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[nuromancer]

From my fathers collection, Jacques Maglia(front) with my father Jeff Elmes (Jacques mechanic) the venue is not known,can anyone help ?


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[f1steveuk]

An old Kyalami?

[David McKinney]

Brands Hatch, I'd have thought

[f1steveuk]

Brands Hatch, I'd have thought

My original thought, but the hills in the background seem much higher than other period pictures I've seen and the pit exit seems to be in the wrong place as well as the seperation between track and pit, which doesn't look right, I always recall quite a steep angle from infield to the outside of the track, though I may well be talking rubbish. The truck in the background is at what should be the entrance to Paddock, and from that angle the track should rise a little before the turn in point, and it seems quite flat.

The fact there are rolled up sleeves and bare chests would indicate heat, at Brands it would be raining, surely!

Edited by f1steveuk, 03 August 2011 - 18:21.

[opplock]

I'm also sure that it isn't Brands. Jacques Maglia competed in the French F2 championship in 1964 and 1965 according to driverdb.com.

[LittleChris]

Perhaps Enna - Pergusa ? Taken before the pits moved to the other side of the lake approx 1970.

Edited by LittleChris, 03 August 2011 - 22:41.

[arttidesco]

Brands Hatch, I'd have thought

When was the last time there was any vegetation of that nature on the outside of what would be Paddock Bend at Brands Hatch ?

[f1steveuk]

Just occured to me, could it be Nogaro??

[Doug Nye]

Pretty sure that pits photo was taken at Enna. Jacques Maglia crashed very heavily at Solitude, if i recall correctly. I know he was hurt, but I have always wondered how badly???? In fact did he race again?

DCN

[Charles E Taylor]

I would perhaps venture

Vallelunga, 1963.

The new Armco and the stand opposite the the pits are a good clue. If it is, and 1963, your man won the race.

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Roy's videos on youtube are just great.


Take care.


Charlie

[opplock]

If it is, and 1963, your man won the race.

Your link to F2 Register shows that he won at Monza. He doesn't appear to have entered the Vallelunga races.

I agree about the videos. I recently watched 4 about the Monaco GP weekend 1973 including F3 and F Renault. Superb.

[P.Dron]

Jacques Maglia's entrant for the 1963 Monza Lottery is listed as "Jean Genet". Can this really be THE Jean Genet, the famous playwright, poet, political activist and, er, a few other things? If so, what is the story behind that?

[Edit]: It really is so:


http://memoiresdesta...sport-auto.html

How very weird. I hope someone can provide a fuller explanation of the circumstances behind that.

When I was covering motor shows in the 1980s, I always used to book my team into small, slightly scrofulous and above all cheap hotels. In Paris, it was usually the Hotel Rubens in the rue du Banquier in the 13th arondissement. It was and is an apparently dull street, though that is where the Delahaye factory used to be. But anyway... my colleagues began to understand my logic: we had to keep expenses down and if we dossed down in a cheap hotel, our bean counters would be less likely to notice the restaurant bills, and when you get back to the hotel after a good evening, you don't bother much about the furniture or that the bathroom door does not close properly. Of the Hotel Rubens, my then deputy Andrew English (now the Telegraph's Motoring Correspondent) memorably remarked, "It's the sort of place where Russian poets go to die". I did not realize at the time that that was the hotel of choice of Jean Genet, nor that, because it was full one evening, he stayed instead at the Jack's Hotel, on the other side of the Boulevard d'Italie, another of my haunts. And that is where he died. I never found out what the room number was.

Edited by P.Dron, 04 August 2011 - 21:07.

[Charles E Taylor]

Oops,


I should have used an "a" rather than "the". I will appened E&OE in future!



Upon reflection, is this Albi? The photo looks perhaps more Frence than Italian, I should have know better with both the Shell and BP signs. No Supercortemaggiore!


Maybe 1964?





Charlie

[bradbury west]

Just occured to me, could it be Nogaro??

Nogaro was still a very basic track in those days, only 2 or 3 years after Robert Castagnon created it. I do not recall any buildings on the bank opposite the pits, as it falls back down to the paddock, and I am sure there was no Armco there then. And the surface looks too good.
Roger Lund.

[P.Dron]

I have now read through the whole of that article linked above, and also all the comments attached to it. It is a most bizarre story and if there were ever a thread entitled "Most improbable motor racing entrants" Jean Genet would certainly be a candidate.

Nuromancer, did you ever discuss with your father the time he was arrested at Monza for staying too long on the grid - and apparently put in jail for two weeks?

[f1steveuk]

Nogaro was still a very basic track in those days, only 2 or 3 years after Robert Castagnon created it. I do not recall any buildings on the bank opposite the pits, as it falls back down to the paddock, and I am sure there was no Armco there then. And the surface looks too good.
Roger Lund.

I have to admit, the idea was based solely on the run down from the grid to the first corner, there's something very "familiar" about it. My recollections of Enna are the the hills are a bit higher than those in the background of this shot, but I'm always happy to be proved wrong.

Maybe Peter should start another thread on strange entrants. When one looks at the fifties and sixties, some very odd "sorts" decided to back the up and coming, I can think of one writer/playwrite whose name appeared on a few entry forms, although I couldn't see him sitting down and filling in the required forms!

[nuromancer]

I have now read through the whole of that article linked above, and also all the comments attached to it. It is a most bizarre story and if there were ever a thread entitled "Most improbable motor racing entrants" Jean Genet would certainly be a candidate.

Nuromancer, did you ever discuss with your father the time he was arrested at Monza for staying too long on the grid - and apparently put in jail for two weeks?

With regard to being arrested at Monza I can't recall him mentioning being held for two weeks but vaguely recall some sort of argument with officials at the grid/pits . As to the other question ,yes Jean Genet was Jacques sponsor and yes this is the Jean Genet famed as a writer and philosopher. Genet was also Jacques sponsor for the 33 Grand prix des frontieres at Chimay(Belgum) 1963 amongst others. As to the nature of the relatioship between Jacques and Jean Genet my father never dicussed it with me, I know various scurrilious rumors were going around but I have no idea as to the truth or otherwise,