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#1 Tmeranda

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 13:06

Anyone have photos of this 1967 LeMans car driven by Ruby/Hulme? Interested in what brand of tires it actually used during the race.

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#2 Tuboscocca

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 14:29

Anyone have photos of this 1967 LeMans car driven by Ruby/Hulme? Interested in what brand of tires it actually used during the race.



Tmeranda

according to 'Francois Hurel : Ford au Mans' there are two pictures showing both FIRESTONE...

Hope it helps? Is there a possibility that they praticed /raced on diffrent brands??

Regards Michael

#3 Tmeranda

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 14:48

Tmeranda

according to 'Francois Hurel : Ford au Mans' there are two pictures showing both FIRESTONE...

Hope it helps? Is there a possibility that they praticed /raced on diffrent brands??

Regards Michael

possible, but I'm puzzled because both Ruby and Hulme had contracts with Goodyear.

#4 Tmeranda

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 15:26

possible, but I'm puzzled because both Ruby and Hulme had contracts with Goodyear.



Just got off the phone with the person who currently owns this car, and according to his research it ran Goodyear tires in the race.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 17:14

Just got off the phone with the person who currently owns this car, and according to his research it ran Goodyear tires in the race.


There is still some mysteries (at least to me).
In Hurel's book there is mentioned that Firestone brought newly developped tires and rims to Le Mans... In other GT40 books you'll find photos from the race where the cars were Goodyear shoed, at least the winner car..
Couldn't find anything , why they went back to Goodyears. The winners have also the Goodyear logo on their race- overalls..

Interesting theme!!

Regards Michael

#6 Tmeranda

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 19:16

There is still some mysteries (at least to me).
In Hurel's book there is mentioned that Firestone brought newly developped tires and rims to Le Mans... In other GT40 books you'll find photos from the race where the cars were Goodyear shoed, at least the winner car..
Couldn't find anything , why they went back to Goodyears. The winners have also the Goodyear logo on their race- overalls..

Interesting theme!!

Regards Michael

Ford had two teams at LeMans. The first headed by Shelby (who was the Goodyear tire distributor for the western US) so his two cars were shod with Goodyear. His drivers had contracts with Goodyear. The second team was headed by Holman Moody normally a NASCAR entrant. Andretti who drove their #3 car (serial number J7) had a contract with Firestone, so this car had Firestone tires. The puzzle to me was that Moody #4 car (serial number J8) was driven by Ruby/Hulme, both of whom had contracts with Goodyear - yet most records say this car was equipted with Firestones. I have one picture of #3 and #4 next together at the LeMans pits which clearly show #3 with Firestones - but cannot make out the lettering on #4 which has very different font than the Firestones.

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#7 arttidesco

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 19:44

Both cars seen here at LM in what look like one of the practice sessions with Firestones :confused:

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Edited by arttidesco, 04 October 2011 - 19:45.


#8 Tuboscocca

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 21:05

Ford had two teams at LeMans. The first headed by Shelby (who was the Goodyear tire distributor for the western US) so his two cars were shod with Goodyear. His drivers had contracts with Goodyear. The second team was headed by Holman Moody normally a NASCAR entrant. Andretti who drove their #3 car (serial number J7) had a contract with Firestone, so this car had Firestone tires. The puzzle to me was that Moody #4 car (serial number J8) was driven by Ruby/Hulme, both of whom had contracts with Goodyear - yet most records say this car was equipted with Firestones. I have one picture of #3 and #4 next together at the LeMans pits which clearly show #3 with Firestones - but cannot make out the lettering on #4 which has very different font than the Firestones.

Tmeranda --thanks .I did know the two entrants,but not the tire contracts in detail.. atidesco's photo shows clearly the Firestones , but in practice??s
So we have to find photos of #3 and #4 during the race --with Goodyears??

Regards Michael

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 01:00

Tmeranda --thanks .I did know the two entrants,but not the tire contracts in detail.. atidesco's photo shows clearly the Firestones , but in practice??s
So we have to find photos of #3 and #4 during the race --with Goodyears??

Regards Michael



Clearly??????? enlarged in photoshop you can't read what's on #4 at all the only letter that is remotely legible is either the D in Good or the O in Firestone but there is a white blob next so it's either the winged logo of GoodYear or the N in Firestone my guess is that it looks more likely that it's the winged logo in GoodYear and more likely then the N in Firestone. Clearly someone needs new classes if they can read that as Firestone "Clearly".

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 01:03

Both cars seen here at LM in what look like one of the practice sessions with Firestones :confused:

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Art you have photoshop enlarge that can you really see it as Firestone or is that white blob after the D or O as the case may be more likely to be the winged Logo of Goodyear? Lets face it enlarged nothing before the D or O is really visible.

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#11 buckaluck

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 01:28

Anyone have photos of this 1967 LeMans car driven by Ruby/Hulme? Interested in what brand of tires it actually used during the race.



I know this is a model car page for Exoto but they usually get things right and it shows #4 on GoodYears in test and race and #3 testing on GoodYear but Racing on Firstone

Here is the link: http://www.outomobil.../catalogue/1967 Ford GT40 Mk IV at Le Mans/1967fordgt40mkivlemans.htm

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#12 Tuboscocca

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 06:23

I know this is a model car page for Exoto but they usually get things right and it shows #4 on GoodYears in test and race and #3 testing on GoodYear but Racing on Firstone

Here is the link: http://www.outomobil.../catalogue/1967 Ford GT40 Mk IV at Le Mans/1967fordgt40mkivlemans.htm

Buck



Found a photo of #3 , 'parked' after the crash--FIRESTONES (Allen or Spainbook?). The photos of #4 in the race are all fontal or with fast rotating wheels--not to be seen...
Maybe someone finds an action photo, where it is readable...

Regards Michael

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 11:19

Clearly someone needs new classes if they can read that as Firestone "Clearly".

Buck


One does not need to make out the lettering on the tyres to 'clearly' identify the Firestones on the #3 and #4 GT40 Mk IVs, when comparing the tyres on the #3 & 4 to the Goodyear shod #1 and #2 ,however looking at this second photo one cannot clearly make the case that the photo I originally linked in post 7 was taken during practice :blush:

The model makers seem to disagree on this point with the #4 available on Firestones and Goodyears.

#14 Tmeranda

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 13:44

One does not need to make out the lettering on the tyres to 'clearly' identify the Firestones on the #3 and #4 GT40 Mk IVs, when comparing the tyres on the #3 & 4 to the Goodyear shod #1 and #2 ,however looking at this second photo one cannot clearly make the case that the photo I originally linked in post 7 was taken during practice :blush:

The model makers seem to disagree on this point with the #4 available on Firestones and Goodyears.

Exoto made #4 (J8) with both Firestone and Goodyear tires?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 16:35

Not sure who made either of the models in the photo's linked on post #13 Tmeranda. But the Firestones with the thin white stripe look the more accurate representation of the two brands compared to the photo's I have seen so far.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 17:09

the Firestones with the thin white stripe

Anyone spotted the Goodyears have a blue line around the tyre & the Firestones have gold?
Found several photos of #3 (1 x definately race day) with Firestones, I also found one that shows #4 on Firestones

Edited by mfd, 05 October 2011 - 17:24.


#17 Doug Nye

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 20:22

Anyone spotted the Goodyears have a blue line around the tyre & the Firestones have gold?
Found several photos of #3 (1 x definately race day) with Firestones, I also found one that shows #4 on Firestones


For those of us who were around at the time it's not a case of having "spotted" the difference in colouring between Firestone and Goodyear tyres. Gold lettered and lined Firestones and white-lettered/blue-lined Goodyears were clearly identifable from trackside, while for model makers the distinctive square-shouldered American tyres stood out plainly against round-shouldered Dunlops.

Here's a shot of Denny Hulme in his Mark IV, rounding Mulsanne Corner on the Saturday evening, after Rodriguez had banked the NART white whale Ferrari 365P2 Berlinetta.

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The gold sidewall features plainly identify Firestone tyres. So Exoto might have some thinking to do if their intention was to portray the car in race trim. Their Mercedes-Benz 300SLR models on Dunlop tyres are also in error - but I believe Mercedes-Benz have asked the model manufacturer to replace them with correct pattern Continentals. In fact for all I know they may have done this already?

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Edited by Doug Nye, 09 October 2011 - 20:16.


#18 bradbury west

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 20:53

Anyone spotted the Goodyears have a blue line around the tyre


I always understood that when they came (back?) into racing in the early 60s , certainly with smaller rim sizes over here, Goodyear branded and sold their race tyres as Blue Streak tyres, so there was never any question /secret about the blue line.
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Posted 09 October 2011 - 00:31

Re the last two posts - I wasn't trying to be clever, but just pointing out, as it hadn't been mentioned anywhere in the thread, that if you couldn't read the letters (on a colour photo) the circle was a clue to the identity of the tyre.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:55

No offence or rebuke intended, I was just pointing out something of which perhaps some might be unaware.
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#21 Doug Nye

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:14

Re the last two posts - I wasn't trying to be clever, but just pointing out, as it hadn't been mentioned anywhere in the thread, that if you couldn't read the letters (on a colour photo) the circle was a clue to the identity of the tyre.


Helpful point - well made.

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#22 Tmeranda

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 14:19

Doug,

Thanks for the photo. Puzzle solved. BTW, I don't remember Exoto ever modeling the 300SLR. If they had, it would be the place of honor in my collection.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 20:11

Sorry - I think I am muddling up CMC and Exoto. In fact I think that these days I am increasingly muddled up. Hmmm - has one had lunch yet? :rolleyes:

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 14:27

Photograph from the Fred Lorenzen site. Can some identify the GT about mid picture?

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Shop almost looks modern day! :up: