Jump to content


Photo

Williams 2012 - FW34 Renault


  • Please log in to reply
3953 replies to this topic

#2651 wewantourdarbyback

wewantourdarbyback
  • Member

  • 6,358 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:11

That just about sums up my feelings on the matter! I couldn't watch the race live yesterday but recorded it and watched last night. I knew the result beforehand and was glad I did as I don't think I could have stood the last stint in front of the sofa!


I was at the WSBK yesterday and managed not to find out the result, spent the last 20 laps with my heart attempting to remove itself from my chest.


Advertisement

#2652 Vickyy

Vickyy
  • Member

  • 191 posts
  • Joined: October 11

Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:29

Being a FI fan, it was initially difficult to see immediate competitor like Williams and Sauber to run away with such large haul of points. But then I had no option but to appreciate the work these teams have done and how a highly criticized driver fended-off arguably two best driver in the history of sport, they certainly have risen from the phoenix. Kudos Williams!
For me, 2012 turning to be a mix bag for me, dead brick pace of FI and underdogs ripping heavyweights apart.


#2653 Little Leaf

Little Leaf
  • Member

  • 1,072 posts
  • Joined: March 09

Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:45

I was at the WSBK yesterday and managed not to find out the result, spent the last 20 laps with my heart attempting to remove itself from my chest.


Whilst I was able to sit back and enjoy first Gary Anderson saying Maldo had pitted too early at his last stop and the tyres would go off, then Coulthard speculating that he would need an extra stop near the end, then them saying Kimi would catch both drivers before the end and win!

#2654 sheogorath

sheogorath
  • Member

  • 300 posts
  • Joined: December 11

Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:48

Congrats to Pastor and Williams for this victory.

To be honest, regardless of how much I've defended Pastor in the past, I didn't expect him to edge Perez on the road to the next new GP winner.

#2655 Baddoer

Baddoer
  • Member

  • 1,499 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 14 May 2012 - 08:47

There is a rumor Renault developed different engine maps to preserve rear tires, so that could explain sudden increase in performance by Williams, since they seemed to be struggling last year with rear tires degradation.

#2656 Sanman59

Sanman59
  • Member

  • 268 posts
  • Joined: November 11

Posted 14 May 2012 - 08:48

Congrats Williams fans ! Well deserved win on pure merit. It's been far too long for you guys and gals !!



Oh yes, oh yes, you beauty Pastor!

Mike Coughlan take a bow....

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

#2657 roadie

roadie
  • Member

  • 1,844 posts
  • Joined: February 03

Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:03

What I am quite confused about is the difference between Pastor and Bruno this weekend in terms of car setup. During Bruno's attempted qualifying lap that I saw on board, the car was bouncing all over the place, and looked hugely difficult to drive. It seemed easier for Pastor. I wonder if they were running big differences in set up based on strategy for the race? Or whether it was lack of car time for Bruno, as Bottas was in for FP1?

Anyway, really hope that all involved in the fire are OK.

#2658 Mr Plug

Mr Plug
  • Member

  • 126 posts
  • Joined: February 08

Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:48

Pastor Maldonado is a joke. He has become the laughing stock of f1, one of the worst drivers we have seen in the last few years. Slow in qualifying, poor race pace, no brains, makes idiotic amateurish mistakes and is a danger to himself and the other drivers. I don't care how much money he brings, he should be replaced by whichever Force India driver loses out -probably Sutil.


Oooops! (1)

Edited by Mr Plug, 14 May 2012 - 09:55.


#2659 GlenP

GlenP
  • Member

  • 3,403 posts
  • Joined: November 01

Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:51

I've stood up for PM in the past - and thought the criticism of him ridiculous and ill-thought-out. Or NOT thought out, actually!

Some people want Williams drivers, especially those that openly bring sponsorship to the team, to be nice meek little chaps that jump out of the way of McLarens.

Advertisement

#2660 Mr Plug

Mr Plug
  • Member

  • 126 posts
  • Joined: February 08

Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:53

Never rated Maldonado, never will. A pretty poor driver backed with questionable money. A sign of how fall Williams has fallen,.



Oooooops! (2)


#2661 GlenP

GlenP
  • Member

  • 3,403 posts
  • Joined: November 01

Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:58

Why is Venezuelan money "questionable" anyway?

#2662 IceSkyrim

IceSkyrim
  • Member

  • 867 posts
  • Joined: December 11

Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:10

Why is Venezuelan money "questionable" anyway?

According to some congressman, the PDVSA sponsorship wasn't approved/audited by the People of Venezuela.

#2663 GlenP

GlenP
  • Member

  • 3,403 posts
  • Joined: November 01

Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:17

According to some congressman, the PDVSA sponsorship wasn't approved/audited by the People of Venezuela.

pftt. A lot of congressmen have a lot of links with big oil business, and they're not too pleased that Chavez renationalized "their" oil. These big elite money people were getting a pretty good screw out of Venezuala, and now they are miffed that Venezuela ha the timerity to assert itself over its own assets.

#2664 Pizdek

Pizdek
  • Member

  • 291 posts
  • Joined: December 09

Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:18

Coungrats to Williams. Coungrats to Pastor. Well done. :up:

#2665 sterling49

sterling49
  • Member

  • 10,833 posts
  • Joined: September 06

Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:15

Well done Williamms Grand Prix Engineering and Pastor, a great win, and super birthday present to Sir frank :up:

Edited by sterling49, 14 May 2012 - 11:16.


#2666 Massa

Massa
  • Member

  • 4,378 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:27

There is a rumor Renault developed different engine maps to preserve rear tires, so that could explain sudden increase in performance by Williams, since they seemed to be struggling last year with rear tires degradation.



It could be true, all Renault Powered car are great at preserving the tyres ( bar Team Lotus ). And all their car have strong race pace.

#2667 Francesc

Francesc
  • Member

  • 2,384 posts
  • Joined: May 08

Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:00

There is a rumor Renault developed different engine maps to preserve rear tires, so that could explain sudden increase in performance by Williams, since they seemed to be struggling last year with rear tires degradation.


Still that doesn't add anything in qualifying. So it's not just the engine, this car is great. And I think they won this race because finally they've found a solution to their slow speed problems.

#2668 Garagiste

Garagiste
  • Member

  • 3,796 posts
  • Joined: January 00

Posted 14 May 2012 - 13:10

I didn't dare to dream of this, what a fantastic result for the team.
Hope nobody has any harm from the fire.

#2669 wewantourdarbyback

wewantourdarbyback
  • Member

  • 6,358 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 14 May 2012 - 17:27

The FW33 thread only ever reached 66 pages... How times change.

#2670 muramasa

muramasa
  • Member

  • 3,247 posts
  • Joined: November 08

Posted 14 May 2012 - 17:42

Still that doesn't add anything in qualifying. So it's not just the engine, this car is great. And I think they won this race because finally they've found a solution to their slow speed problems.

yea, last year's issue has little to do with this year's car, and they've been up there since OZ, or since winter testing for that matter. Plus other 2 teams use same engine. This win is real.
Besides Pastor's drove like champion.


#2671 jrg19

jrg19
  • Member

  • 6,118 posts
  • Joined: December 11

Posted 14 May 2012 - 21:18

Posted Image

Loved this moment on the podium made me laugh blasting him self with champagne.

#2672 Sevach

Sevach
  • Member

  • 966 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 14 May 2012 - 21:36

I still can't believe Williams won a race so soon after last years disaster and all the doom predicted towards the team in the off-season and pre-season.

And on merit, no changeable conditions, no crash between the leaders...

#2673 gio66

gio66
  • Member

  • 1,431 posts
  • Joined: April 07

Posted 14 May 2012 - 21:51

Posted Image

#2674 mdaclarke

mdaclarke
  • Member

  • 110 posts
  • Joined: September 11

Posted 14 May 2012 - 22:14

If they have to change the gearbox/engine on Senna's car after the fire, will they be penalised. Also will the engine change count as one of the 8 engines?

#2675 Cavani

Cavani
  • Member

  • 905 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 14 May 2012 - 22:18

Posted Image



#2676 ryan86

ryan86
  • Member

  • 1,100 posts
  • Joined: July 09

Posted 14 May 2012 - 22:20

If they have to change the gearbox/engine on Senna's car after the fire, will they be penalised. Also will the engine change count as one of the 8 engines?


They can change the gearbox anyway since Senna retired. They can choose any of the 8 engines without penalty. Whether the fire has cause irreperable damage to the engine is not known, but will only become a factor towards the end of the season.

Edited by ryan86, 14 May 2012 - 22:21.


#2677 wewantourdarbyback

wewantourdarbyback
  • Member

  • 6,358 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 14 May 2012 - 22:21

SFW's face in that victory pic is a joy to behold.

#2678 mdaclarke

mdaclarke
  • Member

  • 110 posts
  • Joined: September 11

Posted 14 May 2012 - 22:26

Sorry I mean't to ask that if Senna's engine was a new engine and was destroyed by the fire do you think that the FIA/ other teams will make an execption and allow him a 9th engine due to the circumstances.

#2679 One

One
  • Member

  • 6,527 posts
  • Joined: May 06

Posted 14 May 2012 - 22:32

M
I
K
E

C
O
U
G
H
L
A
N


I guess I am the only one who still says this.

This Car 33 is based on 32. Basically a rectified version of 32, which was concieved under Sam Michael, Patick Head.

I praise cool operation by the whole team.

Advertisement

#2680 ryan86

ryan86
  • Member

  • 1,100 posts
  • Joined: July 09

Posted 14 May 2012 - 22:43

Sorry I mean't to ask that if Senna's engine was a new engine and was destroyed by the fire do you think that the FIA/ other teams will make an execption and allow him a 9th engine due to the circumstances.


I don't know if there's any force majeure in the current regulations, but this did happen in 2006.

http://www.gpupdate....ged-in-transit/

#2681 Melbourne Park

Melbourne Park
  • Member

  • 19,216 posts
  • Joined: October 00

Posted 14 May 2012 - 23:24

I said Williams were crazy to get two pay drivers this season, I'll admit to saying I thought Pastor didn't deserve an F1 drive.

I am now eating a rather large slice of humble pie, I admit to being totally wrong. He drove a stunning race today, didn't put a foot wrong even under pressure. Excellent drive!


:up:

there were many who said that but you are have eaten your pie and its appreciated! :clap:

An awesome weekend for Williams, Maldo, Renault and for F1.

Williams sure have gotten the pure cream from a very shallow cup. Unbelievable and one of the great achievements in sport IMO.

Edited by Melbourne Park, 14 May 2012 - 23:24.


#2682 IceSkyrim

IceSkyrim
  • Member

  • 867 posts
  • Joined: December 11

Posted 14 May 2012 - 23:27

Posted Image

#2683 gio66

gio66
  • Member

  • 1,431 posts
  • Joined: April 07

Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:43

When WilliamsF1 floated in Frankfurt Exch March 11 share price was €25, mkt cap €243m. In Sept it was €12.10, today it's €22.70 & climbing.

#2684 Francesc

Francesc
  • Member

  • 2,384 posts
  • Joined: May 08

Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:58

Here in the press center many predict that the man from Venezuela will crack under pressure.


LOL :rotfl:

#2685 kenny

kenny
  • Member

  • 2,028 posts
  • Joined: February 99

Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:42

http://www.totalrace...tos-na-williams



#2686 Petroltorque

Petroltorque
  • Member

  • 1,887 posts
  • Joined: March 10

Posted 15 May 2012 - 13:10

I've been looking at the servings of Humble pie and I see certain forummers have not been served their slice. No names no packdrill.....Mastah? :rotfl:

#2687 mdaclarke

mdaclarke
  • Member

  • 110 posts
  • Joined: September 11

Posted 15 May 2012 - 13:14

I believe that Bruno Senna will finish the season with Williams as he has a contract with them and Williams don't appear to be the type to break contracts (Alessandro Zanardi 1999 season springs to mind). But unless he has a race win this season it is clear to me that he will not be racing for them in 2013 as Bottas is being groomed for the seat in 2013.

#2688 joora

joora
  • Member

  • 350 posts
  • Joined: November 11

Posted 15 May 2012 - 13:44

I've been looking at the servings of Humble pie and I see certain forummers have not been served their slice. No names no packdrill.....Mastah? :rotfl:


Yeah, where has Mastah gone? He was quite regular when needing to bash Pastor.

On the other nothe, I can imagine how happy randstad and the rest of the sponsors are happy now. I can also imagine some sad faces in quatar :)
I hope that there will be less sponsor space on the car from now on.



#2689 GustavoB

GustavoB
  • Member

  • 252 posts
  • Joined: November 07

Posted 15 May 2012 - 13:49

It's a lobby game. When Bruno had more points that Maldo, PDVSA money was incert and they would put Bottas in Maldo's place. Now that Bruno had a bad weekend and Maldo is in front Williams will sack Bruno. It's strange because it's always the Finnish press that has this info.
:yawnface:

#2690 Wolfie

Wolfie
  • Member

  • 1,330 posts
  • Joined: March 09

Posted 15 May 2012 - 14:00

It's a lobby game. When Bruno had more points that Maldo, PDVSA money was incert and they would put Bottas in Maldo's place. Now that Bruno had a bad weekend and Maldo is in front Williams will sack Bruno. It's strange because it's always the Finnish press that has this info.
:yawnface:


I would prefer the line-up with Maldonado and Senna and took Mildh's article with a pinch of salt. However it disturbed me when reading Kulta say that it will be Maldonado-Bottas next year and I hope that he would for once be wrong :cry:

Why on earth would they even swap Bruno for Bottas :confused:

Only reason - if it happens - could be that Bottas is managered by Häkkinen and Didier, still I doubt that they would have any powerful influence.

#2691 Mr Plug

Mr Plug
  • Member

  • 126 posts
  • Joined: February 08

Posted 15 May 2012 - 15:24

Great car - average drivers. If Williams had signed Raikkonen or kept Barrichello they'd be challenging for podiums IMO.



Oooops! (3)

#2692 Mr Plug

Mr Plug
  • Member

  • 126 posts
  • Joined: February 08

Posted 15 May 2012 - 16:06

I guess I am the only one who still says this.

This Car 33 is based on 32. Basically a rectified version of 32, which was concieved under Sam Michael, Patick Head.


You might be the only one saying it because it isn't really true......the FW34 has fewer than 5% carry over parts from the FW33, and the FW33 was different again to FW32. So, "different engine, different exhaust, different aero........but I think the seat and wheels are the same so yes, FW34 is really similar to the FW33. In much the same way that an Avro Vulcan was the same as the Avro Lancaster except for the engines, the wings, the tail - but the bomb-bay was really similar."


As Petroltorque eloquently wrote three months ago: "Look let me sum it up; The car is very, very good. Coughlan and Gillan are the dog's bollocks".

Let's give credit where credit is due.

#2693 Petroltorque

Petroltorque
  • Member

  • 1,887 posts
  • Joined: March 10

Posted 15 May 2012 - 16:35

As an aside I really don't see Williams changing its driver line up before season's end. Paradoxically if Maldonado is delivering it takes pressure off the team as they always have one driver bringing home points and gives breathing space to the other driver. The only problem is if one driver is consistently faster a team may default setup to the faster driver but I don't see that happening with Gillan as Head of Race operations. He's going to hand the drivers the optimum setup and tell them to race with it.

Edited by Petroltorque, 15 May 2012 - 16:36.


#2694 wewantourdarbyback

wewantourdarbyback
  • Member

  • 6,358 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 15 May 2012 - 17:05

Sorry I mean't to ask that if Senna's engine was a new engine and was destroyed by the fire do you think that the FIA/ other teams will make an execption and allow him a 9th engine due to the circumstances.


Looking at the picture the chassis doesn't appear to have been touched by the fire, just covered in extinguisher foam/powder, so hopefully the car isn't damaged.

#2695 gio66

gio66
  • Member

  • 1,431 posts
  • Joined: April 07

Posted 15 May 2012 - 17:27

Oooops! (3)

Too many Oooops! in this thread :p

#2696 gio66

gio66
  • Member

  • 1,431 posts
  • Joined: April 07

Posted 15 May 2012 - 17:28

I've been looking at the servings of Humble pie and I see certain forummers have not been served their slice. No names no packdrill.....Mastah? :rotfl:

Mastah... must off :rotfl:

#2697 PayasYouRace

PayasYouRace
  • Member

  • 7,468 posts
  • Joined: January 10

Posted 15 May 2012 - 17:49

Yeah, where has Mastah gone?


"We could not find this member in our database, it's possible that the member has been removed."

Make of that what you will.

#2698 kenny

kenny
  • Member

  • 2,028 posts
  • Joined: February 99

Posted 15 May 2012 - 19:38

"We could not find this member in our database, it's possible that the member has been removed."

Make of that what you will.

No worries, he will or is already back with a new username... And we can have another laugh ;-)

#2699 PayasYouRace

PayasYouRace
  • Member

  • 7,468 posts
  • Joined: January 10

Posted 15 May 2012 - 20:14

I had to stick on my video of the 1996 season review this afternoon. It felt like a fitting way to celebrate the weekend's result. :D

Advertisement

#2700 Mithrandir

Mithrandir
  • Member

  • 50 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 15 May 2012 - 20:52

You might be the only one saying it because it isn't really true......the FW34 has fewer than 5% carry over parts from the FW33, and the FW33 was different again to FW32. So, "different engine, different exhaust, different aero........but I think the seat and wheels are the same so yes, FW34 is really similar to the FW33. In much the same way that an Avro Vulcan was the same as the Avro Lancaster except for the engines, the wings, the tail - but the bomb-bay was really similar."


As Petroltorque eloquently wrote three months ago: "Look let me sum it up; The car is very, very good. Coughlan and Gillan are the dog's bollocks".

Let's give credit where credit is due.


No. FW34 is a continuation of FW33. Same philosophy, same key basic design feature: tiny gearbox, compact rear end, better flow to rear wing and diffuser. This hasn't changed. But everything became much easier with the Renault engine. Rear end packaging now actually brings out the qualities of the gearbox, as it was originally meant to be. Banning exhaust blown diffusers also brought huge gains in lap time in relation to the other teams.

The 5% figure is just marketing BS; we hear that every year. Of course, there is massive change in strategic direction this year, which makes Williams a much better team in every department.

Edited by Mithrandir, 15 May 2012 - 20:55.