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#1 Arese

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 13:16

As I mentioned in the "introduce yourself" thread I intended to post a few images that had been taken at the Nürburgring during the late sixties and early seventies. Most of them are b/w and also most of these pictures are shots made by a friend of mine, Harry Michelbach. On 2 or 3 occasions I had joined him on the trip to the famous track in the Eifel - about an hour away from the place where we live. My camera equipment in the early days was pretty bad, so there are only very few pictures that I can contribute to this thread.

I will start with a shot taken at what I believe was the Eifelrennen in April 1967 when the winter had not yet come to an end. What you see is the field of Formula V cars at the end of the back straight and turning in the so-called "Nordkurve". This part of the old Nordschleife does no longer exist, but had been replaced with the new GP track in 1983/84. Note the white layer on the tarmac. There had been snow on the track hours before so obviously they had removed it very quickly.

I should mention that I have Harry's permission to post the pictures. In case a width of 1,200 p should be too wide then please let me know.

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#2 Arese

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 13:24

Another picture from what I believe happened on the same weekend. Everything that you see in the picture that is white is - yes - snow. Does anyone want to guess race class, car and driver? Shouldn't be too difficult in a forum like this one where I expect a lot of expertise.

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#3 Tim Murray

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 13:36

Jochen Rindt - Winkelmann Brabham-FVA BT23?

Edit: F2, of course

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#4 Arese

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 14:54

Jochen Rindt - Winkelmann Brabham-FVA BT23?

Edit: F2, of course


Exactly!

#5 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 20:04

Interesting pictures , thanks !

#6 Arese

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 21:00

Jochen Rindt driving at the limit; he won the race.

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#7 ronmac

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 21:33

:wave: Arese.....Nice Photos.....Re Post 2......I have heard an announcer say.....
The race car is into the armco ,,or..the race car is into the haybales ,,or the race car
is into the drums ,,But never heard.....The race car is into the BAGS...

To Young Tim Murray,,I saw your email address has been changed ,,would you let me
know again please.??

#8 arttidesco

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 00:58

Fantastic photo's of a Nurburgring I almost recognise despite the fact my only trip was in 1976.

I imagine the bags would have been full of salt or sand to clear the snow ?


#9 E1pix

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 01:18

These are really great and nostalgic images, WOW!

I can't help but think that for once, treaded tires were a big advantage. ;)

Fantastic!

#10 Arese

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 06:53

A closer look at "treaded tires". :) Would you like to guess driver and car?

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#11 E1pix

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 06:59

A closer look at "treaded tires". :) Would you like to guess driver and car?

A semi-educated, image-from-when-I-was-5 guess.... John Surtees-Ferrari?

Edited by E1pix, 14 September 2011 - 07:02.


#12 Alan Cox

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 07:31

A semi-educated, image-from-when-I-was-5 guess.... John Surtees-Ferrari?

John Surtees - yes. Car: Lola-BMW T100 F2 with the Apfelbeck-headed BMW engine

#13 E1pix

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 07:35

John Surtees - yes. Car: Lola-BMW T100 F2 with the Apfelbeck-headed BMW engine

Yes, on a second inspection.... that is clearly not a Maranello motor! :blush:

Thanks, Alan!

#14 Arese

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 07:41

Yes, John Surtees in a Lola F2 with BMW engine. The pictures were taken at the same event as the ones before: Eifelrennen 1967.

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#15 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 09:07

Great pics of an event that didn't get great coverage...

But please, can you trim the pics down to 750 pixels or so? It's an absolute pain scrolling across and back to look at the text and the pics.

#16 Arese

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 09:59

Great pics of an event that didn't get great coverage...

But please, can you trim the pics down to 750 pixels or so? It's an absolute pain scrolling across and back to look at the text and the pics.


There are only a few in 1,200 p. Most of the others are 1,024 p which seems to be fine even for my small notebook. Would that be all right?

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 10:06

So this is a test with 1,024 p width; I hope it is fine for you. We are still at the same event. Who are the 2 drivers waiting for the snow to stop falling?

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#18 Tim Murray

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 10:33

Piers Courage and Chris Irwin?

#19 Arese

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 11:35

Piers Courage and Chris Irwin?


I am not 100% sure but yes, I would say so. Both took part in the '67 Eifelrennen.

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#20 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 11:41

750 pixels is the acknowledged regular 'unwritten' limit for pics on this forum...

In other words, it's the size that's a recommended maximum. On my screen, it's awkward when things go over about 900 pixels and 1200 is an absolute pain.

So keep the great pics coming, but please get the size down a bit.

#21 Tim Murray

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 11:54

The forum moderator, Twin Window, has asked a number of times that photos are no more than 800-850 pixels wide, eg:

Glad we went on Friday, weather-wise! :eek:

Brilliant photos chaps, especially from the rally 'stage'...

PS Could we please keep the photos posted at a maximum of 800/850 pixels in width? Thanks :up:

It would be a good idea for this requirement to be included in the 'TNFs: Read Me' sticky at the top of the page, which it currently isn't.

Edited by Tim Murray, 14 September 2011 - 11:56.


#22 Arese

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 11:58

I am sorry, gentlemen. This is probably a classic for newbies. Nevertheless, I found a way to reduze the size of the images quite easily, so the next ones will be better to view.

#23 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:07

If you had to find a way to do it, you need to know about Irfanview...

It's a free download and really makes it easy to resize, crop, sharpen, do a whole host of things with pics quickly and without fuss.

#24 Tim Murray

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:10

I am sorry, gentlemen. This is probably a classic for newbies.

Not your fault, Michael - you weren't to know. I've just suggested to our moderator Twin Window that the photo width requirement be included in the 'TNFs: Read Me' guide, so new members from now on will know. In the meantime, I'm looking forward to seeing some more of your fascinating photos. :wave:

#25 Arese

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:50

If you had to find a way to do it, you need to know about Irfanview...

It's a free download and really makes it easy to resize, crop, sharpen, do a whole host of things with pics quickly and without fuss.


The problem was that I had uploaded most of the pictures already. However, the server I'd chosen offers a way to reduce the size and store both copies.

I understand that images in upright format should be less than 800..850 p wide. So this is ~600 p and hopefully it works for this forum. It helps to introduce myself again, because of all the three people dressed in white you will certainly know two - and the unknown one is me. Großer Preis von Deutschland, 1968, the famous rain-and-fog Grand Prix that Sir Jackie Stewart calls the race of his life. The picture was taken in the paddock and on the Saturday between practice sessions.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 14:09

Doesn't the chap to the right look like a young Jody Scheckter ?

#27 Arese

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 14:22

Doesn't the chap to the right look like a young Jody Scheckter ?


Yes, the McLaren mechanic does look like Jody Scheckter. The question arouse before and even though I would like to say I was standing next to a present and a future Champion unfortunately it would not be true.


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Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:50

Yes, the McLaren mechanic does look like Jody Scheckter. The question arouse before and even though I would like to say I was standing next to a present and a future Champion unfortunately it would not be true.

Denis Hulme and Jo Bonnier? [per Hulme, you were standing next to a WDC :) ]

Shocking that's not Jody....

EDIT: That is one fine photo for you to be in as a kid! My first race shooting was when just under 15. Great memory for you!

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 18:03

Denis Hulme and Jo Bonnier? [per Hulme, you were standing next to a WDC :) ]

Shocking that's not Jody....

EDIT: That is one fine photo for you to be in as a kid! My first race shooting was when just under 15. Great memory for you!


Correct ... on all statements.

1000 km race 1968. One of my favorite drivers.

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#30 Tim Murray

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 18:10

One of my favorite drivers.

Seppi? One of my all-time favourites too. (Nothing against Vic either)

#31 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 20:42

Yes, we have seen that mechanic in photos here before...

Not Jody. Keem them coming, Arese!

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 21:03

Yes, the Porsche driver is Jo Siffert. More pics of him will follow ... and also one or two of Vic Elford.

The day before the 1000 km race in 1966. A quiet Saturday afternoon in the paddock; someone working on a GT40.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 21:46

Great photos!

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 07:17

Classic view of the Nürburg and the Nordkurve at the end of the back straight. It's the 1966 Grand Prix. I am not sure about car and driver, but I believe it is Ludovico Scarfiotti in the 2.4 l Ferrari.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 07:27

Re the two drivers in post #17; I can't see anyone there that resembles Piers Courage.

I don't think I would question the Chris Irwin identification but Piers? Look at a picture of him, he certainly didn't have a round face.

I know it's a negative assertion but looking through the drivers that took part I can't actually say that the chap sitting on the tyre looks like anyone I recognise.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 20:32

Could the chap on the tyre be Hubert Hahne ?

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 21:19

Could the chap on the tyre be Hubert Hahne ?



I think so.

#38 E1pix

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 21:35

Fantastic images!

#39 Arese

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 22:11

Could the chap on the tyre be Hubert Hahne ?


It could be, but Hahne was driving a (white) BMW and it is not very likely to see him sitting on the tire of a different car. I believe it is really Piers Courage. But again, I am not sure. :|

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#40 Arese

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 22:16

This is Hubert Hahne on the track

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#41 LittleChris

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 22:52

Picture of Hubert for comparison with Michaels photo though I would guess taken a little while after 1967

http://www.f1gamers......=Hubert Hahne

The eyes, ears and chin look pretty similar to me

#42 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 22:53

As Barry says...

Piers Courage is not in that scene. Hahne could have been 'visiting' another pit for a chat.

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 01:18

So this is a test with 1,024 p width; I hope it is fine for you. We are still at the same event. Who are the 2 drivers waiting for the snow to stop falling?

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Is that Jackie Oliver on the left?

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 03:53

'Is that Jackie Oliver on the left?'
No way.

#45 raceannouncer2003

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 05:17

Who are the 2 drivers waiting for the snow to stop falling?


Here is a link to the results:

http://www.formula2.net/F266_4.htm

Vince H.


#46 E1pix

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 06:10

Is that Jackie Oliver on the left?

Definitely not Jackie O. I always liked him too, though!


#47 Allen Brown

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 10:09

I don't think it's Hahne. Compare this picture:

http://www.oldracing...er/Hubert_Hahne

#48 Barry Boor

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 11:22

True, Allen, but it's more like Hahne than it is like Courage, don't you think?

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 17:21

My initial thought was Courage, too, but I can now see that it isn't him. Doesn't look like Hahne, either, so my guess would be Jackie Oliver.

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 17:58

My initial thought was Courage, too, but I can now see that it isn't him. Doesn't look like Hahne, either, so my guess would be Jackie Oliver.


I thought JO as well, these photos seem to resemble the fellow in question

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Photo from myf500.com

But if the identifications of the main photo on this page is correct, I'm now inclined to think it IS Courage or possibly Hahne.

http://www.forix.com/8w/d68.html

full sized photo here

http://www.carlosghy...254_600x490.jpg