The great toy car debate
#1
Posted 13 August 2011 - 19:20
You may remember me from the Save Donington episode?
Well, I've now got another challenge, which will really push your racing knowledge to the limits...
My little boy is a big car fan ("car" was his first word!), so I fished down some very old matchbox cars from the loft.
Attached you will see a picture for 3 of them (plus one more, for a laugh), I'd like you to tell me what car they most resemble, in your opinion - ignore the colour of the toy.
I look forward to reading what you put!
Cheers,
Lee
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#2
Posted 13 August 2011 - 19:40
#3
Posted 13 August 2011 - 19:53
OK here's my suggestion:Hello all,
You may remember me from the Save Donington episode?
Well, I've now got another challenge, which will really push your racing knowledge to the limits...
My little boy is a big car fan ("car" was his first word!), so I fished down some very old matchbox cars from the loft.
Attached you will see a picture for 3 of them (plus one more, for a laugh), I'd like you to tell me what car they most resemble, in your opinion - ignore the colour of the toy.
I look forward to reading what you put!
Cheers,
Lee
Red car = Brabham BT34
Orange car = March 751
Yellow car with blue stripe = BRM P153
Big yellow car = March 83C
#4
Posted 13 August 2011 - 20:02
Eh? Possibly a P180, but that looks nothing like a P153!Yellow car with blue stripe = BRM P153
#5
Posted 14 August 2011 - 07:13
#6
Posted 14 August 2011 - 19:16
I've another for you, once I've photographed it...
Just off to Google your suggestions - good work!
Edited by LeroyBoyce, 14 August 2011 - 19:20.
#7
Posted 14 August 2011 - 19:31
If it is any help, the red one is a V8 and the yellow is a V12...?
I've another for you, once I've photographed it...
Just off to Google your suggestions - good work!
What's stamped on the bottom Lee?
#8
Posted 14 August 2011 - 19:44
#9
Posted 14 August 2011 - 19:51
The yellow car with the blue stripe is a Matchbox Superfast 34D produced from 1972-75
The red car is the Superfast 24D
And the orange car is No36C and is described as a F5000 car
I'll get my coat...have a look on E-Bay for more information
PAR
Edited by Phil Rainford, 14 August 2011 - 19:52.
#10
Posted 14 August 2011 - 22:22
Phil, how on earth did you find all that out!
I'm thinking of repainting them with the colour scheme of the F1 cars they most resemble.
I know, I know my boy is coming up to his 2nd birthday, but we must get their recognition skills honed at an early age, mustn't we!
#12
Posted 15 August 2011 - 08:59
Glad that at least one other person agrees with me over the BRM P153 even if Vitesse2 thinks we're losing it! Looking more closely, the "BRM" has a Team Surtees-like arrow on its nose - perhaps it is the little known TS7B - the one with the Matra V12 in the back.The #16 Superfast 34 (No 'D' on the bottom of mine !) has shades of BRM 153 in the nose and Matra V12 with the wild exhausts in the engine compartment after that it's a genuine bista special IMHO
Edited by Amphicar, 15 August 2011 - 09:03.
#13
Posted 15 August 2011 - 16:49
#14
Posted 15 August 2011 - 19:39
The red one is vaguely based on a Trojan F5000 and appeared about 72/73, but does have the lobster claw front. Did Modus do a F5000 car? It was called team Matchbox, so not specified by Formula.
The Orange Car was also some kind of F5000 but not sure which, maybe a Surtees. I reckon that was produced c75. It was called Formula 5000 and later came out in Red.
A good example of the contrary names was the Ford Group 6 model aka F3L, I have several colour variants of this and it is outstanding.
I think i have all the pictured models somewhere but Matchbox never really went for true scale, just what would fit in the box, hence the odd proportions and non specific models designated as Formula 5000 or whatever. I will have a look for more info tomorrow and bore you all with the history!
Edited by Mark 13, 15 August 2011 - 22:11.
#15
Posted 16 August 2011 - 14:20
The red car, model number 24 was called 'Team Matchbox' and first appeared in Yellow colours in 1973, although I have never seen one. The year after through to 1978 it was red.
The orange 'Formula 5000' was model number 36 and was sold in 76 and 77 before being produced amazingly in Red with Texaco and Marlboro decals from 78 to 80.
Edited by Mark 13, 16 August 2011 - 14:25.
#16
Posted 16 August 2011 - 15:56
#17
Posted 16 August 2011 - 16:08
The Yellow car is based on a Lotus Formula 1 car I think. This came out in the late 60's/early 70's in several colour schemes and was one of the first Superfast Wheels designs, not previously made with the thicker pins and plastic wheel/tyre assembly. (Superfast saved the Company from the Hot Wheels invaders after Mattel stole a march on Lesney with their faster running cars - they were also more to scale and Corgi with their Juniors, which were much better models in terms of models but never really got a hold on the market).
The red one is vaguely based on a Trojan F5000 and appeared about 72/73, but does have the lobster claw front. Did Modus do a F5000 car? It was called team Matchbox, so not specified by Formula.
The Orange Car was also some kind of F5000 but not sure which, maybe a Surtees. I reckon that was produced c75. It was called Formula 5000 and later came out in Red.
A good example of the contrary names was the Ford Group 6 model aka F3L, I have several colour variants of this and it is outstanding.
I think i have all the pictured models somewhere but Matchbox never really went for true scale, just what would fit in the box, hence the odd proportions and non specific models designated as Formula 5000 or whatever. I will have a look for more info tomorrow and bore you all with the history!
Mark 13. If the model is supposed to be a "lobster-claw" F5000 Trojan then it must be my (Nov '73 for '74 season) Trojan T102!! Have a loft full of old Corgi, Corgi Junior, Dinky, Hot-Wheels, Solido, Bang, Brumm, etc., etc., models apart from the 120-or so on the desk in front of me!!!
#18
Posted 17 August 2011 - 08:39
I seem to recall our lad had one of these http://www.ebay.co.u...R-/110730259053
The Weetabix logo reminds me that they did a collection of plastic kits sometime in the mid-70's of contemporary F1 cars. There were either 4 or 6 in total as I had them all and remember having them displayed in a (very shoddy) diorama at an end of year display at school.
I can also vaguely recall some other cereal, possibly Ready Brek, doing a "Send away X amount of box tops" promotion for little plastic model F1 cars that must have been at the start of the '70's.
#19
Posted 07 September 2011 - 17:50
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#20
Posted 08 September 2011 - 08:04
Made a changeable track (some 20 meters long with grass, trees etc) for them also, something similar to this:
http://boardgamegeek...it?size=largeon
(mine was more beautiful and a lot longer because we used 10 Km/h steps instead of 20 mph)
We played with rules derived from Avalon Hill Speed Circuit
http://lucidphoenix.com/sc/
Ours (made by Yours truly) were more complicated, and took into account the shape of the car to assess performance.
It was a beautiful game and we had some great races; all that preliminary work is now proving useful for an upcoming F1 browser game I am designing.
The blue-yellow one is a Serenissima to me.
http://www.flickr.co...pher/653327657/
Edited by Paolo, 08 September 2011 - 08:20.