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[Graham Gauld]

Need help with names. If anyone has a programme for the 1965 British GP at Silverstone I need the names of the drivers of the following cars in the Saloon Car race.

Ford Cortina No 46
Ford Mustang No 53
Ford Galaxie No 50
Chevrolet Camaro No 54


Also Formula Junior race from British GP meeting Brands Hatch possibly 1966

Car 62 Nick Brittan what car ? also cars 45 and 38

Saloon car race same meeting

Camaro 107 (Brian Muir ?)
Mini Cooper ( ?)
Also who drove a Hillman Imp at that meet.

[Tim Murray]

I've got the 1966 British GP programme, and I don't think it's the meeting you're looking for. There was no F Junior (or even F3) race There were no Camaros entered in the saloon car race, in which Brian Muir was down to drive a Ford Galaxie #95 for John Willment. If you would still like to know who were entered in Imps and Minis in that race let me know and I'll list them. I don't have the 1965 programme.

[Graham Gauld]

I've got the 1966 British GP programme, and I don't think it's the meeting you're looking for. There was no F Junior (or even F3) race There were no Camaros entered in the saloon car race, in which Brian Muir was down to drive a Ford Galaxie #95 for John Willment. If you would still like to know who were entered in Imps and Minis in that race let me know and I'll list them. I don't have the 1965 programme.

Thank you Tim/ I was not sure of the year and guessed 1966 but it could have been 1968

[Gav Astill]

As far as the saloon car race goes; Given that the Camaro wasn't introduced until late '66, then the year must be wrong

I think you might mean the 67 Silverstone GP saloon support race in which;

46 - Lucien BIANCHI
53 - Jackie OLIVER
50 - No record of this number or any Galaxie in the race
54 - either Hugh Dibley or Tom Lynch

Edited by Gav Astill, 27 August 2011 - 15:15.

[Vitesse2]

As far as the saloon car race goes; Given that the Camaro wasn't introduced until late '66, then the year must be wrong

I think you might mean the 67 Silverstone GP saloon support race in which;

46 - Lucien BIANCHI
53 - Jackie OLIVER
50 - No record of this number or any Galaxie in the race
54 - either Hugh Dibley or Tom Lynch

Just beat me to it, Gav. Perhaps #50 could be Gethin's Ford Falcon, as it's the only non-Camaro unidentified amongst the Yank metal on Frank de Jong's site?

[Gav Astill]

Just beat me to it, Gav. Perhaps #50 could be Gethin's Ford Falcon, as it's the only non-Camaro unidentified amongst the Yank metal on Frank de Jong's site?

Could be. I might be proved wrong (a frequent event!), but I don't think the racing careers of the Galaxie and Camaro overlapped at all in the British Championship, so something is amiss

[Vitesse2]

Also Formula Junior race from British GP meeting Brands Hatch possibly 1966

Car 62 Nick Brittan what car ? also cars 45 and 38

Saloon car race same meeting

Camaro 107 (Brian Muir ?)
Mini Cooper ( ?)
Also who drove a Hillman Imp at that meet.

The number on the Camaro would fit with the Lombank Trophy at the Guards International meeting on 28/8/67. However, Frank doesn't show a 107 or an un-numbered Camaro in the results, although Hugh Dibley had one numbered 101. Yogi was driving Gawain Baillie's Falcon that day. Two un-numbered Fraser Racing Imps: Bernard Unett and Keith Holland. Several Mini Coopers: John Rhodes (124), Steve Neal (129), John Handley (125), Gordon Spice (126), John Wales (130).

[Vitesse2]

Also, if it's 1967 and Nick Brittan, then I'd have thought it was his Apal Formula Vee, seen here at Monaco:



Picture from Peter Windsor's website.

[Red Socks]

Can't be an FJ race after 1964.

[Alan Cox]

Some useful websites on the 'net could help with your queries, Graham. For saloons you can do no better than Frank de Jong's superb site http://homepage.mac....Pages/BSCC.html and for FJ/F3 I tend to look first at http://www.formula2.net/
However, they don't always have the race numbers listed, but probably a good starting point.

[Graham Gauld]

Some useful websites on the 'net could help with your queries, Graham. For saloons you can do no better than Frank de Jong's superb site http://homepage.mac....Pages/BSCC.html and for FJ/F3 I tend to look first at http://www.formula2.net/
However, they don't always have the race numbers listed, but probably a good starting point.

Thank you Alan. These are all photographs I have taken and am trying to identify. Reference Nick Brittan it is not a Vee but could have been a Formula 3 car
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I have set myself the dask of making a catalogue of all black and white photos ( Around 25,000 ) in detail which will take a few years as it took me three years to properly catalogue 10,300 colour transparences. However with the latter it means I can trace any colour transparency within 30 seconds. almost worth the trouble of setting up the catalogue

Thankfully I know most of the black and whites and have references to many of the races but I did not know that Frank de Jong did one that included saloon car races which are the difficulty ones. As for Formula Fords I dare not think about them

Thanks to everyone for the help.

[pete53]

Could be. I might be proved wrong (a frequent event!), but I don't think the racing careers of the Galaxie and Camaro overlapped at all in the British Championship, so something is amiss

You are quite correct. The last Galaxie to appear in the BTCC was Brian Muir's Willment car which was badly damaged in a shunt at the 1966 Gold Cup meeting. The first Chevrolet Camaros to appear were in 1967 when Hugh Dibley and Tom Lynch appeared intermittently.

[werks prototype]

Undoubtedly a long shot, but, I recently saw a photo of an Ausper Type 4, numbered 45. But it was 1962.

[Graham Gauld]

As far as the saloon car race goes; Given that the Camaro wasn't introduced until late '66, then the year must be wrong

I think you might mean the 67 Silverstone GP saloon support race in which;

46 - Lucien BIANCHI
53 - Jackie OLIVER
50 - No record of this number or any Galaxie in the race
54 - either Hugh Dibley or Tom Lynch

You are quite correct I have found the date for the pictures. However, here is the photo of the rogue Galaxie which may help .



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[Gav Astill]

Ah, that may explain it. The car in the picture is a Falcon, not a Galaxie

If it is the 67 British GP support race, then by process of elimination (rather than direct evidence) then that is Peter Gethin

Edited by Gav Astill, 29 August 2011 - 09:16.

[humphries]

According to the programme, Silverstone 15 July 1967, the Ford Falcon drivers were:-

#50 Frank Gardner (Alan Mann Racing Ltd)
#51 Peter Gethin (Robert Ashcroft Racing Ltd)
#56 Brian Muir (Sir Gawaine Baillie)
#56 Roy Pierpoint (R.F.Pierpoint) - a non-starter

John

[Paul Parker]

Also, if it's 1967 and Nick Brittan, then I'd have thought it was his Apal Formula Vee, seen here at Monaco:



Picture from Peter Windsor's website.

I used pictures of NB in the pits at Monaco in 1967 but the car was, after much research, identified as a Fuchs as far as I could ascertain (I seem to recall that somebody on TNF raised this point back in 2008 or thereabouts) rather than an Apal, although I am not overly informed about Formula Vee racers.

Additionally the race numbers were affixed directly to the bodywork without roundels (no.116) and there were unpainted aluminium shrouds on both sides above the rear suspension arms, otherwise the car in your picture and the one I featured look identical, roll hoop, colour scheme etc. Perhaps these changes occurred during practice.

Alas NB was eliminated on lap one of the race after he collided with another car.

[Peter Darley]

Ah, that may explain it. The car in the picture is a Falcon, not a Galaxie

If it is the 67 British GP support race, then by process of elimination (rather than direct evidence) then that is Peter Gethin

It is Frank Gardner in the Falcon

It is the support race, the Ovaltine Trophy, for the 1967 British GP.

Edited by Peter Darley, 29 August 2011 - 11:58.

[Graham Gauld]

It is Frank Gardner in the Falcon

It is the support race, the Ovaltine Trophy, for the 1967 British GP.

Thank you Peter : Sorry for mucking everyone about. I should have known it was a Falcon as I drove one immediately after the Monte Carlo Rally in 1965, one of the recce cars.