Originally posted by scokim
Originally posted by argos
1) Rudolf Caracciola
2) Tazio Nuvolari
3) Bernd Rosemeyer
4) Alberto Ascari
5) Juan-Manuel Fangio
6) Stirling Moss
7) Jimmy Clark
8) Jackie Stewart
9) Ronnie Peterson
10) Niki Lauda
Senna raced ten full grand prix seasons and won three WDC's. That in itself is quite an accomplishment, but during the same period Prost won four WDC's, and Lauda, Piquet and Mansell won one WDC each. If Senna was really the best ever, If he really was the god of F1 driving, then how did these other drivers have as much success as they did during Senna's time in F1? IMHO it's because Senna was not the best ever and not a driving god.
We can question how the list above got compiled (i can only recognise Lauda as a modern era driver). I've seen magazines that ranked the best drivers of the last century and those in the MODERN era were included (prost, senna, etc). I can't speak for those early drivers like Clark, etc and I don't many people can either.
As for the second paragraph, we need to see a list of no. of years in F1 vs no. of championship won vs no. of victories vs no. of poles. I'm sure someone here would have these numbers.
Yes, you certainly can question how I compiled the list. As I mentioned in my original post, I've seen all of the drivers from Jim Clark on. Those drivers were selected totally on my opinion of who was the best. The drivers previous to Clark were selected based on people I've known who have seen them drive and what I have personally read about them.
I did not rely on statistics at all because I don't believe statistics always give a complete picture and can sometimes be misleading. If you would like to see some statistics I can provide some. IMHO, if you must look at statistics, one of the best measures is winning percentage based on the number of F1 race starts. Since there was no F1 championship before 1950 I can only provide information accumulated since that date. So here are the top F1 drivers based on winning percentage:
Juan Manuel Fangio - 47%
Alberto Ascari ----- 42%
Jim Clark ---------- 35%
Michael Schumacher - 31%
Jackie Stewart ----- 27%
Alain Prost -------- 26%
Ayrton Senna ------- 25%
Stirling Moss ------ 24%
These are the only drivers with winning percentages above 20%. The next driver is Damon Hill at 19%. As far as comparing number of years in F1 v WDC's is a bit more complicated. In the 50's and 60's drivers often didn't compete in all of the races on the F1 calendar, especially at the beginning of their careers. I did look up a few:
Juan Manuel Fangio - 5 WDC's in 7 full seasons
Alberto Ascari ----- 2 WDC's in 3 full seasons
Jim Clark ---------- 2 WDC's in 7 full seasons
Jackie Stewart ----- 3 WDC's in 9 full seasons
Niki Lauda --------- 3 WDC's in 11 full seasons
Alain Prost -------- 4 WDC's in 12 full seasons
Ayrton Senna ------- 3 WDC's in 10 full seasons