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#1901 paulogman

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 16:32

I'd like to get the opinion of the hard core fans. Do you guys agree with Maldonado's opinion that Williams could challenge McLaren and Red Bull?

I'm glad maldonado thinks that way. I was really pissed off when he threw it away on the last lap when it happened.
now after a couple days to think about it, I like his attitude. he's not gunning to beat the midfield, he's aiming for the front.
whether or not the car can do it is hard to answer after 1 race on a street circuit.
I think the balance of power will shift from race to race as one team does a better job on set up, or their car suits a track more than the others.
points will not be an option every race unless you have a mclaren or red bull or your name is alonso.

the only thing I can say for sure is that the team is much improved over last season. not just the cars.
the way they worked in testing was impressive, lots of laps done and good reliability.
same in practice, quali and the race. this is a great opportunity for the team to show what it can do and attract sponsors.
I agree with an earlier post about the amount of time maldonado was on screen! that's what sponsors pay for!


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#1902 rolf123

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 16:52

First time I've seen the move as I woke up 1/2 hour late for the race.

Maldonaldo should have left Grosjean room. He just crowded him off the race track.

Grosjean had no obligation to lift off whatsoever.

Maldonaldo should have had a penalty for that.

I am amazed how the Renault's wheel crumpled so easily though.

#1903 4L3X

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 16:57

I don't understand the vitriol against PM - he passed Grosjean in a great aggressive move and was more than far enough ahead mid-corner to call the track his own to the exit. It's not like he bundled RG off the racing line in the corner entry and braking zone. A good hard but fair move if you ask me, and exactly what I want to see.

The last lap blunder was much more difficult to forgive - but mistakes happen. If he makes unforced errors all the time then I'd be worried, but I actually think he is a pretty decent driver.

I'm already hoping Williams have a good development path ahead, because they could really be the best-of-the-rest team and finish up 6th. I can't see them beating Lotus though, not this year, and the big 4 are way ahead.

Couldn't agree more.

IIRC, Grosjean was pretty agressive in GP2 too, and a move like that coming from him was totally possible. IIRC 2, there was a race in Valencia were he did just that, maybe in his first season in GP2.

#1904 KoezhVukotic

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 17:42

I'm already hoping Williams have a good development path ahead, because they could really be the best-of-the-rest team and finish up 6th. I can't see them beating Lotus though, not this year, and the big 4 are way ahead.

The big 4 are way ahead? Not in the races they aren't. In the race Maldonado was faster than Rosberg and Alonso and was on similar pace to Kimi, though Kimi was able to slowly catch up to him.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 17:49

Never been a Williams fan, but that was an amazing turnaround compared to the last few years. Just makes me wonder how much better they could do with a couple of good drivers.


It's too early to say. Rosberg was on the podium in Australia in '08, and that car turned out to be a lemon. Early promise, certainly.

#1906 Petroltorque

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 18:09

Look let me sum it up; The car is very, very good. Coughlan and Gillan are the dog's bollocks and Michael was just bollocks, nuff said.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 21:09

IMO Grosjean didn't have enough time to back off on that one, Maldonado did a Massa meaning he expected the Lotus to magically disappear out of the way after the apex..

http://www.dailymoti...n-accident_auto

I don't think it's a dirty move as such, just a lack of racecraft.

Looking at the video again it looks like Maldonado was carrying too much speed into the corner, this caused him to understeer and the tap on Grosjean helped him get back on track! I am not a fan of this move and think it was Maldonados fault.. There is still a lot of growth to be had there but that will come with experience. His heart is in the right place, it's just his head that isn't

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 07:45

Looks like the team will be let down by their drivers on many occasions. Pastor made 2 (or 3) mistakes in the race and Bruno destroyed his race by returning on the track pretending like no one was there :rolleyes:. Not really surprising considering lack of their racecraft, but you would have thought driver mentor (mentoring 27 and 29 yo guys :lol:) made some difference. Apparently not.

Instead we have Super Maldonado Kart https://www.facebook...276466289098616 :lol:.

You have to wonder what they could achieve with top driver, who can set up his car, drive consistently and more importantly not bin it every 2 laps...

Edited by Mastah, 22 March 2012 - 07:47.


#1909 Little Leaf

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 08:50

Looks like the team will be let down by their drivers on many occasions. Pastor made 2 (or 3) mistakes in the race and Bruno destroyed his race by returning on the track pretending like no one was there :rolleyes:. Not really surprising considering lack of their racecraft, but you would have thought driver mentor (mentoring 27 and 29 yo guys :lol:) made some difference. Apparently not.

Instead we have Super Maldonado Kart https://www.facebook...276466289098616 :lol:.

You have to wonder what they could achieve with top driver, who can set up his car, drive consistently and more importantly not bin it every 2 laps...


I wonder what Perez could do in the Williams, seriously, genuine question.

#1910 GlenP

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 09:53

The big 4 are way ahead? Not in the races they aren't. In the race Maldonado was faster than Rosberg and Alonso and was on similar pace to Kimi, though Kimi was able to slowly catch up to him.

Have I missed some races? I thought we'd had one.

No matter how much I want it to be true, Williams won't regularly out-score RBR, Mac, Merc and Ferrari. Nor Lotus, sadly. Possibly the odd result, but not consistently. Still - beating STR, FI and Sauber would be a very good basis to move forward.

Having said the above, I really would love to be wrong!

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 10:53

One big thing I do not understand of Sauber is that Sauber kicked Key out of his garage, just after delivering great looking race car for this season. Wiliams changed the staffs as well, but the course of development was reasonable public and said to be with reasons. This should influence the result, I am afraid. Suaber will lose paces towards the mid to second half of the season, on the contrary Williams will raise thir game, if the guys plays well. So no matter how good Pastor can be, he should keep his pants well tight to beat as many guys as possible and bag as many points as possible when he can. Go for it, we may see some great result.

As of Bruno.... well we see.

I miss Rubens...

#1912 Jambo

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 13:16

Looking forward for to the race this weekend, hopefully there will be no issues and we can get more of an idea of how the car is.

#1913 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 13:20

I'd rate the Williams and Sauber drivers about the same. I don't think there's much to choose between Pastor & Bruno and Kamui & Sergio all together. Sauber traditionally stuggle to maintain development pace, while Williams should be able to develop well this year. So I'd expect Williams to come out ahead of Sauber. If the car is as promising as it looks from Melbourne then I think Williams will be in an good fight with Lotus and Mercedes at times.

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 13:36

Kamui seems like a good solid racer to me, personnaly I am very curious what he can do in a better car. Sauer this year seems to give him a chance or two to shine, so the battle between Sergio might hit fire or two this season, that should be great.
Kimi and Pastor,.. huummm I have got to say Lotus f1 has got great asset, but as of team effort, yes I am looking forward to Williams going head to head with at least one of the Lotus car.

I donno how the car will be run in Malaysia. Almost identivcal to Aussie, or expecting some bits?

Edited by One, 22 March 2012 - 13:37.


#1915 GustavoB

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 14:36

Looks like the team will be let down by their drivers on many occasions. Pastor made 2 (or 3) mistakes in the race and Bruno destroyed his race by returning on the track pretending like no one was there :rolleyes:. Not really surprising considering lack of their racecraft, but you would have thought driver mentor (mentoring 27 and 29 yo guys :lol:) made some difference. Apparently not.

Instead we have Super Maldonado Kart https://www.facebook...276466289098616 :lol:.

You have to wonder what they could achieve with top driver, who can set up his car, drive consistently and more importantly not bin it every 2 laps...


Nothing like some reality distortion over there my friend!! :drunk: Bruno was never outside the track, if there's someone to blame is the Toro Rosso driver.

#1916 Jambo

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:13

Maldonado and Bottas, sorry BOTTAS!, in the car for FP1.

Edited by Jambo, 23 March 2012 - 01:14.


#1917 Lord Snooty

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:44

Maldonado and Bottas, sorry BOTTAS!, in the car for FP1.


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Posted 23 March 2012 - 04:39

Maldonado and Bottas, sorry BOTTAS!, in the car for FP1.

don't read too much into this (well except that Bottas was faster than Pastor). It was announced before the season started that Bottas would drive P1 in most races.

#1919 tractionman

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:23

Both cars(Senna in particular) showing good pace and consistency on the hard compounds.

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#1920 motorhead

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:41

Bottas did a good job, faster than Senna even with Pastor. I hope this kid will find a seat next season

#1921 tractionman

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:49

Bottas did a good job, faster than Senna even with Pastor. I hope this kid will find a seat next season


Yes but is it not possible that he was running a different program to either Maldonado or Senna?...

#1922 Little Leaf

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:55

Yes but is it not possible that he was running a different program to either Maldonado or Senna?...


Exactly.

I wouldn't read too much into times at this point, especially from different practice sessions. However he does seem promising and I think he is being lined up for a seat with Williams next year anyway, hence the number of practice sessions he will have thius year.

So what is the analysis of FP1 and FP2, does the car still look OK? Would seem to be better than last year at least...

#1923 tractionman

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:01

Exactly.

I wouldn't read too much into times at this point, especially from different practice sessions. However he does seem promising and I think he is being lined up for a seat with Williams next year anyway, hence the number of practice sessions he will have thius year.

So what is the analysis of FP1 and FP2, does the car still look OK? Would seem to be better than last year at least...


http://www.fia.com/e...sion2-times.pdf

Long run pace looks very decent :up:

#1924 911

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:46

don't read too much into this (well except that Bottas was faster than Pastor). It was announced before the season started that Bottas would drive P1 in most races.

:up:

#1925 Little Leaf

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 09:56

Comments from team

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/98280

Reliability again good, full programme completed.

Hopefully Bruno can close the gap to Pastor and both be challenging for Q3

#1926 Niceone

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 10:28

http://www.fia.com/e...sion2-times.pdf

Long run pace looks very decent :up:


Everytime he drives Williams it's perfect showcase about what he can do. Also look at his junior career performance:

Formula Renault 2.0(North-Europe)

2007 3.
2008 1.

British Formula Renault 2.0 (Winter)
2007 Won 3 times, once second (he did four races)

Formula Renault 2.0 Eurocup
2008 1.

British Formula 3
2009 Would have won if he wasn't ”visitor driver”
2011 Would have won if he wasn't ”visitor driver”

Formula 3-euro series
2009 3.
2010 3.

GP3
2011 1.
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Only reason why he ain't race driver is because he doesn't have huge amount of money.

#1927 Gintonious

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:21

How low does Bottas sit in the car??? How can he see where he is going!

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:44

The car looked good through FP imo, fairly decent pace even without putting emphasis on quick laps (not using DRS a big portion of practice).

On the only onboard i've seen, Pastor looked very quick through the high speed "esses".

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:53

Everytime he drives Williams it's perfect showcase about what he can do. Also look at his junior career performance:


Only reason why he ain't race driver is because he doesn't have huge amount of money.

:up: I'm there, sign me in for Bottas bandwagon.

#1930 Niceone

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 13:02

How low does Bottas sit in the car??? How can he see where he is going!

Crazy Finns

There was this picture of Kimi Räikkönen driving with his eyes closed..at Singapore I think.

#1931 roadie

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 13:09

Here's the best picture of the car from practice I've found:

http://www.f1fanatic...sepa_2012-2.jpg

I don't want to make any predictions for qualifying, but wish the team and drivers the best. I will be watching live!

#1932 Peter3hg

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 13:14

Absolutely stunning car from the back. I wonder how they are getting the airflow through to cool it? Perhaps bleeding the air out around the bottom of the undercut?

http://farm8.staticf...589a7664a_o.jpg

Edited by Peter3hg, 23 March 2012 - 13:14.


#1933 Sevach

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 14:52

Here's the best picture of the car from practice I've found:

http://www.f1fanatic...sepa_2012-2.jpg


I like this one more :up:

FW34


#1934 GlenP

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 15:03

Lifting a front wheel in that last pic.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 15:48

According to Bottas he had quite similar test program as Maldonado. Heikki Kulta predicts that he might race at the end of this season but getting a race seat for the entire season is entirely different ball game as he doesnt have big money sponsors. Dad of Bottas says that his career has been build by driving(not money) and it seems that this is how they will get a race seat too. Mclaren's doctor Hintsa sees Bottas as future F1 champion. "He is very conscientious, he doesnt do compromises, he does everything as good as he can". Hintsa reminds that only race engineers know how well Bottas did the work he was given, but from outside view it looked perfect, Bottas didnt even go off the track once.

Dickie Stanford from Williams is tensely looking for what Bottas can do on European tracks where he has driven before.

Edited by jokuvaan, 23 March 2012 - 15:52.


#1936 Boing 2

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 16:06

Bottas is getting 10 FP1 sessions isn't he? That's got to hurt Senna, going into half your races with 40% less preparation time that your team mate.

Edited by Boing 2, 23 March 2012 - 16:06.


#1937 race addicted

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 16:09

Fifteen FP1 sessions.

#1938 Boing 2

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 16:14

Jesus....

#1939 Myrvold

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 16:17

And here we go.

It would be a bit better to support the guys racing atm, then hyping up a up and coming driver. He might just be the next Anthony Davidson :)

Also, I feel a bit sorry for Bruno Senna. I hope that he will get a chance to properly be a race driver for a good /ok team, just for one season!

Edited by Myrvold, 23 March 2012 - 16:18.


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#1940 Andy865

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 16:32

And here we go.

It would be a bit better to support the guys racing atm, then hyping up a up and coming driver. He might just be the next Anthony Davidson :)

Also, I feel a bit sorry for Bruno Senna. I hope that he will get a chance to properly be a race driver for a good /ok team, just for one season!


Erm....

#1941 GustavoB

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 19:26

Jesus....

You have the same image avatar as me!!!!
For a second i tought: Who is writing in my account :evil:

:rotfl:

Just to stay on topic....I hope that Bruno can catch up with Maldo in the 3FP and put the car in Q3.

Edited by GustavoB, 23 March 2012 - 19:27.


#1942 Boing 2

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 19:46

What are the chances of two fruit fu*kers around here?

#1943 Myrvold

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 20:21

Erm....


Loosing 15 FP1 can be very costly in the end.

#1944 pingu666

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 20:39

if bottas isnt paying for it, why is he getting 15 sessions?


#1945 race addicted

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 20:42

Obviously because Williams sees him as the next big thing.

#1946 Sevach

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 20:59

Lifting a front wheel in that last pic.


The FW34 is a somewhat stiff car.

Bottas did a solid job today, and looks like a promising prospect, that's all you can take from it, the fact that he did a faster lap than Pastor doesn't translate to he would outqualify him and beat him in the race.

Edited by Sevach, 23 March 2012 - 21:03.


#1947 Clatter

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 21:04

if bottas isnt paying for it, why is he getting 15 sessions?


Senna only has a 1 year contract. Who do you think is in prime position for the seat?


#1948 pingu666

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 21:09

the one with the biggest cheque you would think xD

#1949 Clatter

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 21:16

the one with the biggest cheque you would think xD


Not if the team have future funding already sorted.

#1950 baddog

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 21:36

Williams have always been keen on good young drivers. If they are using one its likely they at least see potential there.