RSC.com looks like they are a little out of whack with the 250 GTO numbers on Barchetta, sorry I cannot help you any further.


Arttidesca and AJB: My quoted years are not reliable. Daily Express 1963 sounds most likely. Both were definitely Silverstone, however, and the pale car was definitely Mike Parkes.
Something from my memory wants to add "Laystall" to the UDT team name --- or was that only in F1?

Thank you both for your quick replies. I wonder what colour the Parkes car was?




#6 Terry O'Neil

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 06:05

The two Ferrari GTOs are as follows
#40 International trophy meeting, Silverstone 11 May 1963 Chassis number 3729 Mike Parkes
#94 Maidstone meeting, Silverstone 25 April 1964 Chassis number 3757 Peter Clarke
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#7 arttidesco

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 06:29

The two Ferrari GTOs are as follows
#40 International trophy meeting, Silverstone 11 May 1963 Chassis number 3729 Mike Parkes
#94 Maidstone meeting, Silverstone 25 April 1964 Chassis number 3757 Peter Clarke
Terry


Well spotted on the #94 I really must stop dipping into TNF at 3am in the morning :blush:

#8 AJB

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 07:07

Arttidesca and AJB: My quoted years are not reliable. Daily Express 1963 sounds most likely. Both were definitely Silverstone, however, and the pale car was definitely Mike Parkes.
Something from my memory wants to add "Laystall" to the UDT team name --- or was that only in F1?

Thank you both for your quick replies. I wonder what colour the Parkes car was?

It was white with yellow roundels.
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#9 Alan Cox

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 08:33

The two Ferrari GTOs are as follows
#40 International trophy meeting, Silverstone 11 May 1963 Chassis number 3729 Mike Parkes
#94 Maidstone meeting, Silverstone 25 April 1964 Chassis number 3757 Peter Clarke
Terry

#3757 is the car which has been owned since 1978 by Nick Mason. #3729 was, latterly, owned for a long time by Jack Sears but I'm sure it was sold in the 1990s and bought by Jon Shirley, I believe.

#10 peter kropotk

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:01

#3757 is the car which has been owned since 1978 by Nick Mason. #3729 was, latterly, owned for a long time by Jack Sears but I'm sure it was sold in the 1990s and bought by Jon Shirley, I believe.


:up: Terry, Arttidesco, AJB, Alan: you guys have no idea how impressed I am by your knowledge, or how "chuffed" I feel to have this info almost 50 years after snapping those photos.
In return, here's an interesting page I found showing a grid-full of GTOs plus the 'Breadvan': http://www.imca-slot....com/1962TT.htm

Wasn't there a quote from (Ireland?) who was invited to buy the GTO he had just raced, who thought "Six thousand? Na-aah."
I can only repeat the litany of other posters that "this forum is astounding".
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 20:54

The Jack Sears GTO 3729 I believe was sold to Jon Shirley of Microsoft via auction ( Gstaad ?) for £4.5 million in 1999.
Mason paid £75,000 for his ?

Just found this from 1998 Brooks auction Gstaad 1998.......

'....Loads of memorabilia, scale models and Ferrari-related art had been entered in the sale, and 29 lots were Ferrari automobiles. On display only, not to be offered in the auction, were two particularly interesting Ferrari: Fabrizio Violati’s Dino 196 SP Spider Fantuzzi s/n 0806 and Jack Sears’ 250 GTO ’62 s/n 3729GT had been brought to Gstaad not only as outstanding eye-catchers, but also to attract potential buyers since these cars are rarely available on the market. If someone would really have been interested in one of these extremely expensive machines, a deal could have been arranged apart from the official sale. It is unknown to me whether this happened or not....'

Edited by hipperson, 01 August 2011 - 20:58.


#12 Alan Cox

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 12:49

Probably not quite the correct thread for this, but it does feature a 250GTO (I'm not sure which one) and shows the elegant luggage box appendage fitted for a Goodwood race in 1964, presumably to accommodate your dinner jacket and madame's ball gown.
http://www.photohist...roduct/pjr0198/

Edited by Alan Cox, 03 December 2011 - 14:28.


#13 Jean L

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 14:12

It is 3757GT of Peter Clarke who was engaged the following day at Zandvoort.

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 14:25

...Mason paid £75,000 for his ?


I always understood that it was the purchase price of £35,000 which saw Mr Mason mocked.....
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#15 Bruno

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 15:07

The two Ferrari GTOs are as follows
#40 International trophy meeting, Silverstone 11 May 1963 Chassis number 3729 Mike Parkes
#94 Maidstone meeting, Silverstone 25 April 1964 Chassis number 3757 Peter Clarke
Terry



in my file:

11/5/1963 Daily Express Silverstone (GT)
acc Mike Parkes 250 GTO 3729GT n°40 plate MO 077434 ???

25/4/1964 Maidstone & Mid Kent Car Club GT - Silverstone
3OA 3e class Peter Clarke 250 GTO 3757LM n°94 plate 4 HLY