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#151 Alan Cox

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 17:32

You are absolutely right, it is Hans Herrmann.
However, he is not inspecting HIS car as that was a 906 with injection (running as prototype). This here is the std version with carbs, thus a customer's car.

On looking at the results for the 1966 1000kms, I was interested to see that Jean-Pierre Beltoise finished 11th in a 'works' 906, sharing with Peter Nöcker. I had forgotten, or never realised (probably the latter), that J-PB had driven a 'works' Porsche.

PS A great collection of photos, Michael. Many thanks to Harry for providing them.

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#152 Arese

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 12:57

One of the very few b/w shots that I made myself during practice for the 1968 GP; the Brabham BT24 of Kurt Ahrens.

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#153 Arese

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 13:08

A photo that is also not "made by Harry" and it is even not b/w. It carries Nostalgia though and was taken at the Nürburgring in 1977. The venue was the "Oldtimer Grand Prix". At that time the prime of this driver dated back decades ...

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#154 Russell Burrows

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 13:27

A photo that is also not "made by Harry" and it is even not b/w. It carries Nostalgia though and was taken at the Nürburgring in 1977. The venue was the "Oldtimer Grand Prix". At that time the prime of this driver dated back decades ...

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Lang?

#155 Tim Murray

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 13:41

Agreed.

#156 Arese

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 13:59

Yes, it is Hermann Lang.

#157 Russell Burrows

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 14:19

Yes, it is Hermann Lang.


Interesting bike shots - anymore?

#158 Arese

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 14:21

Interesting bike shots - anymore?


Sure, one by one. :)

#159 Michael Ferner

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 15:16

A photo that is also not "made by Harry" and it is even not b/w. It carries Nostalgia though and was taken at the Nürburgring in 1977. The venue was the "Oldtimer Grand Prix". At that time the prime of this driver dated back decades ...

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Hermännle!

:)

Great pictures, Michael - thnx for posting!

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#160 legendmartini

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 09:53

hello
This is a wonderful source of information :clap:
research picture porsche 908 number 5 nurburgring 1971
best regards

#161 legendmartini

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 10:24

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#162 Arese

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 14:18

Thank you, legend.

3 years before, at the 1000 km race in 1968, Harry spent some time taking pictures in the Brünnchen section:

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#163 Arese

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 14:23

I would like to ask the moderators here the following: at the same race, also in the Brünnchen, Harry accidentially witnessed the accident of Chris Meek in his Chevron. Harry took pictures of the car and how Meek was rescued. Chris Meek came away with minor injuries, so there are no real "graphic" images, they are more a documentation of how rescue was done at that time. Is it appropriate to post these images here or would that be a violation of forum rules?

#164 E1pix

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 17:12

I'm not sure you'll get a response here per se, you might write Twin Windows in a PM. Per my understanding, I'd think it fine.

#165 Arese

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 07:35

Very nice picture of John Surtees, GP 1966. I don't know the mechanic's name.

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#166 Barry Boor

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 07:48

Lovely photo!

#167 arttidesco

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 08:39

Aprapos Big John, btw stunning picture thanks to Harry, in the #7 Cooper Maserati, fans of steam powered B&W telly might be interested to see full length coverage of the tragic 1966 German GP, without any commentary, in 8 parts which starts here on you tube.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:59

Likewise, Eric.

But I´m reasonably sure it´s Hubert Hahne.
Look at jacket, earlobes, eyebrows and the "round" face.

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100% Hubert Hahne, older brother of Amin Hahne - nice guy, terrific driver

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 11:04

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I'm still almost convinced it's young Kurt Ahrens. Although he does not appear on the results for 1967, he does appear in 1966. Could the caption be one year out ? Or could he have been racing in 1967 but in a different catagory?
The likeness (e.g. 'beaky nose', 'chubby face' & sideburns) does it for me. Later photos show a moustache.



This is Kurt Ahrens. I knew him quite well. Drove against him at the Ring a few times.

He came with us to Bruno in 1971 with the Ford Team. He was not a regular member of the Team, but he had relations in East germany and the only
way they could meet up was for both to travel to Bruno, so Jochen Neerpasch gave him a drive there to be able to get a visa.

#170 Arese

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 11:58

This is Kurt Ahrens. I knew him quite well. Drove against him at the Ring a few times.

He came with us to Bruno in 1971 with the Ford Team. He was not a regular member of the Team, but he had relations in East germany and the only
way they could meet up was for both to travel to Bruno, so Jochen Neerpasch gave him a drive there to be able to get a visa.


Thank you for posting this.

So you are the John Fitzpatrick. Since it is a pleasure to have you posting to this thread I have something for you (I am not sure though if it's you driving or Gerry Birrell). 1000 km race 1973. As far as I know you finished a superb 6th overall and won your class.

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#171 David McKinney

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:07

The saltire on the helmet suggests someone more Scottish than Fitz :lol:

#172 Arese

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:32

Someone polishing the rear clam of the Chaparral 2D. 1000 km race, 1966.

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#173 Arese

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:37

Saturday practice session. I believe I don't have to mention who, what and when.

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#174 Tim Murray

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 13:07

It was on the Saturday morning that he set the pole time at an amazing 8 min 4.1 sec - perhaps this is the lap when Harry caught him on film ...

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 13:22

It was on the Saturday morning that he set the pole time at an amazing 8 min 4.1 sec - perhaps this is the lap when Harry caught him on film ...


I am not sure if the shot is from that particular lap. Harry was standing to the left of the back straight, at a point where the cars would brake hard for the "short-cut" that would take them back to the pits through a gate in the fence that was open in practice sessions. The reason for that was to avoid a 22,835 km long out lap. This was a chance for photographers to catch the cars at low speed - and that is what Harry obviously did. Nevertheless - the 8'04''1 really made history. Too bad Clark's 49 wouldn't finish the race.

Edited by Arese, 04 December 2011 - 11:06.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 13:39

Exactly what I was looking for Chaparral tail without the wooden box screwed on :up:

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 07:50

Before the start of the 1000 km race in 1966. I always wondered who might be the gentleman standing between the GT40 and the 906. My first guess was Gijs van Lennep who took part in the race sharing a 906 with his brother David, but at that point of the day he would not walk around dressed quite formally.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 08:05

Before the start of the 1000 km race in 1966. I always wondered who might be the gentleman standing between the GT40 and the 906. My first guess was Gijs van Lennep who took part in the race sharing a 906 with his brother David, but at that point of the day he would not walk around dressed quite formally.


Well it's his brother then! My first thought was van Lennep even before I read your note.

Any more pictures of the Ligier/Schlesser GT40?

Incidentally, I found this on YouTube:

Gives a whole new meaning to "jumped the start"...

#179 Arese

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 08:27

Well it's his brother then! My first thought was van Lennep even before I read your note.

Any more pictures of the Ligier/Schlesser GT40?

Incidentally, I found this on YouTube:

Gives a whole new meaning to "jumped the start"...


The first photo of the #45 GT40 is this (I had posted it before). Thank you for the link; Harry should be in some of these pictures, but I couldn't spot him.

Which of the van Lennep brothers would that be - David or Hugo?

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#180 Arese

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 08:28

This is the third (and last):

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#181 Duc-Man

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 08:53

Exactly what I was looking for Chaparral tail without the wooden box screwed on :up:


That 'trunk' got screwed on only for the two races of the 2D in Daytona and Sebring 1967.
I'm not sure if the luggage compartment was already mandatory in 1966. I never seen any pictures of it with the 2D.

Edit: the trunk should also be visible in the GT40 shot above.

Edited by Duc-Man, 27 September 2011 - 08:56.


#182 Arese

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 12:01

This driver won a couple of races - but never on 4 wheels. Who is he? Formula V race, April 1967.

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#183 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 12:05

It's Austrian ski racer Toni Sailer.

#184 Arese

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 12:24

It's Austrian ski racer Toni Sailer.


:up: Very good!


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Posted 27 September 2011 - 12:44

Incidentally, I found this on YouTube:

Gives a whole new meaning to "jumped the start"...


Wow ! What a track to hold a 1000km motor race on eat your heart out Herman Tilke :up:

Great to hear Chris Economaki's commentary over those throaty motors.


#186 Arese

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 13:30

Wow ! What a track to hold a 1000km motor race on eat your heart out Herman Tilke :up:

Great to hear Chris Economaki's commentary over those throaty motors.


Yes, a challenging track indeed - and a very dangerous one, in particular in those days when there were no run-off areas at all, no guard rails and no "FIA" fences. Seen here in the 1000 km race is the Porsche 907 of Hans Herrmann and Rolf Stommelen who came in second overall. This part of the track is a short straight, leading from the second corner of "Brünnchen" to the uphill lefthander that is usually called "Eiskurve" (because it is in the middle of the forest and hardly sees any sunshine). The Porsche is just passing the wreck of Chris Meek's Chevron B8 (Chris Craft was second driver but did not get behind the wheel because of the early crash).

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 14:48

John Surtees - yes. Car: Lola-BMW T100 F2 with the Apfelbeck-headed BMW engine

Correct, John surtees with the Apfelbeck-radial valves 8 inlets for 4cycl. BMW engine


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Posted 27 September 2011 - 14:54

Yes, a challenging track indeed - and a very dangerous one, in particular in those days when there were no run-off areas at all, no guard rails and no "FIA" fences. Seen here in the 1000 km race is the Porsche 907 of Hans Herrmann and Rolf Stommelen who came in second overall. This part of the track is a short straight, leading from the second corner of "Brünnchen" to the uphill lefthander that is usually called "Eiskurve" (because it is in the middle of the forest and hardly sees any sunshine). The Porsche is just passing the wreck of Chris Meek's Chevron B8 (Chris Craft was second driver but did not get behind the wheel because of the early crash).

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Bruennchen was until 1970 absolutely different story! Great for the crowd, many trees and the famous downhill with many, many photos were the cars airborne... poor suspensions and after 70 you can´t compare Bruennchen with the old one! 1969 i saw at first old Bruennchen and Carussell. 2 years later i was very suspicious cause where were all the trees? Cause i was only 7 years back then and didn´t understand how sad new Bruennchen now was!


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Posted 27 September 2011 - 14:55

It's Austrian ski racer Toni Sailer.

Wow, with the old Austro-Vau, a development from the Original Beach


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Posted 27 September 2011 - 14:59

I am not sure if the shot is from that particular lap. Harry was standing to the left of the back straight, at a point where the cars would break hard for the "short-cut" that would take them back to the pits through a gate in the fence that was open in practice sessions. The reason for that was to avoid a 22,835 km long out lap. This was a chance for photographers to catch the cars at low speed - and that is what Harry obviously did. Nevertheless - the 8'04''1 really made history. Too bad Clark's 49 wouldn't finish the race.

Jacky Ickx drove with his F2 Matra a 8.14,1 quali lap (sensation) in the same race, but this was a F2 he must in the backrows and yes, 8.04 was for this cars and the old track a fabolous time!

Edited by thomaskomm, 27 September 2011 - 15:03.


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Posted 27 September 2011 - 15:06

This is Kurt Ahrens. I knew him quite well. Drove against him at the Ring a few times.

He came with us to Bruno in 1971 with the Ford Team. He was not a regular member of the Team, but he had relations in East germany and the only
way they could meet up was for both to travel to Bruno, so Jochen Neerpasch gave him a drive there to be able to get a visa.

Oh my god, John Fitzpatrick! One of my touringheroes as i was young and every race watched on Nuerburgring!!! You´re very quick! Thx that i could watching you!

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 15:08

100% Hubert Hahne, older brother of Amin Hahne - nice guy, terrific driver

Is Hubert Hahne not so new Nuerburgring-chief?


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Posted 27 September 2011 - 15:11

Hermännle! I believe he died 1978

:)

Great pictures, Michael - thnx for posting!



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Posted 27 September 2011 - 16:56

That 'trunk' got screwed on only for the two races of the 2D in Daytona and Sebring 1967.
I'm not sure if the luggage compartment was already mandatory in 1966. I never seen any pictures of it with the 2D.

Edit: the trunk should also be visible in the GT40 shot above.


Since I last looked this photo has appeared on the net clearly showing the backend of the 2D at the 'ring in 1966.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 17:18

Very nice picture of John Surtees, GP 1966. I don't know the mechanic's name.

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Jimmy Potton of the Cooper team.

Thanks for posting all of these great images.

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Edited by B Squared, 30 September 2011 - 15:44.


#196 E1pix

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 18:42

Arese, as mentioned, this is such a great thread and I hope the images keep coming! :wave:

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:29

Echoing the thanks once again of everyone else here, great photos and thanks so much. Please keep em coming.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:50

Thank you for your appreciation and support.

In the following I would like to post the photos of the rescue work after Chris Meek's crash in Brünnchen. Again, I do not seek sensations and I wouldn't post these images here had the driver suffered serious consequences. I rather believe it is interesting to see how rescue was done at that time.

Actually "Brünnchen" is a section consisting of a righthand downhill corner, followed by a short straight through a valley and then by a righthand uphill corner that ends in a flat crest where the cars tend to feel lighter. Back in those days the straight between both turns was notorious because of a very bad jump that had been leveled out after 1970. Other than that, the track profile here has remained the same. Chris Meek however lost control over the Chevron coming out of the second turn.

Harry had not captured the crash nor could he observe why the Chevron came off the track, but in a blink the car had crashed into the fence on the left side, flipped over and ended up on its roof. When Harry made this shot the ambulance was at the scene already, also a few police officers as well as spectators. Note the Chevron is leaking fluids flowing across the track; note also a couple of spectators more or less hiding at the right side of the track under branches.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:54

Somehow those people managed to roll the Chevron back on its wheels and out of the most dangerous area. At this point the driver is still inside the car. Someone is kneeling next to him, probably giving first aid.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:58

Chris Meek is being recovered from his car.

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The Chevron looks bad, one of the wheels has come off, but it is not completely destroyed.

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