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#1 Herr Wankel

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:28

Just read that Marco has succombed to his injuries sustained at Sepang today.So very sad.He was a REAL character. RIP Marco

A very sad HW

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#2 fil2.8

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:37

Just read that Marco has succombed to his injuries sustained at Sepang today.So very sad.He was a REAL character. RIP Marco

A very sad HW



Yes , a sad day :cry: , and as you rightly say , a character , one of very , very few in today's paddocks

RIP , Marco :cry: , :cry:

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:50

Yes , a sad day :cry: , and as you rightly say , a character , one of very , very few in today's paddocks

RIP , Marco :cry: , :cry:


My heart goes out to Marcos' family and friends. I feel he could have become a world champion in MotoGP. Sadly now we will never know.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:51

Very sad news, I felt he was a breath of fresh air in the class

I feel for Colin too.

#5 sterling49

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 10:10

Just read this on Yahoo................sad, and just one week after Dan Wheldon.

#6 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 10:53

Marco was truly a breath of fresh air in Moto GP. He will be sadly missed. R.I.P. Marco.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 12:16

god speed marco. couldn't believe it.

dont even get me started on the reasons why we have lost another racer, christ they went to so much heartache to get safer circuits and they end up with unnsafe motorcycles, how many motorcycle racers is it now we have lost in the last few years.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 13:46

god speed marco. couldn't believe it.

dont even get me started on the reasons why we have lost another racer, christ they went to so much heartache to get safer circuits and they end up with unnsafe motorcycles, how many motorcycle racers is it now we have lost in the last few years.

Wind your neck back in.
It was a tragic racing incident, his bike lowsided and he was struck by following bikes who were too close to avoid him. The reason why he lost his helmet will no doubt emerge in time.

RIP Marco, a star who never got the chance to show his full potential. :cry:

Edited by exclubracer, 23 October 2011 - 13:50.


#9 JacnGille

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 14:06

Damn damn damn damn damn

#10 tonyed

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 14:43

I feel today we have lost one of the ‘old school’ racers. A man capable of dishing it out and taking it, the way it used to be. A man that, in my opinion, would have been great on a 500 two stroke.
The way he hustled the 250 Gilera around, absolutely dominating it. Occasionally making the odd rash move, but rarely did I see him backing down. This man was the future of MotoGP.
Rarely have I felt so devastated, not since the death of Freddie Mercury have I felt this gut wrenchingly bad about someones’ death.
I am not religious and do not approve of the mawkish sentiment that sometimes accompanies these occasions, with numbers being ‘retired’ and worn on race bikes, however I think a minutes applause, on the starting grid at Valencia, would be a fitting tribute.
You helped to light up a sport being increasingly strangled by the burden of modern business practice.
Thanks Marco for what you achieved. If Buddhism is correct and you do come back, come back as you left, fast, aggressive and last but not least entertaining.

RIP Marco.




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Posted 23 October 2011 - 15:51

Very well said , and very true , Tony :cry:

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 16:24

Can anyone recall a race being cancelled due to an incident like this? If you went far enough back, I guess races didn't even get stopped when the worst happened.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 16:40

Can anyone recall a race being cancelled due to an incident like this? If you went far enough back, I guess races didn't even get stopped when the worst happened.


I think it was more because of the late start time than anything else. Once the medical helicopter was back in place, and the medical team was prepared for the restart, it would've been pushing six o'clock Malaysia time.

You don't have to go back very far: last year the San Marino GP in the Moto2 class wasn't stopped after Shoya Tomizawa's fatal accident.

Edited by Risil, 23 October 2011 - 16:41.


#14 Russell Burrows

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 16:41

Can anyone recall a race being cancelled due to an incident like this? If you went far enough back, I guess races didn't even get stopped when the worst happened.


I think that's right. I'm not sure why they abandoned the race - perhaps the riders just wouldn't re-start ? Contrary to the claims of at least one poster, racing deaths are far less frequent nowadays so when disaster does strike the impact is all the greater?


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Posted 23 October 2011 - 16:58

I think that's right. I'm not sure why they abandoned the race - perhaps the riders just wouldn't re-start ? Contrary to the claims of at least one poster, racing deaths are far less frequent nowadays so when disaster does strike the impact is all the greater?


There are rules about having medical staff and a helicopter available when a race starts. As Marco was still being attended by the medics, they needed to keep the helicopter on standby. When he passed away it was nearly 5pm - the race would have been unlikely to restart before 5.30, which would have been close to darkness in that part of the world.

Tomizawa died on track. Neither medical staff or helicopter were required.

As for the "old days" - yes the races would re-start and yes, riders would be taken by ambulance to whatever hospital was available and many died on the way or shortly after arriving, because there were few medics and no helicopters.



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Posted 23 October 2011 - 17:06

Can anyone recall a race being cancelled due to an incident like this? If you went far enough back, I guess races didn't even get stopped when the worst happened.



Monza 1973 IIRC :cry: :cry:

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 18:13

As for the "old days" - yes the races would re-start and yes, riders would be taken by ambulance to whatever hospital was available and many died on the way or shortly after arriving, because there were few medics and no helicopters.


Yeah, I noticed that.


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Posted 23 October 2011 - 18:30


Very few riders come along that other riders, be they club, national or international feel they can really get behind and hope they do well. For me Marco was such a rider and I always wanted him to do well and stick it to the rest of them. He was a riders rider and sadly the list of them is one fewer. Colin Edwards is on my list but I hope he now rethinks his CRT ride next year and have some time with his family and looks to do something else within the sport. Still a great rider with nothing to prove but I do fear for him.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 19:32

The Daily Mail website's coverage of the accident is nothing short of disgraceful. They should hang their heads in shame.

The most telling aspect for me is that it has been "written" by "Daily Mail reporter". The spineless b******s cannot even put a name to the report.

Marco Simoncelli will be dreadfully missed by a lot of people, he brought something special to the MotoGP paddock.

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#20 fil2.8

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 19:57

The Daily Mail website's coverage of the accident is nothing short of disgraceful. They should hang their heads in shame.

The most telling aspect for me is that it has been "written" by "Daily Mail reporter". The spineless b******s cannot even put a name to the report.

Marco Simoncelli will be dreadfully missed by a lot of people, he brought something special to the MotoGP paddock.



entirely agree with you , I could not / did not want to see any more , disgusting , disgraceful , all that's bad about journalism is there for all to see :mad: , I hope the same fate does not happen to the reporter and photographer involved , ................................

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 21:25

I disagree completely. I watched the crash live and I've read the Daily Mail online news and pictures. I can see nothing wrong to warrant such over-the-top comments. Such shock/horror comments from you, something you'd normally accuse the Daily Mail of. What's wrong? Showing the rider on the track? Showing friends and relatives who are upset? C'mon now.


#22 Russell Burrows

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 22:52

I disagree completely. I watched the crash live and I've read the Daily Mail online news and pictures. I can see nothing wrong to warrant such over-the-top comments. Such shock/horror comments from you, something you'd normally accuse the Daily Mail of. What's wrong? Showing the rider on the track? Showing friends and relatives who are upset? C'mon now.

Running to the defence of a sensationalist rag over their lurid treatment of the death of this young guy strikes me as a bit weird, doing it on a bike racing site on the very day he was lost is crass insensitivity.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 23 October 2011 - 23:59.


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Posted 23 October 2011 - 23:13

Watched the race and as soon as it happened and his helmet had come off I thought this is very bad and my next thoughts were of Jarno and Renzo at Monza.RIP young man and thoughts with your family at this time.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 03:49

Watched the race and as soon as it happened and his helmet had come off I thought this is very bad and my next thoughts were of Jarno and Renzo at Monza.RIP young man and thoughts with your family at this time.


For as much grief people gave Marco for his his aggressive riding he was a breath of fresh air! And for someone to ride as he did on a non-factory bike and ride as well as he did was more than admirable. i'm sad for his family and what could have been, a shining star cut so short... i raced today in his Honor!!!

Edited by bsracer, 25 October 2011 - 14:31.


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Posted 24 October 2011 - 07:03

Marco Simoncelli was indeed a colourful character and a very talented rider. The sport has suffered a tremendous loss. Spending so much time both watching him race and listening to interviews brings us all closer to the riders and the loss becomes quite personal. I imagine the impact on Rossi will be devastating and may well colour his future in the sport. Although I'm sure that being hit in the head at high speed by a GP motorcycle would be likely to have disastrous consequences anyway, I can't help but wonder if the volume of his hair may have required him to use an oversize helmet, which may not have been so secure. Tragic.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 07:36

Marco Simoncelli was indeed a colourful character and a very talented rider. The sport has suffered a tremendous loss. Spending so much time both watching him race and listening to interviews brings us all closer to the riders and the loss becomes quite personal. I imagine the impact on Rossi will be devastating and may well colour his future in the sport. Although I'm sure that being hit in the head at high speed by a GP motorcycle would be likely to have disastrous consequences anyway, I can't help but wonder if the volume of his hair may have required him to use an oversize helmet, which may not have been so secure. Tragic.


Though I'm not inclined to take part in any theories why his helmet came off, here is an interesting contribution on another site

http://www.ttwebsite...d.php?tid=12163

Edited by Rennmax, 24 October 2011 - 07:49.


#27 Ray Oldam

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:00

Very sad. Great rider and a wonderful character with so much potential. Taken too soon.

RIP Marco.

Ray

Edited by Ray Oldam, 24 October 2011 - 08:01.


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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:06

As a fan of this young lad i am very saddened by the loss of such a lovely person,a true breathe of fresh air in MotoGP and i thank him for the time he showed us how it should be when you love the thing you do and enjoy it to the full.

RIP Marco Simoncelli.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:23

Though I'm not inclined to take part in any theories why his helmet came off, here is an interesting contribution on another site

http://www.ttwebsite...d.php?tid=12163

There is a lot of sense in that link. As a retired motorcycle dealer who over the years fitted hundreds-if not thousands- of helmets for customers I fully appreciate the logic. Marco was a great rider and a real character.He will be missed.RIP Marco.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 12:12

Running to the defence of a sensationalist rag over their lurid treatment of the death of this young guy strikes me as a bit weird, doing it on a bike racing site on the very day he was lost is crass insensitivity.


No running here Russell, it's just that I've read the online article and cannot find anything lurid about it. Certainly no more lurid than other motorsport fatalities reported in the press over the years. "Crass insensitivity"? Well we're all entitled to our opinions and these are mine. Motorsport is a dangerous event and it's just a miracle that more crashes don't lead to deaths. I'd don't recall so many crashes back on the days of Hailwood, Ivy and Minter. I do know that their leathers they wore were damned thin. These days riders seem to crash with worrying regularity and fortunately with their better leathers and big gravel traps they often BUT NOT ALWAYS get away with it. I take my hats off to the courage of riders and drivers but I could do without all the breast beating by fans when things go wrong. Things do go wrong and will do so in the future. It's a fact of life.


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Posted 24 October 2011 - 13:14

I disagree completely. I watched the crash live and I've read the Daily Mail online news and pictures. I can see nothing wrong to warrant such over-the-top comments. Such shock/horror comments from you, something you'd normally accuse the Daily Mail of. What's wrong? Showing the rider on the track? Showing friends and relatives who are upset? C'mon now.


I'm afraid I'm with fil and Gatmo. No newspaper should be putting images like that for all to see and some to no doubt gawp at. Show some respect. Although given this is the Mail we're talking about, I don't see that plea going anywhere. Disgraceful.
Anyway, back to the real topic here.

Tony has put it wonderfully for me. We should celebrate this young man's life. He was a character in a sport where there are so few at that level these days. I believe he would have been Moto GP champion, I genuinely do. A hammer blow for all that is good about the sport, in a freak accident, the like of which I've never seen before. A tragedy, in all respects.

The tradition at the ice hockey which is my other sporting love is if a fan or suchlike meets his maker, we have a minute's applause and/or 3 long loud blasts on the goal hooter. I'd like to see this kind of thing be more widespread.

RIP Sic.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 14:38

No running here Russell, it's just that I've read the online article and cannot find anything lurid about it. Certainly no more lurid than other motorsport fatalities reported in the press over the years. "Crass insensitivity"? Well we're all entitled to our opinions and these are mine. Motorsport is a dangerous event and it's just a miracle that more crashes don't lead to deaths. I'd don't recall so many crashes back on the days of Hailwood, Ivy and Minter. I do know that their leathers they wore were damned thin. These days riders seem to crash with worrying regularity and fortunately with their better leathers and big gravel traps they often BUT NOT ALWAYS get away with it. I take my hats off to the courage of riders and drivers but I could do without all the breast beating by fans when things go wrong. Things do go wrong and will do so in the future. It's a fact of life.


There were plenty of accidents back in times of Hailwood etc. They didn't make the headlines and unless you were there or read the weeklies, you'd often not know. In fact all too often accidents would only be noted on a single line at the end of the article. I'm afraid that if a backmarker came off out on the long circuit at Brands, it possibly wouldn't be noticed by the spectators.

The media has changed in the past 40 odd years.



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Posted 24 October 2011 - 16:40

No running here Russell, it's just that I've read the online article and cannot find anything lurid about it. Certainly no more lurid than other motorsport fatalities reported in the press over the years. "Crass insensitivity"? Well we're all entitled to our opinions and these are mine. Motorsport is a dangerous event and it's just a miracle that more crashes don't lead to deaths. I'd don't recall so many crashes back on the days of Hailwood, Ivy and Minter. I do know that their leathers they wore were damned thin. These days riders seem to crash with worrying regularity and fortunately with their better leathers and big gravel traps they often BUT NOT ALWAYS get away with it. I take my hats off to the courage of riders and drivers but I could do without all the breast beating by fans when things go wrong. Things do go wrong and will do so in the future. It's a fact of life.


On witnessing the death of a son, I suspect most people would prefer not to have their immediate reactions recorded by someone thrusting a camera in their face for the purpose of selling the image to the tabloid press - you though wouldn’t mind?

Edited by Russell Burrows, 24 October 2011 - 20:15.


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Posted 24 October 2011 - 20:07

On witnessing the death of son, I suspect most people would prefer not to have their immediate reactions recorded by someone thrusting a camera in their face for the purpose of selling the image to the tabloid press - you though wouldn’t mind?



Very well said , Russ , as most on here know , iv'e been involved for more years than I care to think of , and have witnessed at first hand the distress that fatal , and not so fatal accidents cause , only two seasons ago my rider was extremely lucky to survive a near fatal at Snetterton , I , have pics of that , very similar to Marco's , in fact , and on that very day another close pal was being buried , after crashing in Belgium :cry:
There was a high mortality rate in most years until recently , I lost several friends over those years , and , the last thing needed was a camera / press near to record the gory details , but , it is a sport , which hopefully will never leave me !!!!

End of matter , to distressful , i'm sorry :cry: :cry:


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Posted 25 October 2011 - 06:25

Marco Simoncelli; A real character and exceptional talent, a sad and tragic day for motorcycle racing. RIP Marco, #58 is going to be sadly missed.

Jim Redman says on a regular basis - in his day, sadly anywhere between six to a dozen competitors lost their lives every season, bad ones, good ones, indifferent ones and world champions.

The first one I can remember was Bob Brown in 1960. Since then of course there has been to many to list until recent years, when a lot of tracks have got safer and the riding equipment has greatly improved. Psychologists suggest we as humans simply cannot grieve for anyone that we do not personally know which maybe so but I can often recall where I was at the time of hearing news of another rider (s) losing their lives and feeling totally shocked and gutted about it.

An aspect of this sport that has always affected me the same way and had difficulty coming to terms with. My very first motor sport hero was the speedway rider Peter Craven, who lost his life in a track crash at Edinburgh in 1963, and I was to walk away completely from that sport until the early 70’s as a result.

Like Phil, I have also been at the race meetings where riders have been involved in a fatal or near fatal crashes and seen the panic, shock and horror on the faces of their wives, girlfriends, family and friends and in turn it has affected me emotionally and sometimes hearing their screams, as the reality of the situation has hit them. One occasion it was a sidecar race at Oulton Park where if I recall more than one competitor lost their life and the reaction of their loved ones and friends was heart breaking. I could never have brought myself to photograph them dealing with their grief and realisation of having just lost a loved one.

Personally, I think that is crossing a line. The crash sequence itself up to a point as we are often viewing ‘live’ so its difficult not to be exposed to it but to make the still and moving images available subsequently is a fact now of this media age but not one I feel palatable about.


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Posted 25 October 2011 - 06:59

Marco Simoncelli; A real character and exceptional talent, a sad and tragic day for motorcycle racing. RIP Marco, #58 is going to be sadly missed.

Jim Redman says on a regular basis - in his day, sadly anywhere between six to a dozen competitors lost their lives every season, bad ones, good ones, indifferent ones and world champions.

The first one I can remember was Bob Brown in 1960. Since then of course there has been to many to list until recent years, when a lot of tracks have got safer and the riding equipment has greatly improved. Psychologists suggest we as humans simply cannot grieve for anyone that we do not personally know which maybe so but I can often recall where I was at the time of hearing news of another rider (s) losing their lives and feeling totally shocked and gutted about it.

An aspect of this sport that has always affected me the same way and had difficulty coming to terms with. My very first motor sport hero was the speedway rider Peter Craven, who lost his life in a track crash at Edinburgh in 1963, and I was to walk away completely from that sport until the early 70’s as a result.

Like Phil, I have also been at the race meetings where riders have been involved in a fatal or near fatal crashes and seen the panic, shock and horror on the faces of their wives, girlfriends, family and friends and in turn it has affected me emotionally and sometimes hearing their screams, as the reality of the situation has hit them. One occasion it was a sidecar race at Oulton Park where if I recall more than one competitor lost their life and the reaction of their loved ones and friends was heart breaking. I could never have brought myself to photograph them dealing with their grief and realisation of having just lost a loved one.

Personally, I think that is crossing a line. The crash sequence itself up to a point as we are often viewing ‘live’ so its difficult not to be exposed to it but to make the still and moving images available subsequently is a fact now of this media age but not one I feel palatable about.


We all say we are not into motogp .... We hate it with passion!! But we all watch it; we may not admit it... .. The light at the end of the tunnel has been one man… who upset the apple cart!!(Side show bob) Marco Simoncelli, his was easy going even when the hole of Spain was against him!!
As Phil and Jim have said we have all been there, it’s not nice it’s sickening to see but we get over it but do we!!!
For a man who put two fingers up to system ……..R.I.P Marco…………………….!!


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Posted 25 October 2011 - 10:19

We all say we are not into motogp .... We hate it with passion!! But we all watch it



i can fully confirm i do not watch it, its hard these days to not read about it or see clips of it though. the accidents that happen in this modern age are getting pretty serious, 9 times out of 10 whether it be at british level or wotld level seem to involve another machine hitting a fallen bike or rider, not since the 80s im sure have we lost so many riders.

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 17:24

i can fully confirm i do not watch it, its hard these days to not read about it or see clips of it though. the accidents that happen in this modern age are getting pretty serious, 9 times out of 10 whether it be at british level or wotld level seem to involve another machine hitting a fallen bike or rider, not since the 80s im sure have we lost so many riders.

Hi, I dont think most crashes we see on the box involve a bike hitting a fallen rider. Of course some do and it was ever thus. I founded an Amateur Speedway Club -about 16 years ago. We used to run 50 races at a meeting-time permitting we still do. First bend crashes were always happening,but not too many riders got clobbered by another bike and rider. The other thing we must take into account is the radical nature of the bikes and tyres used in Moto GP. Only Casey seems to be able to ride the wheels off the thing and get away with it. Some of his powerslides are amazing. BUT shut it off too quick when sliding and watch it snap back and highside! These guys have proved they are as good as they come-the Aliens that is-and can manage the animals they have to get on. Also,we must take into account the pressure the media,the team,the sponsors apply,directly or indirectly. These guys HAVE to perform in practise,qualifying and the race. I was only a rabbit by comparison and after a big off-I had several - I was crap untill the old nerve came back. These guys are so special they are back on and strutting their stuff almost straight away. Any form of racing on two wheels caries a high risk of personal injury and death. Makes you wonder why they do it eh! Tracks have never been safer, riding kit and helmets have never been better, medical cover is normally first rate. Sometimes,as in Marco's case this is not enough and we lose a fine rider,a real character and as other posters have said, a breath of fresh air among the top bike racers in the world. Marco died with his boots on,doing what he obviously felt he was born for. Lets mourn his passing but reflect on what he gave us all while he was striving the get to the top of his proffesion.RIP Marco.

Edited by rotrax, 25 October 2011 - 22:11.


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Posted 30 October 2011 - 19:36

http://www.f1network...80/st172526.htm