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#2201 Earthling

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:54

What if it was Sir Frank's initiative and idea to give her a few runs? To please Toto and get some PR out of it too....

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#2202 PayasYouRace

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:57

Unfortunately these things are inevitable. Sir Frank and Patrick can't go on forwever :| I'm just thankful I got to see the team in it's prime, including their best ever season (results wise). They may reach those heights again, but it won't be the same team.

Still, I'm pleased for Susie. Let's face it, very few drivers get a look in at F1 without connections. If they had put her in a race seat, I'd be disappointed, but she's just the 4th driver, so I'm pleased for her. Of course I'm a sucker for a cute Scottish lassie anyway. ;)

#2203 Red17

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:06

So I am the only one who saw this one coming?
Yes, it would always look weird but it's hardly surprising. The surprise is how long it took for Toto to get her the seat. Either the Williams management agreed she «has it» now or it's simply a PR move. (I do hope it's the first)

Anyway, I do think that from the lot of women drivers out there she is one of the most capable, again there will be a moment of truth (or not) when she will have to do a lapped time. Tho I dont expect her to set the world on fire.

#2204 Burai

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:16

Sad day for F1. Susie not up to F1 standard at all. She not even score point regularly in DTM.


To be fair to her, she's always been lumbered with the worst cars Mercedes can give her.

Due to the new regs, 2012 will be the first year she has current equipment. If she can't do something this year, she'll never do it.

#2205 Bloggsworth

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:30

To be fair to her, she's always been lumbered with the worst cars Mercedes can give her.

Due to the new regs, 2012 will be the first year she has current equipment. If she can't do something this year, she'll never do it.


DTM is a seriously odd series in which world champions and GP winners can look totally incompetent. I always got the impression that there were about 5 or 6 good cars and they messed around with the others in order that they couldn't win. Both Hakkinen and Coulthard looked like also-rans in DTM, as did the younger Schumacher, and that wasn't because they couldn't drive...

#2206 TheBunk

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:34

DTM is a seriously odd series in which world champions and GP winners can look totally incompetent. I always got the impression that there were about 5 or 6 good cars and they messed around with the others in order that they couldn't win. Both Hakkinen and Coulthard looked like also-rans in DTM, as did the younger Schumacher, and that wasn't because they couldn't drive...



Theyd put Hakkinen in a Mclaren in 2006 I think, and he ended dead last on the sheets. Not sure why these guys are slow in dtm, but they sure arent the drivers they used to be.

Anyway, more pr moves from williams imo.

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#2207 highdownforce

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 14:15

And yes, if Sir Frank says Toto wasn't involved in the decision process, I believe him.

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#2208 ajcrean

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 14:36

And yes, if Sir Frank says Toto wasn't involved in the decision process, I believe him.


Bless.........

"Well chaps, as you're about to discuss whether or not my lovely wife deserves a ride in one of the cars I pay for, I'd best leave the room. Don't want to *cough* unduly influence your decision, do I? No sirrreee, that wouldn't look good. Excuse me; will be back in a while. Oh, Suzie sends her love to you all and baked some fairy cakes for you to enjoy. Man, oh man, how Suzie would LOVE to try an F1 car. And she's pretty too! I mean, you don't want one of those he-she Soviet bloc bodybuilding types, do you. Someone nice, petite, pretty and clever to drive our - sorry - your cars. That's the ticket! And don't forget, you're all invited to ours this weekend: about time I let you all sample the delights of my wine cellar and Michelin-starred chef. Suzie's looking so forward to seeing you all, especially the kids. She so loves your kids; would do ANYTHING for them! Anyway, I mustn't keep you from deciding on one of the most important decisions facing this Board; that would be wrong. I'm off now. Oooppps! Sorry about the thud: I dropped my wallet. Silly me! Gosh, it sure is heavy... Yes, indeedy; can barely get it closed these days. Life is good, business is booming and the money's just flying in. See: it's a lovely soft brown leather one too. Now you see it, NOW YOU DON'T! Ha, ha, just kidding. See you in a few. Remember: vote your conscience! Do what YOU think is best!"

#2209 PayasYouRace

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 14:38

Thanks guys :rolleyes:

Of course he would have tried to influence the decision, but that's not the same as actually having a say is it? Grow up guys.

Edited by PayasYouRace, 11 April 2012 - 14:47.


#2210 ajcrean

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 14:50

Thanks guys :rolleyes:

Of course he would have tried to influence the decision, but that's not the same as actually having a say is it? Grow up guys.



Sorry: couldn't resist... :lol:

#2211 PayasYouRace

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 14:53

Sorry: couldn't resist... :lol:


OK. All is forgiven. :kiss:

#2212 thiscocks

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 15:29

OK. All is forgiven. :kiss:

Is that smiley of Toto (good name) and Susie after the decision?

#2213 Lord Snooty

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 15:38

Speaking personally, I'm very happy to see such, er, talent, in the Williams team...

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Blimey....

#2214 PayasYouRace

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 16:00

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Sorry did you say something? I was distracted by the sexy.

#2215 Red17

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 16:21

[conspiracy]
It's all a trick! Frank has aligned himself with Bernie! There is a an hidden agenda!

First of all Bernie is trying to distrat us from the platypus noses and Bahrain with... with... er... well... ahem!
Also, Frank is trying to overshadow Monisha's promotion to number 2 at Sauber.
So there you have it.
Now if you excuse me, there are 2 huge men in white at my back....
[/conspiracy]


#2216 The Ragged Edge

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 19:04

The hiring of Susie Wolff, is a text book example of NEPOTISM! :down: The Williams PR to justify this appointment, was a prime example of meritocracy taking a back seat in this world. To add insult to injury Williams, included this passage in their press release......"Susie will also attend a number of races with us. I should add that, as Susie is married to Toto Wolff, a director of Williams, her appointment was carefully considered and then approved by the board, with Toto recusing himself from the process." Really? How dumb must Williams think the average F1 fan is? :rolleyes: The appointment is a joke and anybody with an IQ over 50 will know this. Shame on you Williams. :cry:

#2217 IceSkyrim

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 19:42

I think Williams is getting close to top teams in terms of front wing awesomeness competition. :p

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#2218 rayburn

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 20:02

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That is art! It is beautiful, just hope it's as fast as it looks.

#2219 Kubiccia

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 22:19

Williams :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

What a FAIL to hire that girl. This is bringing F1 into disrepute

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#2220 BlackCat

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 22:25

Williams & Wolf(f) did not work very well the first time around.

#2221 Slartibartfast

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 22:39

The hiring of Susie Wolff, is a text book example of NEPOTISM! :down: The Williams PR to justify this appointment, was a prime example of meritocracy taking a back seat in this world. To add insult to injury Williams, included this passage in their press release......"Susie will also attend a number of races with us. I should add that, as Susie is married to Toto Wolff, a director of Williams, her appointment was carefully considered and then approved by the board, with Toto recusing himself from the process." Really? How dumb must Williams think the average F1 fan is? :rolleyes: The appointment is a joke and anybody with an IQ over 50 will know this. Shame on you Williams. :cry:

More accurately, it is a textbook example of the appearance of nepotism.

Sir Frank is still the major shareholder, I think he will have considered all the aspects of hiring Susie and made the decision that is best for the company.

I also wish Susie all the best in her new job.

#2222 ViMaMo

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 03:45

Finally we see some resurgence from Williams and now this. Hope she is dropped due to the mass negative publicity. Otherwise as a local saying : "Sure you can play, but the points don't count ".

#2223 Sevach

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 12:55

Hiring a girl is nothing new for the team, they had Rosberg just a while ago :p

Maybe she can stand infront of Pastor while he gives interviews, that would be a very positive step for the team :love:

#2224 The Ragged Edge

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 13:12

More accurately, it is a textbook example of the appearance of nepotism.

Sir Frank is still the major shareholder, I think he will have considered all the aspects of hiring Susie and made the decision that is best for the company.

I also wish Susie all the best in her new job.


You have a blind spot in believing people are as honest and principled as you. Unfortunately I'm too long in the tooth to believe such things, because I've seen too much. This appointment was based entirely on nepotism, only an optimist would think otherwise. The fact Williams had to include in their statement, "Toto recused himself from the process", would have any sane individual convulsing in uncontrollable laughter. If it looks like a dog, walks like a dog and barks like a dog, it is a dog. The same applies with the circumstances surrounding the Susie Wolfe appointment. It has nepotism written all over it.


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Posted 12 April 2012 - 14:40

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#2226 Slartibartfast

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 14:52

You have a blind spot in believing people are as honest and principled as you. Unfortunately I'm too long in the tooth to believe such things, because I've seen too much.

I'll take that as a compliment. :wave:

This appointment was based entirely on nepotism, only an optimist would think otherwise. The fact Williams had to include in their statement, "Toto recused himself from the process", would have any sane individual convulsing in uncontrollable laughter.

I didn't actually claim that nepotism wasn't involved, as it is perfectly possible that Susie is well-suited to her task and it keeps a major shareholder happy. I don't discount the possibility that her relationship to a major shareholder was the determining factor in getting the job, either.

If it looks like a dog, walks like a dog and barks like a dog, it is a dog. The same applies with the circumstances surrounding the Susie Wolfe appointment. It has nepotism written all over it.

Well she certainly doesn't look like a dog, I've never seen her walk like a dog, and she is a Wolff!




#2227 Red17

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 15:04

At the very least we can convince ourselves that Frank will come up to the boys and say:
- See that scotish girl Bruno? If you dont deliver she takes your place.
- Dont laugh Pastor! You should know El Hugo likes Milka more than you.

(ok, this was trolling, most likely Bruno would laugh at it)

#2228 gio66

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 16:24

does anyone knows who will drive the car #19 in the FP1?

#2229 Lord Snooty

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 16:34

Well, enough of the gorgeous and pouting Susie, more to the point, when are we getting DRS activated front wing aero?

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 21:32

Well, enough of the gorgeous and pouting Susie, more to the point, when are we getting DRS activated front wing aero?


When Susie will be in one of the car :lol:

Guess the tesam wsa quiet so they will show up in Mugello?

#2231 highdownforce

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 21:54

does anyone knows who will drive the car #19 in the FP1?

Bottas.

#2232 MilesDavis

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 22:15

she is not even hot

#2233 scheivlak

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 22:18

she is not even hot

Well, she's hotter than Maldonado IMHO.

#2234 Crusoe

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 22:57

she is not even hot

You must date only super models then

#2235 IceSkyrim

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:27

:p Bottas faster than Macdonaldo again. I guess now its 3x0.

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m37.106 7
13. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m40.298s + 3.192 8
15. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m40.540s + 3.434 12

#2236 Meanbeakin

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:15

she is not even hot


She's pretty hot.

#2237 Myrvold

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:24

:p Bottas faster than Macdonaldo again. I guess now its 3x0.

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m37.106 7
13. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m40.298s + 3.192 8
15. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m40.540s + 3.434 12


3?

#2238 roadie

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:39

Morning times were irrelevant I reckon. The team did the most running of anyone in P2.

Objectives
• Tyre runs and set-up work
• Aero evaluations and longer runs in P2

Mark Gillan, Chief Operations Engineer: This morning's session proved quite difficult, with the track remaining damp for a long time and with the associated running conditions straddling between the optimal window for either the intermediate or dry tyres. Towards the end of the first session we were able to complete a number of laps on dry tyres. With the evolving track conditions in the afternoon we worked on both the mechanical and aero balance to try and optimise the set-up for the race, but with reduced running this morning we still have some work to do tomorrow.

Pastor Maldonado: It was a bit difficult this morning with the track conditions. We need to improve our qualifying set-up and I will work through that with my engineers this evening. We will make some changes overnight but the car is looking stronger for the race.

Bruno Senna: It was a productive P2 for us. I don’t know the circuit particularly well so it is a steep learning curve, but I’m learning all the time and we’ll have some further improvements tomorrow.

Valtteri Bottas: The track conditions were pretty tricky today. I have never driven a Formula One car in wet or damp conditions so it was a new experience for me. I liked it though; it was good fun. Even though we had limited running it was important that we completed a run on dry tyres, which we were able to do towards the end of the session.

Practice Conditions
SESSION 1 SESSION 2
Weather Overcast with a damp track Dry and cool
Air & Track Temperatures 14 - 15C / 13 - 14C 14 - 15C / 15 - 15C
P Maldonado, FW34-02 RS27-5344/2 1:40.540 (15th) 12 laps 1:38.176 (16th) 35 laps
V Bottas / B Senna, FW34-03 RS27-5340/2 1:40.298 (13th) 8 laps 1:38.783 (18th) 37 laps
Quickest Time L Hamilton 1:37.106 M Schumacher 1:35.973


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#2239 Murdoch

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:42

3?


That made me focus on the times! 3 secs slower?!

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:51

Sounds good but the results form today are not too exciting!!!!

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:51

Sounds good but the results form today are not too exciting!!!!

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:16

And the race times will be a lot slower again. Practice times mean less this year than they have ever done as far as I can see.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:47

3?

Sorry, its 2x0.
Bottas didn't run in Melbourne :confused: [I thought I saw him there...]

Sephang FP1
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m38.021s 19
11. Valterri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m39.724s + 1.703 23
12. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m39.783s + 1.762 23

Shangai FP1
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m37.106 7
13. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m40.298s + 3.192 8
15. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m40.540s + 3.434 12


#2244 Sevach

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 04:12

The car is looking good again.
Senna appeared to have some issues and spend a lot of time in the pits.

Let's hope for clean qualy session.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:06

Sorry, its 2x0.
Bottas didn't run in Melbourne :confused: [I thought I saw him there...]

Sephang FP1
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m38.021s 19
11. Valterri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m39.724s + 1.703 23
12. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m39.783s + 1.762 23

Shangai FP1
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m37.106 7
13. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m40.298s + 3.192 8
15. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m40.540s + 3.434 12

He's going to be WDC this year if he keeps up.

#2246 GustavoB

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:28

He's going to be WDC this year if he keeps up.

:rotfl: :rotfl:

#2247 tractionman

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:54

One lap pace is not too good but race should be better...Good to see Senna on the same time as Maldonando.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:21

Hmmm. Only 0.5 down on Webber in Q2 for both drivers. It's just so tight at present!

I hope MAL doesn't receive a penalty. We can only hope for the best tomorrow. T1 & 2 are a nightmare in the midfield at the start.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:31

Hopefully neither driver will get a penalty (both were under investigation I think?)

Senna bang on pastors pace, hopefully race pace is better

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:51

Chinese GP Qualifying

Qualifying Notes
• Pastor will start 13th and Bruno 14th for tomorrow’s Chinese Grand Prix.
• Bruno’s final Q2 time was just 0.006s adrift of Pastor’s quickest.
• Both drivers set their quickest times in Q2 on new sets of soft tyres.

Mark Gillan, Chief Operations Engineer:
Track conditions were good this morning and the car balance was better, with both drivers feeling their cars much improved from Friday's running. We went through the first session of qualifying without too much difficulty but unfortunately both cars didn't manage to get into the final session, with Pastor and Bruno finishing 13th and 14th respectively. Despite the disappointment of not getting the cars in the top 10, we are looking forward to tomorrow's race as we believe that our race pace will be strong.

Pastor Maldonado:
We knew it would be difficult to get into the top 10 today but we were very close. I feel that our car will be stronger in the race so I’m looking forward to tomorrow. We are in a good position to fight for points so it will be important to get a clean start and to have a good pace throughout the race.

Bruno Senna:
It was the best qualifying session of the year so far for me. The grid is so tight that the smallest difference in time can make a big difference in position, so it was tough. Our race simulation yesterday was good so I feel we are looking stronger for tomorrow. Of course I would like to be further up the grid, but I couldn’t be closer to Pastor so it was a good team effort.