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Help on '59 Tourist Trophy race

Started by ZOOOM , Aug 31 2011 15:18

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#1 ZOOOM

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 15:18

A friend just bought a picture of the start of thr 1959 Tourist Trophy race at Goodwood. There is no information on who the drivers and cars are.
I can pick out Von Tripps and maybe Gurney and his helmet, but I can't pick out any others.
Anyone know drivers and car numbers?
Thanks,
ZOOOM

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#2 Paul Parker

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 15:27

A friend just bought a picture of the start of thr 1959 Tourist Trophy race at Goodwood. There is no information on who the drivers and cars are.
I can pick out Von Tripps and maybe Gurney and his helmet, but I can't pick out any others.
Anyone know drivers and car numbers?
Thanks,
ZOOOM

How about posting a copy of the picture on here.

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#3 Tim Murray

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 15:28

As always, Martin Krejči's WSRP site is a good starting point:

http://wsrp.ic.cz/wsc1959.html#5

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#4 ZOOOM

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 17:56

Tim the answer man!
Thanks SO much. He will enjoy the picture much more now...
ZOOOM

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#5 ZOOOM

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 17:58

How about posting a copy of the picture on here.

I really cannot... He bought the picture in a used bookstore and it's 36x20 inches in size!
FOR THREE DOLLARS!

ZOOOM

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#6 Tim Murray

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 18:17

Tim the answer man!
Thanks SO much. He will enjoy the picture much more now...
ZOOOM

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#7 Paul Parker

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 19:31

I really cannot... He bought the picture in a used bookstore and it's 36x20 inches in size!
FOR THREE DOLLARS!

ZOOOM

Not a 5 x 7 then!

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#8 wenoopy

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:25

I really cannot... He bought the picture in a used bookstore and it's 36x20 inches in size!
FOR THREE DOLLARS!

ZOOOM

How about using a digital camera (no flash!).

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#9 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 11:32

I wonder how many other TNF'ers were actually at Goodwood that day? It all seems very recent and I clearly remember hearing the 'pop' as the tyre on David Pipers Lotus blew, sending him into the earth bank at Madgwick which was also briefly visited by Jack Fairman in the winning Aston. Of course being a Jaguar supporter at the time I also recall what we used to call the annual Aston Martin Goodwood bonfire! :cool:

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#10 Paul Parker

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 11:42

I wonder how many other TNF'ers were actually at Goodwood that day? It all seems very recent and I clearly remember hearing the 'pop' as the tyre on David Pipers Lotus blew, sending him into the earth bank at Madgwick which was also briefly visited by Jack Fairman in the winning Aston. Of course being a Jaguar supporter at the time I also recall what we used to call the annual Aston Martin Goodwood bonfire!

Bauble perhaps?

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#11 Graham Gauld

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 14:59

I wonder how many other TNF'ers were actually at Goodwood that day? It all seems very recent and I clearly remember hearing the 'pop' as the tyre on David Pipers Lotus blew, sending him into the earth bank at Madgwick which was also briefly visited by Jack Fairman in the winning Aston. Of course being a Jaguar supporter at the time I also recall what we used to call the annual Aston Martin Goodwood bonfire!

I was there for the race. Dan Gurney reading my column in the California Sports Car Club Journal ( Big Deal !) whilst a young Tony Brooks looks on.

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#12 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 15:56

Bauble perhaps?

Yes, he was there alright, but probably wont remember!. :cool:

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#13 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 16:25

I was there for the race. Dan Gurney reading my column in the California Sports Car Club Journal ( Big Deal !) whilst a young Tony Brooks looks on.

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A young Brooks who was rather overshadowed by co-driver Gurney that day.

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#14 Paul Medici

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 17:03

Is this the photo?
Not sure if this link will work but you can find the site by searching "Tourist Trophy 1959."

Bought this Jesse Alexander print in a Michael's craft shop in Chicago a few months ago.
Amazing what unexpected treasures we sometines come across in the most unlikely places.

http://www.allposter...s_i1683011_.htm

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#15 Graham Gauld

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 18:48

Is this the photo?
Not sure if this link will work but you can find the site by searching "Tourist Trophy 1959."

Bought this Jesse Alexander print in a Michael's craft shop in Chicago a few months ago.
Amazing what unexpected treasures we sometines come across in the most unlikely places.

http://www.allposter...s_i1683011_.htm

Good to see the photo as Jesse was standing on my right and Henry Manney on my left so we all have similar photos. My one below shows Carroll Shelby getting a flyer in the Aston whilst Dan Gurney hasn't even moved on the left.

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#16 Roger Clark

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 19:05

Good to see the photo as Jesse was standing on my right and Henry Manney on my left so we all have similar photos. My one below shows Carroll Shelby getting a flyer in the Aston whilst Dan Gurney hasn't even moved on the left.

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Moss, of course, was half way round Madgwick by this time.

Edited by Roger Clark, 01 September 2011 - 19:09.

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#17 Doug Nye

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 19:19

DCN

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#18 Paul Parker

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 21:38

A young Brooks who was rather overshadowed by co-driver Gurney that day.

Mmm. I'd have thought it was the other way round, Brooks being de facto Ferrari no.1 and after taking over the Hill/Gendebien TR set fastest race lap in an attempt to catch the 2nd place Bonnier/von Trips Porsche thereby winning the sports car championship for Ferrari but he failed by just 2 seconds.

Additionally he was already a four times GP winner for Vanwall during 1957/58, twice for Ferrari in 1959 and at this time still a potential World Champion for 1959 although admittedly he was approximately 10 months younger than Gurney.

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#19 Nick Wa

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 03:09

I wonder how many other TNF'ers were actually at Goodwood that day? It all seems very recent and I clearly remember hearing the 'pop' as the tyre on David Pipers Lotus blew, sending him into the earth bank at Madgwick which was also briefly visited by Jack Fairman in the winning Aston. Of course being a Jaguar supporter at the time I also recall what we used to call the annual Aston Martin Goodwood bonfire!

The last "9 Hours" was not a bonfire night and can't recall any pyrotechnics in '58 either, so not annual. Whilst near St Mary's recall seeing a plume of smoke rising and thinking "not again". Perhaps it was a bi-annual bonfire.
Was '59 the year Masten Gregory went straight on at Woodcote? If so I was there.

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#20 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 08:10

Mmm. I'd have thought it was the other way round, Brooks being de facto Ferrari no.1 and after taking over the Hill/Gendebien TR set fastest race lap in an attempt to catch the 2nd place Bonnier/von Trips Porsche thereby winning the sports car championship for Ferrari but he failed by just 2 seconds.

Additionally he was already a four times GP winner for Vanwall during 1957/58, twice for Ferrari in 1959 and at this time still a potential World Champion for 1959 although admittedly he was approximately 10 months younger than Gurney.

Agreed. But on that particular day Tony was visibly slower and certainly more cautious than Gurney in their original car and actually spun the car at Lavant shortly after taking over from Dan who had worked up to third place. The fastest race lap was set after Brooks had mis-read his pit signals and assumed that the Porsche was behind them. I know full well just how good a driver Tony Brooks was. Just pointing out that on that day, in the same car, Dan Gurney had been faster. :cool:

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#21 Barry Boor

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 08:22

Wonderful to see the little Lotus right up there with the Big Boys.

Oh, and I suppose the Porsche too.

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#22 Roger Clark

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 09:25

Mmm. I'd have thought it was the other way round, Brooks being de facto Ferrari no.1 and after taking over the Hill/Gendebien TR set fastest race lap in an attempt to catch the 2nd place Bonnier/von Trips Porsche thereby winning the sports car championship for Ferrari but he failed by just 2 seconds.

Additionally he was already a four times GP winner for Vanwall during 1957/58, twice for Ferrari in 1959 and at this time still a potential World Champion for 1959 although admittedly he was approximately 10 months younger than Gurney.

I thought that Brooks set fastest lap in the Ferrari he shared with Gurney, not while chasing the Porsche in the closing stages.

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#23 Paul Parker

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 10:10

Agreed. But on that particular day Tony was visibly slower and certainly more cautious than Gurney in their original car and actually spun the car at Lavant shortly after taking over from Dan who had worked up to third place. The fastest race lap was set after Brooks had mis-read his pit signals and assumed that the Porsche was behind them. I know full well just how good a driver Tony Brooks was. Just pointing out that on that day, in the same car, Dan Gurney had been faster.

Brooks/Gurney were driving chassis 0770 which had handling problems as did the Allison/Cabianca 0776. When Brooks took over 0770 he soon stopped to complain about the steering but was sent out again only to spin at Lavant as you noted causing him to return to the pits to have new front rubber.

Thereafter Brooks went much faster and set the fastest race lap in this car (1m 31.8). For the record Joel Finn states in his Testa Rossa book that it was apparent that Phil Hill/Gendebien who had taken over the Allison/Cabianca entry after their car had retired would not catch the Bonnier/von Trips Porsche and quote "This led to Tavoni bringing in the car and handing it to Brooks, clearly the fastest Ferrari driver that day."

Meanwhile I bow to Roger on the fastest lap although I was sure that I had read somewhere, sometime that Brooks set the mark at 1m 31.4 in the other car whilst chasing the Porsche, otherwise I would not be quoting it. Nevertheless having checked all the available sources here and online I am wrong.

Must try harder!