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#201 balage06

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 19:40

Tamas Pal Kiss will make his debut with BVM Target at Hungaroring

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#202 Brandz07

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 19:47

This grids getting stronger & stronger.

#203 olliek88

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:14

Robin Frijns gets pole and cruises to another win extending his championship lead.

Robin is looking like a special driver, his CV is standout and doing what he is doing in his rookie WSR season is nothing short of special against a very strong grid too & how much interest is there in him from F1? None, nothing & zero. I'm sure you can guess why, rumours suggest he's going to end up in DTM unless someone takes a chance.

Genuinely makes me feel angry that drivers like Robin slip through the net yet some can just buy there way to F1. Perhaps i'm a little naive in wanting F1 teams to employ a driver without him bringing money but F1 is supposed to be the 24 best drivers in the world, not the 24 most fortunate or funded drivers in the world.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:18

I understood he is in the rookie test with Sauber at the end of the year.

#205 CrossF1

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:53

Robin Frijns gets pole and cruises to another win extending his championship lead.

Robin is looking like a special driver, his CV is standout and doing what he is doing in his rookie WSR season is nothing short of special against a very strong grid too & how much interest is there in him from F1? None, nothing & zero. I'm sure you can guess why, rumours suggest he's going to end up in DTM unless someone takes a chance.

Genuinely makes me feel angry that drivers like Robin slip through the net yet some can just buy there way to F1. Perhaps i'm a little naive in wanting F1 teams to employ a driver without him bringing money but F1 is supposed to be the 24 best drivers in the world, not the 24 most fortunate or funded drivers in the world.


Eric Boullier said in Monza that they are close to signing a young Dutch driver for their Young Driver Scheme. It has to be either Frijns or Melker, but I think it is Frijns, because he seems to be more talented. So perhaps his future isn't as dar as you described.

#206 olliek88

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:00

Eric Boullier said in Monza that they are close to signing a young Dutch driver for their Young Driver Scheme. It has to be either Frijns or Melker, but I think it is Frijns, because he seems to be more talented. So perhaps his future isn't as dar as you described.


I really hope thats true. The other talented young dutch driver is De Vries but he's part of the Mclaren scheme so it must be Frijns. Maybe GP2 next season for him then, possibly with DAMS which aren't a bad team & some testing would be a bonus too.

#207 CrossF1

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:12

I really hope thats true. The other talented young dutch driver is De Vries but he's part of the Mclaren scheme so it must be Frijns. Maybe GP2 next season for him then, possibly with DAMS which aren't a bad team & some testing would be a bonus too.


Yeah, with Nasr fighting for the title and Frijns learning, because it is hard to adapt with the GP2 car at first. Then in 2014 it would be Frijns in the title hunt. But he could prove me wrong and do the miracle and win it in his first season.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:16

Robin is looking like a special driver, his CV is standout and doing what he is doing in his rookie WSR season is nothing short of special against a very strong grid too & how much interest is there in him from F1? None, nothing & zero.


There is more than enough interest in Frijns from the world of F1. He is smart and simply concentrates himself on his F3.5 season champsionship.

He will get there, and is going like a rocket!



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Posted 15 September 2012 - 15:30

I really hope thats true. The other talented young dutch driver is De Vries but he's part of the Mclaren scheme so it must be Frijns. Maybe GP2 next season for him then, possibly with DAMS which aren't a bad team & some testing would be a bonus too.

why DAMS? they have Lotus' in GP2 as well, don't they? :drunk:

anyway, I was at the ring today, and was impressed by Frijns. was stopwatching his times, he was within a tenth for 5-6 laps (was doing 1:32.5-6s), then I forgot to stop it for one lap so timed 2 consecutive laps in one. his times for the 2-2 laps were 3:05.08 and 3:05.05 :) hope he can show the GP2 / F1 test driver guys how to win a bigger feeder series' championship.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 15:33

I think Frijns will replace Raikkonen at Lotus if Kimi goes to McLaren after Lewis' departure...

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 15:45

why DAMS? they have Lotus' in GP2 as well, don't they? :drunk:


DAMS is usually where Eric puts his gravity drivers, Grosjean, d'Ambrosio, Tung. Maybe he'll got to Lotus ART but they're not related to Eric's management company whereas DAMS used to be his team.

Lotus ART are about as much related to Lotus F1 as the IndyCar Lotus car was.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 16:19

DAMS is usually where Eric puts his gravity drivers, Grosjean, d'Ambrosio, Tung. Maybe he'll got to Lotus ART but they're not related to Eric's management company whereas DAMS used to be his team.

Lotus ART are about as much related to Lotus F1 as the IndyCar Lotus car was.

maybe I've mistaken it with the WSR lotus, I just remembered there was a lotus-gravity cooperation in one of the feeder series.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 16:26

maybe I've mistaken it with the WSR lotus, I just remembered there was a lotus-gravity cooperation in one of the feeder series.


Kevin Korjus has just moved from Tech1 to Lotus and he's a Gravity driver but that the only connection i know of, ah and Richie Stanaway! He was in the Lotus before his back injury. Perhaps theres a small connection in WSR, not sure about GP2 though.

EDIT: Didn't realise Marco Sorensen is a Gravity driver too, clearly there is a connection in WSR then! :)

Edited by olliek88, 15 September 2012 - 16:29.


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 19:10

Yeah, with Nasr fighting for the title and Frijns learning, because it is hard to adapt with the GP2 car at first. Then in 2014 it would be Frijns in the title hunt. But he could prove me wrong and do the miracle and win it in his first season.

i would love to see this fight, but i believe would be much more like Calado and Gutiérrez then Nasr dominating. One is older but the other jumped first in the series, and they are both talented.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 21:18

DAMS is usually where Eric puts his gravity drivers, Grosjean, d'Ambrosio, Tung. Maybe he'll got to Lotus ART but they're not related to Eric's management company whereas DAMS used to be his team.

Lotus ART are about as much related to Lotus F1 as the IndyCar Lotus car was.

Why would Frijns go to GP2 anyway? It would be a step down from FR3.5. I think he'll be in F1 next year. He's already been linked with Sauber.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 23:27

Why would Frijns go to GP2 anyway? It would be a step down from FR3.5. I think he'll be in F1 next year. He's already been linked with Sauber.


At the very least, a sideways step but the quality of the fields tips it in F3.5's favour. I don't think Sauber will change their race driver line-up; he could do a Bottas and get into the team for the odd Friday if they adopt the Williams/FI approach.

Edited by Disgrace, 15 September 2012 - 23:28.


#217 Zava

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 07:35

anyone got a live stream for the quali? if yes, PM me and thank in advance :blush:

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:28

Whoaaa, what an action there! Frijns is on Fire!

#219 Zava

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:46

Whoaaa, what an action there! Frijns is on Fire!

and again, going side by side with Pic into turn 4, and going through! :eek:

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:47

Whoaaa, what an action there! Frijns is on Fire!


And Magnussen is smoking!

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:51

:rotfl:

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:55

8 days ago i met Antonio Felix Da Costa and wished him good luck for the weekend, maybe he had that luck this weekend instead!

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:56

damn, I was rooting for da Costa to catch Magnussen in the closing stages, but not like that... a bit sad I couldn't go today as well.
also, Tamás finished p11, pretty good for a stand in race (especialy considering Abt and Vainio) :)

nice words from da Costa.

Edited by Zava, 16 September 2012 - 11:57.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:05

I think Pal Kiss is better than his GP3 results show - Atech CRS have never looked very competitive. Still, one race when none of them have tested isn't going to be conclusive - especially as he probably knows the track better.

Congratulations to Felix da Costa, surely this is a nail in the coffin for Rossi's slim F1 hopes? Falling behind your teammate in the points when you have a 6 race head-start is pretty unforgivable.

EDIT: And forgot to say - commiserations to Magnussen, you can't get much more unlucky than that.

Edited by KateLM, 16 September 2012 - 12:09.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:07

Extremely tough look for Magnussen up front, reminded me of Hill in 1997. :|

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:08

Reminded me more of Hakkinen in '01; he had basically parked it whilst still in the lead.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:11

Reminded me more of Hakkinen in '01; he had basically parked it whilst still in the lead.

True true, I was thinking more of Hill as both were at Hungary.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 16:54

Apparently after todays race, Felix da Costa had a chance to try a Red Bull F1 car (I believe it's a RB7):

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I certainly hope he makes it there some day.

Edited by keiichi, 16 September 2012 - 16:55.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 17:08

nosecone has the RB6 style bulges, but there is no shark fin... yesterday I was there, and saw the car which was used for shows by Buemi (probably the same as this one, why bring 2 different cars?) had the RB6 nose, but it also had the first version of the RB7 exhaust, which was only there for the car launch, and maybe the first (2) test days:
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so probably it was a new hybrid showcar. the old one with the pre2009 body and the 2009 nose+wings was getting really outdated...

ps: the live commentator on the track was sooooo dumb, during the RB show: "by the way this is a world champion car, Vettel won the WDC last year with it (with that nose? good luck going through scrutineering) and now he's coming down the main straight, hear that sound... the teams are very secretive about it, but it is definitely between 800 and 900 bhp..." every f*cking 5 minutes.

Edited by Zava, 16 September 2012 - 17:10.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 17:53

Yeah, I also noticed the nose, but since I also didn't see the shark fin I thought it might be a RB7. Even though I must admit I thought it was a bit strange from Red Bull to be using such a recent car. I guess you're right then.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:50

I think Pal Kiss is better than his GP3 results show - Atech CRS have never looked very competitive. Still, one race when none of them have tested isn't going to be conclusive - especially as he probably knows the track better.

Congratulations to Felix da Costa, surely this is a nail in the coffin for Rossi's slim F1 hopes? Falling behind your teammate in the points when you have a 6 race head-start is pretty unforgivable.

EDIT: And forgot to say - commiserations to Magnussen, you can't get much more unlucky than that.

yeah, I wasn't trying to make it look like he's better than the other GP3 newbies based on 1 single race weekend, because I don't think so. still, I hope he can prove me wrong :) and it seems he will have the opportunity, I just read a hungarian interview with him, and he said he' happy that the team was fully pleased with his performance, and they want him to race for them on the next weekend as well. I hope the sponsors agree and can make it work. :up:

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:13

I saw a snatch of this on Eurosport. Why was it held behind closed doors?

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 13:30

Poor old Kevin :cry:

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 19:30

I've seen a few places making a big deal out of the fact that the WSR cars where quicker than the GP2 cars around the Hungaroring but it is slightly deceiving as the WSR cars have barn door wings, especially the rear wing, and use a DRS system (albeit in a slightly different way).

FR3.5 is the better in terms of grid quality but the GP2 still has a lot going for it, racing the same weekends and the same circuits as the F1 boys and, more importantly, using the Pirellis, i think that is a big help. If i was a driver and had a choice (money not being an issue) i'd still go for GP2, not by much but it has more relevance to F1 than WSR and if your good enough then you'll stand out regardless of the driver quality around you.

Either way its an interesting debate and WSR has certainly made progress, if GP2 wants to remain ahead it needs to start cutting costs and soon, 3 of GP3's top drivers going to WSR instead isn't good for GP2. Not one bit.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 05:42

I've seen a few places making a big deal out of the fact that the WSR cars where quicker than the GP2 cars around the Hungaroring but it is slightly deceiving as the WSR cars have barn door wings, especially the rear wing, and use a DRS system (albeit in a slightly different way).

That sounds a disappointment.

Why not replace the V8 with an enlarged version of the 3.5L V10 F1 from 1994 (say 4.0L)? An extra 100 hp should get those GP2 cars moving at little extra cost (it would just be a Renault take on the long mileage sportscar engines as made by Ferrari (4.0 V12) and Judd (4.0 V10) in the 90s and proposed for use in the below & cheaper than GP2 level "formula superfund" ). :cool:

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 18 September 2012 - 05:44.


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Posted 21 September 2012 - 10:36

nosecone has the RB6 style bulges, but there is no shark fin... yesterday I was there, and saw the car which was used for shows by Buemi (probably the same as this one, why bring 2 different cars?) had the RB6 nose, but it also had the first version of the RB7 exhaust, which was only there for the car launch, and maybe the first (2) test days:
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so probably it was a new hybrid showcar. the old one with the pre2009 body and the 2009 nose+wings was getting really outdated...

ps: the live commentator on the track was sooooo dumb, during the RB show: "by the way this is a world champion car, Vettel won the WDC last year with it (with that nose? good luck going through scrutineering) and now he's coming down the main straight, hear that sound... the teams are very secretive about it, but it is definitely between 800 and 900 bhp..." every f*cking 5 minutes.


António said on TV that it was a RB6.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 09:51

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/102934

1. Nick Yelloly Comtec 2m09.593s
2. Robin Frijns Fortec 2m09.715s + 0.122s
3. Antonio Frijns da Costa Arden Caterham 2m09.990s + 0.397s
:p

start in 10 min?


edit: if one could PM me an english stream, I'd be happy. :)

Edited by Zava, 29 September 2012 - 10:00.


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Posted 29 September 2012 - 10:53

wow, it seems da Costa likes the flavor of winning.

why was caterham team investigated?

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 10:57

wow, it seems da Costa likes the flavor of winning.

why was caterham team investigated?

Has probably something to do with Rossi's puncture early on.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 11:07

wow, it seems da Costa likes the flavor of winning.


When is the race? Live timing says it has already finished and that he won again!

http://lt1.alkamelsy...s.com/beta/wsr/

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 11:09

Why is Yelloly either 1st or nowhere?

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 11:14

Why is Yelloly either 1st or nowhere?

He's very good in the rain and only decent on other occasions.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 11:28

He's very good in the rain and only decent on other occasions.


Ah fair enough.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 11:32

It's not looking good for Alexander Rossi,his teammate came into the team and is blowing him away.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:36

That Fortec car seems to be going backwards in rainy conditions. Frijns' teammate was also somewhere in the back. On the straight he was quite fast, so I guess a bad or bone dry setup?



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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:25

It's not looking good for Alexander Rossi,his teammate came into the team and is blowing him away.


This is very true. America's next prospect may have to wait.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:36

This is very true. America's next prospect may have to wait.

They may be waiting a long time, Rossi was the best hope they had since...well, Scott Speed I guess. I don't think Conor Daly quite has it. Well, actually I've been thinking that about Rossi for a couple of years and I rate him higher than Daly!

Da Costa, on the other hand, surely has to be favourite for next year's title. That's if Marko doesn't get fed up with one of the STR drivers and promotes him mid-season.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:56

Just watched the race... Bianchi was first, Frijns 3rd, Da Costa 5th, and then Yelloly 1st, Da Costa 2nd, and Bianchi 5th...
Anyone know what happened between? :D
It seems there was ads at the worst moment ever =/

Bianchi made many mistakes.. I know it was a wet race, but it's not something you expect from someone who wants to be in F1

Edited by Yhamm, 29 September 2012 - 16:58.


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Posted 29 September 2012 - 17:12

Just watched the race... Bianchi was first, Frijns 3rd, Da Costa 5th, and then Yelloly 1st, Da Costa 2nd, and Bianchi 5th...
Anyone know what happened between? :D

Bianchi and Negrao were so busy fighting each other that they both went wide at some place.
Later on Bianchi made one or two other mistakes. Negrao suddenly stopped after after going round.

Da Costa and Yelloly were in a class of their own pacewise and had a pretty nice fight until Yelloly went wide, cut a chicane and had to let Da Costa pass, who then opened up a gap.
Frijns looked like having some handling problem (maybe tyres, maybe setup, maybe something else) and had to defend all the way to the finish - which he did quite well.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 17:23

...

Thank you :up: