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#51 Andy865

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 20:31

So you missed the fact that the new Chevy is made by the people that made the old Honda then ??


Indeed, absolutely and comprehensively! :drunk:

Hmm, now its a difficult choice...

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#52 peacockantony

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 20:35

So far only one team has confirmed to use Lotus Judd engines. A few more should be announced as the man in charge said quite clearly that GL's target are new teams.

Corrected your post for you.

#53 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 21:13

Unless something has changed they'll be running as Lotus engines.

#54 red stick

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 20:43

Busy week. From what we now know:

Penske (Chevy):
Power
Castroneves
Briscoe

Ganassi (Honda):
Franchitti
Dixon
Rahal
Kimball

Andretti (Chevy):
Andretti
Hunter-Reay
Conway?
The GoDaddy ride

Newman/Haas (Honda?):
Servia
Hinchcliffe

Dreyer & Reinbold:
?

KV (Chevy):
Kanaan

Rahal Letterman Lanigan (Honda):
2 cars

Panther (Chevy):
Hildebrand?

HVM:
de Silvestro

Ed Carpenter:
Carpenter

Sarah Fisher:
?

Foyt (Honda):
Baguette?

Sam Schmidt:
Pagenaud

Coyne:
?

Michael Shank (Lotus):
?

Edited by red stick, 05 November 2011 - 00:09.


#55 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 20:50

Panther is Chevrolet. Hell I think John Barnes has Chevy dealerships.

#56 red stick

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 00:08

Panther is Chevrolet. Hell I think John Barnes has Chevy dealerships.

I would have thought so, and it's confirmed on their website. Thanks.

#57 PayasYouRace

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 09:09

Busy week. From what we now know:
<Red Stick's list>


Not a bad line up for November. During the split years we'd only have about 5 cars confirmed at this stage.

Edited by PayasYouRace, 05 November 2011 - 09:10.


#58 Xpat

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 11:13

Carpenter will be driving for his own team next year.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/95862

It will be partly owned by Tony George. Sounds like Vision Racing part 2 then. Having said that I think he deserves a ride as he has done well on a number of ovals and did win Kentucky this year.


Looks like Derrick Walker is running the team.

http://auto-racing.s...to-run-new-team

#59 Xpat

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 11:16

So far only one team has confirmed to use Lotus engines. A few more should be announced as the man in charge said quite clearly that GL's target are new teams.


Here is a question from Miller's Mailbag re the Lotus/Judd engine.


Q: So what's the deal with the Lotus engine? Is it happening? I still found it very curious and telling that the team that has had Lotus sponsorship for two years is going a different route. Do you think they'll make the grid?


RM: Oh yeah, they're on the dyno and Mike Shank has committed to be the first team. KV Racing and Lotus didn't turn out to be a good marriage but not at liberty to say why just yet.


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#60 PayasYouRace

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 11:16

Looks like Derrick Walker is running the team.

http://auto-racing.s...to-run-new-team


Now that's a man who should be running an Indycar team. This could go somewhere.

I was a big fan of Walker Racing when Gil de Ferran was with them.

#61 bonneville

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 11:38

Now that's a man who should be running an Indycar team. This could go somewhere.

I was a big fan of Walker Racing when Gil de Ferran was with them.


And the car looked awesome with the Valvoline livery !!!

Gil De Ferran, Robby Gordon, this guy had a few good years. Unfortunately he never managed to build a strong racing operation.

Here is Robby Gordon, Walker driver between 1994 and 1996

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Gil De Ferran who drove for Walker between 1997 and 1999.

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#62 eimin

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 12:46

Esteban Guerrieri is looking for some Goverment funds to make 2012 full season
talking about $5mil

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#63 teejay

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 15:57

Would it not be a good idea for some of these small teams to form alliances with each other. New cars, new engines, data sharing could be vital.

#64 piercey

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 03:16

For what it is worth Conquest is confirmed for Lotus. Eric Bachelart confirmed it during a radio interview in Las Vegas.

#65 Kompressor

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 08:05

I haven't watched a full IRL race since the split. I hated the cars and the style of racing. I kept changing the channel out of boredom. I'll have to see a street circuit, a road course and a few types of oval races before I decide to get back into the series. I'm still skeptical but I like what I'm hearing regarding the new formula.

#66 cheapracer

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 08:35

Gordon Kirby on Bruce Ashmore's critique of the new Dallara. I go back and forth about how much of this is penetrating analysis and how much is sour grapes.

http://www.gordonkir...t_is_no310.html


Mostly a very sensible article that applies to a lot of motor racing today. You don't need 1000hp but you do need an engine overpowering the chassis/tyres.

The bit that grabs me is about Indy locals supporting an Italian company at the end of the day, was that the plan all along ....

Mind you at the end of the day Ashmore can simply start his own series, sounds like a lazy bastard who is a bit miffed people didn't throw money at him.

As for the 2012 Dallara, I'm with Ashmore, that's no safer at the front and actually worse than some previous incarnations - the rear is a big step forward though.

The spine thing I'm guessing is they are near horizontal now and a frontal impact compacts the spine.


#67 Kompressor

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:23

The spine thing I'm guessing is they are near horizontal now and a frontal impact compacts the spine.


It's always been the rear impact that does the spinal damage if I recall correctly. I suppose there are the upper and lower back injuries to consider. Oval racing may be the real culprit.

http://webcache.goog...r...=clnk&gl=us

Edited by Kompressor, 07 November 2011 - 09:35.


#68 Peat

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:33

At least they sound different from each other :clap:


They sound like F3 cars....

Anyone know what engine-life they are going for with these units?

#69 Xpat

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:15

It's always been the rear impact that does the spinal damage if I recall correctly. I suppose there are the upper and lower back injuries to consider. Oval racing may be the real culprit.

http://webcache.goog...r...=clnk&gl=us


Not sure including accidents in the pits has much to do with oval racing.

And while there needs to be a better mix of oval and street/road courses you will not be able to get rid of oval racing in the US.

#70 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 15:52

Finally got round to listening to Midweek Motorsport from the 26th, good interview with Justin Wilson from the Vegas weekend (pre race). He talked about his recovery from the injury and seemed very optimistic about the new season and chances of getting a good drive and the new car levelling the playing field.

#71 B Squared

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 14:33

From what we now know:


Curt Cavin, Indy Star, is thinking 28-29 regulars for the 2012 season at this point in time:

http://blogs.indysta...-and-newgarden/

#72 Jim Thurman

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 19:12

Not sure including accidents in the pits has much to do with oval racing.

And while there needs to be a better mix of oval and street/road courses you will not be able to get rid of oval racing in the US.

It's just someone trying to demonize oval racing by adding in as many as possible to make the numbers greater. Selective counting.

As such, it's as useful as Bob Jenkins' ill-advised and ridiculous attempt to defend Indycars on "ovals" by using the same narrow and highly subjective choices.

Edited by Jim Thurman, 08 November 2011 - 19:13.


#73 ezequiel

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 14:48

It might be useful at this point to run down who is where for next year, which also happened to be a subject in Curt Cavin's blog yesterday. The Lineup:

Penske:
Power
Castroneves

Briscoe (if sponsorship found)

Ganassi:
Franchitti
Dixon
Rahal
Kimball

Andretti:
Andretti
Hunter-Reay
Conway?
The GoDaddy ride (Wilson, Briscoe, etc.)

Newman/Haas:
Servia
Hinchcliffe

Dreyer & Reinbold:
?

KV:
Kanaan


Panther:
Hildebrand returning?

HVM:
de Silvestro


Sarah Fisher:
Carpenter

Foyt:
Meira out, Baguette in?

Sam Schmidt:
Pagenaud?

Coyne:
?

Any other confirmations?



John della Penna is working to get Esteban Guerrieri a race seat for next season, most likely with KV Racing.

Della Penna wants to buy the TV rights for Indy Car in Argentina and get a deal with the government, who's been keen to broadcast international sports competitons with Argentineans on them. That could help to get the 5 million necessary for a top seat through private sponsors and/or state support. If it works out, Argentina could have Indy Car in open and digital TV.

Edited by ezequiel, 09 November 2011 - 14:56.


#74 billm99uk

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 18:49

John della Penna is working to get Esteban Guerrieri a race seat for next season, most likely with KV Racing.

Della Penna wants to buy the TV rights for Indy Car in Argentina and get a deal with the government, who's been keen to broadcast international sports competitons with Argentineans on them. That could help to get the 5 million necessary for a top seat through private sponsors and/or state support. If it works out, Argentina could have Indy Car in open and digital TV.


I thought the Argentine government was, umm... broke?

#75 Red17

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 20:16

I thought the Argentine government was, umm... broke?

Never understimate the appeal of national heroes in international sports.
Remember that rumour about a grade 1 circuit in Greece?

And of course, there is also the neverending rumour of Carlos Reutmann running for president.

#76 B Squared

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 10:23

From an article in this morning's Indy Star:

"IndyCar championship runner-up Will Power, who suffered a back fracture in the Oct. 16 crash at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, has been cleared to return to driving, team officials said. The Team Penske driver will pilot the new Chevrolet/Dallara in a test Monday and Tuesday at Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham, Ala".

#77 jonpollak

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 10:39

That's good news Brian.
Rumors in the Toowoomba pub I was in last week lead me to believe he was heading home for a year.
Jp

#78 B Squared

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 11:25

That's good news Brian.
Rumors in the Toowoomba pub I was in last week lead me to believe he was heading home for a year.
Jp


Jon - Good to see you check in. Very glad that the rumors proved false. Hope you're enjoying the tour. :up:

#79 sopa

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 12:25

I am wondering, how will the changes influence the pecking order in IndyCar. Franchitti has won three titles on the trot - is it the big chance for others to finally beat him? After all, the big rivals Penske and Ganassi are now on different engines, so there is a variable in play. Which team will adapt best in getting the performance out of the new chassis? Which engine could turn out to be better - Chevrolet or Honda? Anyone brave to guess?

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#80 jonpollak

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 17:30

I am wondering, how will the changes influence the pecking order in IndyCar. Franchitti has won three titles on the trot - is it the big chance for others to finally beat him? After all, the big rivals Penske and Ganassi are now on different engines, so there is a variable in play. Which team will adapt best in getting the performance out of the new chassis? Which engine could turn out to be better - Chevrolet or Honda? Anyone brave to guess?

All compelling questions sopa but I'm barely brave enough to watch.
Jp

#81 D.M.N.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 20:16

Adam Cooper
Indycar has announced a street race in Qingdao, China for August 2012. Sounds good on paper
2 minutes ago

China + IndyCar + Street Track. Don't particularly like the sound of that, and if I was to guess, I don't think that weekend will go smoothly.

#82 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 20:38

That's retarded.

#83 Xpat

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 21:02

I like this:

Qingdao, which is known as China's Switzerland...

That can't be all bad, can it?

#84 PayasYouRace

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 21:05

Adam Cooper
Indycar has announced a street race in Qingdao, China for August 2012. Sounds good on paper
2 minutes ago

China + IndyCar + Street Track. Don't particularly like the sound of that, and if I was to guess, I don't think that weekend will go smoothly.


Given US open wheel racing's success with getting events in the far east off the ground I'm not confident that it'll happen.

#85 Xpat

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 21:07

I like this:

Qingdao, which is known as China's Switzerland...

That can't be all bad, can it?



Now I know it can't be all bad!!!

"The IndyCar event will be held in conjunction with the Qingdao International Beer Festival." :clap:


#86 B Squared

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 21:13

Confirmed in the Indy Star:

http://www.indystar....xt|IndyStar.com

#87 Rob G

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 23:44

I like this:

Qingdao, which is known as China's Switzerland...

That can't be all bad, can it?

Well, racing is banned in Switzerland...

#88 Jim Thurman

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 04:01

I like this:

Qingdao, which is known as China's Switzerland...

That can't be all bad, can it?

Switzerland? It's a port city on the Yellow Sea.

Home of Tsingtsao (Qingdao) Beer. Which was a true German beer (by that, I mean it was brewed to German standards).

And everyone can enjoy eating sea intestine.

Edited by Jim Thurman, 11 November 2011 - 04:09.


#89 Radoye

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:17

Well Quingdao, or as it was then known Tsingtao was a German colony until WW1 (just as Hong Kong was British and Macau Portuguese) so there you have it.

#90 teejay

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:28

Hmm. No idea if that is good or bad.

#91 Peat

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 08:12

If America isn't going to support the IndyCar, hopefully China will!

edit: typo

Edited by Peat, 11 November 2011 - 08:12.


#92 Xpat

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 10:42

If America isn't going to support the IndyCar, hopefully China will!

edit: typo


The folks that shop at Walmart love stuff from China.

#93 B Squared

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 10:52

From Robin Miller at Speedtv, handling issues for the new car at IMS:

http://auto-racing.s...speedway-issues

#94 Rob

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 11:05

A race in China is madness. Have they seen the attendance for the F1 races there?

They should concentrate on getting some money coming in first before trying to expand to new markets.

#95 Peat

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 11:06

Disappointing considering that Dallara have 264 years worth (8yrs X 33 cars) of test data from IMS from the old car and still make a stinker.

Hope they get it fixed, if not it's going to be a great year for the heavier drivers like Justin Wilson etc.

#96 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 14:39

A race in China is madness. Have they seen the attendance for the F1 races there?


Queue the return of Ho-Pin Tung

#97 Peat

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 15:44

They shouldn't have a problem getting bums on seats. It's in a city, it co-incides with an already popular beer festival. Add the Ho-Pin Tung factor (+ whatever other Chinese drivers they can find...) and you will have an attendance.

I just hope the cost doesnt cripple some of the teams...

#98 Dolph

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 16:04

Well, racing is banned in Switzerland...


not anymore

#99 ezequiel

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 18:30

I thought the Argentine government was, umm... broke?


No, lol, that's Greece. Most of South America (maybe with the exception of Chile) has been booming economically for a good time

Never understimate the appeal of national heroes in international sports.
Remember that rumour about a grade 1 circuit in Greece?

And of course, there is also the neverending rumour of Carlos Reutmann running for president.


Uh, Reutemann for president. Fortunately never happened, and the rumours stopped a good time ago. :stoned:

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#100 Red17

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 18:34

not anymore

Hmm? Did something changed? I recall discussing this with some people here and it was quite clear the ban for closed circuit racing had not been lifted.