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#301 MrFondue

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 18:09

:lol: :lol:

To summise the article, those meanies Red Bull are launching the RB8 online with 'in-house reporting' rather than having a press-day. Obviously so they can regulate what pictures of the car are available pre-test, and AMS dont like it one little bit. As far as AMS are concerned, Red Bull should allow journalists and photographers to take photos of the car and put them online. Apparently they are losing sympathy for being so secretive and mean.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


I wonder what Virgin was trying to hide when they did their internet-only launch of the VR-01 :lol:

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#302 fieraku

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 18:12

Very harsh critism from AMS!
They are telling that RBR is loosing a lot of sympathie...... :up: and they are right!

Yeah sure,how stupid of them not revealing everything to their competitors.Are they crazy? :stoned:

#303 OwenC93

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 22:02

Yeah sure,how stupid of them not revealing everything to their competitors.Are they crazy? :stoned:

It not something that should be encouraged. I don't like the secrecy that red-bull try to do, all the coded radio messages, hidden cars, controlled car launches etc is something that RB are gaining an advantage from which might make other teams feel that they need to do the same thing. Which is not a good thing for F1 fans.

#304 toxicfusion

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 22:14

It not something that should be encouraged. I don't like the secrecy that red-bull try to do, all the coded radio messages, hidden cars, controlled car launches etc is something that RB are gaining an advantage from which might make other teams feel that they need to do the same thing. Which is not a good thing for F1 fans.


They've gone from the team who were fun and were trying to approach F1 differently, to being like every other team.

#305 Ian G

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 22:41

They've gone from the team who were fun and were trying to approach F1 differently, to being like every other team.


Exactly,especially since Big Tobacco influence has waned,its dog eat dog with people on huge paypackets to find(or steal) any miniscule advantage.

Edited by Ian G, 19 January 2012 - 22:41.


#306 jamiegc

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 23:03

They've gone from the team who were fun and were trying to approach F1 differently, to being like every other team.


When every other team is copying your car and with tens of millions of prize money, they have to be secretive.

Being 'fan friendly and fun' isn't going to help them if their design is plastered all over the web and they aren't winning races.

#307 Zava

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 23:06

They've gone from the team who were fun and were trying to approach F1 differently, to being like every other team.

yeah, f**k them, how dare they be the same as all the other teams? it's outrageous!  ;)

#308 toxicfusion

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 23:50

When every other team is copying your car and with tens of millions of prize money, they have to be secretive.

Being 'fan friendly and fun' isn't going to help them if their design is plastered all over the web and they aren't winning races.



yeah, f**k them, how dare they be the same as all the other teams? it's outrageous! ;)



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Totally missing my point. Red Bull came to F1 to do it differently and be fun, a point they made a lot in their debut season, and all credit to them they did.

But in becoming the Double World Champions that is all gone, replaced with seriousness and accusations of team favouritism and becoming a carbon copy of other teams.

Why can't they be winning and fun?


As for their designs being plastered all around the internet, that will happen at testing (unless they're going to hide the car the entire time) and it hasn't stopped them winning in the past 2 years so its hardly damaging.

Edited by toxicfusion, 19 January 2012 - 23:52.


#309 OwenC93

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 23:52

When every other team is copying your car and with tens of millions of prize money, they have to be secretive.

Being 'fan friendly and fun' isn't going to help them if their design is plastered all over the web and they aren't winning races.

Everyone else manages just fine. You can already see people are starting to dislike them and that's certainly not good for business.

#310 lbennie

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 23:53

they had to do this imo. what, with mclaren copying their way back into the mix before melbourne when their exhaust system went sour.


#311 ChrisF1MyLife

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 01:08

Launching online with an inhouse team is surely alot cheaper than throwing a big soiree for the media to get a free lunch and some entertainment. They'll have saved some money and put it towards developing the car. BOOM 2012 done. Can see the site crashing though due to demand :S

At the end of the day, love them or hate them, they'll do the talking on the track and the partying in the pits.

#312 krea

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 03:13

After Monza I understand such things

#313 H2H

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 06:24


I can understand Schmidts point of view and would have liked a more open approach. I bet that now the designers of the other teams will be even more desperate for good shots of the car, as this push for a controlled launching environment could mean that some revolutionary things could be hidden.

Or maybe they just miscalculated the bit, hoping to be one step ahead of the pack even in the adoption of the Internet as a platform. :p

#314 Brandz07

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 08:00

they had to do this imo. what, with mclaren copying their way back into the mix before melbourne when their exhaust system went sour.


it won't stop them

#315 hunnylander

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 08:00

IMO it's not just for hiding, as you can cover up things (like McLaren and others covered diffusers on real world launches), put dummy or old parts on it.

I think partly or mainly the reason is that they are behind their schedule and at the time of announcing and setting up the launch date and the execution of it, they couldn't be sure yet the car(s) could be built in time for that time and purpose.

The test is starting on 7th in Jerez, on 6th there couldn't be a built car in Milton Keynes if they have only 1 and they wanna test with that. There would be logistic issues to make that with one built car.

If they'll be in Jerez with their new car, what they could have hidden on it and for what period? A launch car is never newer and more usable than a new car you want to go round in circles in a test. So it's not more revealing. And it's only 1 day of hiding something.

So based on this logic, they may be behind their schedule, they won't have enough time and or cars to do conventional launch at their home base. Even doubtful they will be ready to start the test on Feb 7 with a new car.


But Schmidt has some truth in his article. Red Bull is not as good towards the fans as medias as they could or were.

Edited by hunnylander, 20 January 2012 - 08:04.


#316 Owen

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 08:45

IMO it's not just for hiding, as you can cover up things (like McLaren and others covered diffusers on real world launches), put dummy or old parts on it.

I think partly or mainly the reason is that they are behind their schedule and at the time of announcing and setting up the launch date and the execution of it, they couldn't be sure yet the car(s) could be built in time for that time and purpose.

The test is starting on 7th in Jerez, on 6th there couldn't be a built car in Milton Keynes if they have only 1 and they wanna test with that. There would be logistic issues to make that with one built car.

If they'll be in Jerez with their new car, what they could have hidden on it and for what period? A launch car is never newer and more usable than a new car you want to go round in circles in a test. So it's not more revealing. And it's only 1 day of hiding something.

So based on this logic, they may be behind their schedule, they won't have enough time and or cars to do conventional launch at their home base. Even doubtful they will be ready to start the test on Feb 7 with a new car.


But Schmidt has some truth in his article. Red Bull is not as good towards the fans as medias as they could or were.

Good point hunnylander. And Horner has being saying they are 'burning the midnight oil' with this car.

#317 jamiegc

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 09:12

Everyone else manages just fine. You can already see people are starting to dislike them and that's certainly not good for business.


Everyone else hasn't managed 'just fine' considering RB are double WCC and the other teams are shamelessly copying their car.


As for their designs being plastered all around the internet, that will happen at testing (unless they're going to hide the car the entire time) and it hasn't stopped them winning in the past 2 years so its hardly damaging.


Of course the others teams will get pictures of the RB8 and end up copying it, but that is their prerogative to obtain the images, not RBs responsibility to provide them.

It's a sign of the times and desperation over RBs complete dominance that people are complaining about RB keeping their designs to themselves.

#318 windtravels

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 09:20

Launching online with an inhouse team is surely alot cheaper than throwing a big soiree for the media to get a free lunch and some entertainment. They'll have saved some money and put it towards developing the car. BOOM 2012 done. Can see the site crashing though due to demand :S

At the end of the day, love them or hate them, they'll do the talking on the track and the partying in the pits.


Yep, looks the the money saved on a few lunches means this championship is wrapped up already.

#319 Szoelloe

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 09:42

IMO it's not just for hiding, as you can cover up things (like McLaren and others covered diffusers on real world launches), put dummy or old parts on it.

I think partly or mainly the reason is that they are behind their schedule and at the time of announcing and setting up the launch date and the execution of it, they couldn't be sure yet the car(s) could be built in time for that time and purpose.

The test is starting on 7th in Jerez, on 6th there couldn't be a built car in Milton Keynes if they have only 1 and they wanna test with that. There would be logistic issues to make that with one built car.

If they'll be in Jerez with their new car, what they could have hidden on it and for what period? A launch car is never newer and more usable than a new car you want to go round in circles in a test. So it's not more revealing. And it's only 1 day of hiding something.

So based on this logic, they may be behind their schedule, they won't have enough time and or cars to do conventional launch at their home base. Even doubtful they will be ready to start the test on Feb 7 with a new car.


But Schmidt has some truth in his article. Red Bull is not as good towards the fans as medias as they could or were.


This ^^

Not "behind schedule" though, they made it quite clear that THIS is the schedule, and they barely make it. Newey and his team always works on the car till the very last minute, so Schmidt's article is partly a fabrication. If it is obvious to us, it is even more obvious to him. What seems very very obvious on the other hand, is that RB is on a steep downhill slide concerning their popularity. They are arrogant, self centered and lifeless, with a front-office manager in the person of Marko, who is quite the embodiment of these traits, and acts on it day by day.


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#320 puxanando

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 09:49

What seems very very obvious on the other hand, is that RB is on a steep downhill slide concerning their popularity. They are arrogant, self centered and lifeless, with a front-office manager in the person of Marko, who is quite the embodiment of these traits, and acts on it day by day.


:up: You are 100% right!


#321 The Ragged Edge

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 09:53

I wonder what Virgin was trying to hide when they did their internet-only launch of the VR-01 :lol:


To mask the fact their fuel tank was too small.;)

Edited by The Ragged Edge, 20 January 2012 - 09:56.


#322 H2H

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 11:14

:up: You are 100% right!


I just love the wishful thinking of some fans of other teams. In any way it is brilliant that Red Bull Racing causes this emotion in a part of the most devoted fans of such big names like Ferrari and McLaren. It confirms that it won and won and won despite being sponsored by a soft drink. :lol:

Those few fanatics are however not the promotion target of the brand, so this localized rage should not be a concern for the DM.



#323 Owen

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 12:35

@Formula1_com
#F1 Red Bull insist they are in no hurry to develop a reactive ride height system which Lotus and Ferrari are already running #fb
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Posted 20 January 2012 - 12:53

@Formula1_com
#F1 Red Bull insist they are in no hurry to develop a reactive ride height system which Lotus and Ferrari are already running #fb
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Because they have been running their own approach to ride height control for the past two years......

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 13:02

Because they have been running their own approach to ride height control for the past two years......


Indeed I believe they have. But they obviously don't want to say that, hence the quote about the Lotus system.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 08:56

Indeed I believe they have. But they obviously don't want to say that, hence the quote about the Lotus system.

And now that the Lotus system is banned, they must be even more happy!

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 11:36

And now that the Lotus system is banned, they must be even more happy!


They certainly made the right decision in not adopting such a system, so a lot of effort has not gone into wrong direction hampering their design. I just hope that they were not involved alongside teams like Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes or others in banning the Lotus RAHAS.



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Posted 21 January 2012 - 11:44

They certainly made the right decision in not adopting such a system, so a lot of effort has not gone into wrong direction hampering their design. I just hope that they were not involved alongside teams like Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes or others in banning the Lotus RAHAS.


It's been reported that Ferrari has just such a system. Even Domenicalli said they're working on it at the Wroom event last week. McLaren has said that they were working on it too, as did Mercedes. Red Bull is the only team to claim they're in no hurry to adopt the system. Then out of the blue, it's banned. Something smells.

#329 puxanando

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 11:50

Something smells.


.....and it smells very bad! :stoned:


#330 krea

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 11:53

They are the only one who read the rules, maybe?

#331 HPT

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 11:57

They are the only one who read the rules, maybe?


The same set of rules that are meant to prevent any sort of flexing for aerodynamic gain? :cool:

Furthermore, the FIA already gave the green light to Lotus to work on the design. Why change it after so much time and resources have been poured into it?

http://www.formula1....2012/0/923.html


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Posted 21 January 2012 - 12:03

I'll tell you what smells worse:

ScarbsF1
On moaned about RRH, I wouldnt say its those who said they'd be slow to develop it, more likely those who said they had plans to do it ;)


http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/96971

High-level sources at Ferrari have confirmed that the Italian outfit has already been working on developing its own reactive ride height system for 2012 and has submitted its plans to the FIA to ensure that it fully complies with the regulations.

Although it is understood that it has not received official approval yet, it is likely that a decision will be made in time for Ferrari to be able to fit the device to its 2012 car prior to the first pre-season tests.

"We are waiting for the final confirmation if this kind of devices will be acceptable or not. But for sure we are looking around these sorts of devices to see if they contribute to a performance. But we need to wait and see what will be the reaction to the FIA on that."


We all now know what the 'reaction from the FIA' has been.


I mean if we're throwing accusations about.. :rolleyes:

Edited by BRK, 21 January 2012 - 12:03.


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Posted 21 January 2012 - 12:04

Furthermore, the FIA already gave the green light to Lotus to work on the design. Why change it after so much time and resources have been poured into it?


It's the same thing with the double diffusor and f-duct


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Posted 21 January 2012 - 17:29

It's been reported that Ferrari has just such a system. Even Domenicalli said they're working on it at the Wroom event last week. McLaren has said that they were working on it too, as did Mercedes. Red Bull is the only team to claim they're in no hurry to adopt the system. Then out of the blue, it's banned. Something smells.

A lot of smoke and mirrors I'll bet. A lot of teams have said their working on such a system, but whether they're working on exactly what was described is an entirely different matter. Sometimes there is a bit of misdirection.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 17:43

It's the same thing with the double diffusor and f-duct

No, it's not. Both of these were raced and subsequently banned via a rule change.

Edited by dau, 21 January 2012 - 21:18.


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Posted 21 January 2012 - 21:08

I think I can safely predict that Red Bull's exhausts will be blowing over the rear brake ducts.

#337 Andy865

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 21:17

OOOO somebodys been reading scarbs.

Edited by Andy865, 21 January 2012 - 21:18.


#338 BRK

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 21:26

Tangent and OT, don't know if this has been posted here before but there's a guy that's done an insane job with a cardboard model of the RB7 and has been sharing his updates over here:

http://www.f1technic...c...?f=1&t=9909

Edited by BRK, 21 January 2012 - 21:27.


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Posted 21 January 2012 - 21:27

I think I can safely predict that Red Bull's exhausts will be blowing over the rear brake ducts.


that's highly unlikely


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#340 cilurnum

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 21:28

No it's not. :D

#341 Clatter

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 21:58

Tangent and OT, don't know if this has been posted here before but there's a guy that's done an insane job with a cardboard model of the RB7 and has been sharing his updates over here:

http://www.f1technic...c...?f=1&t=9909


That is incredible. I can't believe someone can get so much detail in just using card.

#342 DanardiF1

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 22:10

No it's not. :D


Well explain why then.

#343 Andy865

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 22:12

Just do what everybody else does and ignore him. Why he's decided lurk here instead of his usual verbal spewing grounds is anyone's guess.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 22:31

Just do what everybody else does and ignore him. Why he's decided lurk here instead of his usual verbal spewing grounds is anyone's guess.


Thanks. Will do.

#345 cilurnum

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 00:04

Well explain why then.

I've postulated something so it would be sensible for someone to say why that would be a problem rather than saying 'that's highly unlikely'. All I'm going to do is respond in kind. We then get the usual verbal sewage.

I really don't know why this forum has these threads for discussing the car. :rolleyes:

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 09:16

Just watching the 2010 season review and it's amazing - almost night & day with how Webber performed with that car over the RB7. Could he just not get to grips with the cold blown diffuser or has Seb just come on as a driver?

I think for the neutral it would be interesting if the RB8 suited Webber more than Vettel but the cynic in me thinks this will be unlikely - even if it is does suit him will Webber still have the pace?

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 09:43

Just watching the 2010 season review and it's amazing - almost night & day with how Webber performed with that car over the RB7. Could he just not get to grips with the cold blown diffuser or has Seb just come on as a driver?


2010 - Webber - 242 Points
2011 - Webber - 258 Points

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 12:53

2010 - Webber - 242 Points
2011 - Webber - 258 Points


Go and watch the review - the points tally means is a means of average, you can't really use it to counter my argument unless there are 0 other factors involved.

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 14:49

Go and watch the review - the points tally means is a means of average, you can't really use it to counter my argument unless there are 0 other factors involved.


The fact is, for all the talk of Webber's 'terrible' season, he scored more points in 2011 than 2010.

It's well stated that Webber struggled with the new tyres and had to adjust his driving style accordingly but what is discussed less is that Vettel was having to set the car up with masses of under steer to counter the new tyres.

Neither driver was set up the way they would choose to be, but Vettel quickly found a setup he could work with, and Webber didn't

Edited by jamiegc, 22 January 2012 - 14:51.


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Posted 22 January 2012 - 15:08

I think I can safely predict that Red Bull's exhausts will be blowing over the rear brake ducts.


Is it as safe a prediction as your recent confident prediction that Red Bull will dominate for the next 10 years? :lol: