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#3151 roadie

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 15:48

Judge for yourself guys :stoned:

http://www.skysports...7945665,00.html

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#3152 TFLB

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 15:55

Judge for yourself guys :stoned:

http://www.skysports...7945665,00.html

:lol: :lol: . I don't know how the Williams press person managed to keep a straight face! Still not sure it wasn't just an English fail though.

#3153 roadie

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 16:14

Yeah it could be...

I'm certainly not as good at Spanish as he is at English.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 16:24

Yeah it could be...

I'm certainly not as good at Spanish as he is at English.

His English isn't particularly good actually, considering he's been in an English team for 2 years now. He makes a lot of rookie errors, not just in his driving but in his language too.

#3155 sock22

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 16:27

Judge for yourself guys :stoned:

http://www.skysports...7945665,00.html

To me, it sounds like the pause and second 'even Bruno' is actually him losing his train of thought, rather than emphasising the point.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 16:35

To me, it sounds like the pause and second 'even Bruno' is actually him losing his train of thought, rather than emphasising the point.

To me it seemed like he said it and then thought 'actually, was that what I meant to say?' and then said it again to check. A mistake, and a funny one. It's so funny reading some people's comments on twitter, ie 'that gives me another reason to hate Maldonado, what an idiot'. I mean, calm down everyone, it's not like he just shot your dog or something.

#3157 jj2728

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 17:39

It's good to see both Williams cars in the top 10. Could be a decent race for either driver tomorrow.

#3158 roadie

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 18:31

We will see! There's Webber to come back into contention and the Saubers are always fast in the race. FI are a bit of an unknown too...

Come on lads!

#3159 Lord Snooty

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 19:13

I thought we looked strong today; car looked good and both drivers were pushing really well.. looking forward to tomorrow.

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#3160 tractionman

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 19:30

Senna's Q and A with Motorsport Magazin makes for an interesting read even with the comedy of google translate. It appears that a change to the brake cooling has given him the feeling at the front he has lacked all season.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 21:53

I do think that the team is missing ultimate performance differentiator.

#3162 BetaVersion

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 22:33

Pastor was held up by Lewis and Seb in his fast lap. 4 tenths slower than his Q2 lap.

It's really a pitty because his Q2 was the 4th best time of qualifying.

#3163 TFLB

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 23:36

I do think that the team is missing ultimate performance differentiator.

What's that supposed to mean?

#3164 Elloh

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 23:58

I don't think that it confirms Bottas for next year as Senna and Maldonado both bring a lot more money in than Bottas.


yeah but why would they give him the 3rd driver role, young drivers tests and for this season 15 FP´s (instead of Senna) to a guy that doesnt bring in any money? It would be better to let Senna drive FP´s if they intended not to give Bottas a ride next year. You dont just earn money from a drivers personal sponsors, a car that is higher up (=more tv time, sponsors happier) and gaining more points (=more prize money) is at least as good.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 02:24

won't be able to watch the race tomorrow, but hopefully both drivers can bring the car home in the points!
sauber stuck back in the teens is good for us as well!

#3166 Kyo

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:00

Solid drive by Bruno. :up:

#3167 Tiakumosan

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:03

Great race from Bruno :up:

Did Maldo had problems after the start?

#3168 PayasYouRace

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:05

Nice to see Bruno up in the points. He was best of the rest behind the top 4 teams today, and actually beat Webber. Can't really ask for more from him. Pastor was his usual self today, but at least Bruno was there. I'm hoping that this will give him some confidence over the summer break. From Spa onwards he'll be back on circuits that he's raced on in a good car before, so hopefully he can apply that experience and bring home more points for the team.

Edited by PayasYouRace, 29 July 2012 - 14:26.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:06

First race of the season that Bruno was clearly the faster Williams driver.

MAL...not fast enough, bad strategy once again and of course the customary penalty.

Overall, a good weekend. We reduced the gap from Sauber and Mercedes.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:07

Great race from Bruno, probably his best one in F1. Great timing.

His start was excellent, in turn 1 he was ahead of Alonso but too bad the Ferrari KERS is better and Alonso regained the place and also Webber passed him.

Then he managed very well the tyres and keep his head cool.

Pastor had a poor start and that dictated his race. The drive-trough was the too harsh.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:09

Pastor had a poor start and lost 4 places in the run down to T1. Then earned a drive through for oversteering...

Senna did a great job looking after his tires and not opting for risky strategies like Webber.

#3172 GustavoB

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:21

Great race by Bruno :up: :up:
But I still think that China was his best race. Hope that this new brake duct configuration will help him to be higher in qualifying.
Pastor was simply Pastor, a little bit harsh the drive through but every race he is banging wheels with somebody :|

More than 30 days until spa... :cry:

#3173 4L3X

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:24

Nice to see Bruno up in the points. He was best of the rest behind today, and actually beat Webber. Can't really ask for more from him. Pastor was his usual self today, but at least Bruno was there. I'm hoping that this will give him some confidence over the summer break. From Spa onwards he'll be back on circuits that he's raced on in a good car before, so hopefully he can apply that experience and bring home more points for the team.


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#3174 Slowinfastout

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:26

I agree the drive-through was harsh for Maldonado, but I believe this is the result of being a repeat offender.

The guy has no margin for error now.

#3175 Lord Snooty

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:52

Great drive at last from the Bruno; perhaps the changes to the car will suit his style and we will see more of this. Pastor had a bad start which compromised his race and the burst of red mist overtaking Di Resta didn't help

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 15:38

Senna is now only 5 points behind Maldonado, despite Pastor earning 25 points for his Spanish win... I can see Bruno turning that over pretty soon...

That's pretty embarrassing to be honest... the guy has a win and he is still only 5 points ahead of his teammate, who has been criticised seemingly unfairly...

#3177 tractionman

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 15:54

The result was achieved despite a "compromised" setup...

http://en.espnf1.com...tory/85744.html

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 17:33

I was following the race via live timing and the track temp did drop from a high of 47 or 49 degrees to 41. Still, good effort. Shame Pastor didn't get off the line better. Fighting in the midfield is a pain, as the car is better than that.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 17:52

Can't add much to what's already been said about Senna and Maldonado, but indeed it was very nice and encouraging to see such a strong performance from Senna, and Williams. Was pretty stressful there for a while too, for Senna, with first Button then Webber chasing him.

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#3180 GustavoB

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 18:20

Forgot to mention... kudos for that overtaking over Perez on the outside!! :love:

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 20:46

Forgot to mention... kudos for that overtaking over Perez on the outside!! :love:


When was this? I must have missed it!

#3182 One

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 20:52

What's that supposed to mean?


The Driver...

#3183 GustavoB

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 21:44

When was this? I must have missed it!


After the first pit stop Bruno was with fresh tires and Perez on old ones. On the curve 3, Perez went on the inside line and Bruno overtook him on the outside. Was an ambitious but very clean move and Perez was very fair too. :up:

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Edited by GustavoB, 30 July 2012 - 05:10.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 22:39

Senna is now only 5 points behind Maldonado, despite Pastor earning 25 points for his Spanish win... I can see Bruno turning that over pretty soon...

That's pretty embarrassing to be honest... the guy has a win and he is still only 5 points ahead of his teammate, who has been criticised seemingly unfairly...



You're quite correct.
Thing is how is Bruno going to deflect the $ signs flashing behind Frank's eyelids?

#3185 DanardiF1

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 23:06

You're quite correct.
Thing is how is Bruno going to deflect the $ signs flashing behind Frank's eyelids?


Sir Frank knows the value of the points tables too. If Bruno can keep this scoring up, he may help earn the team just as much money via the WCC as Maldonado brings in...

#3186 Slowinfastout

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 23:21

When I look at the standings I wonder how many points Rosberg would have collected with that car.

I'm sorry but I still believe this car is massively let down by the drivers.

#3187 GustavoB

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:56

Sir Frank knows the value of the points tables too. If Bruno can keep this scoring up, he may help earn the team just as much money via the WCC as Maldonado brings in...


Maldo is secure. Williams can only change him with another venezuelan driver and with an agreement with PDVSA, so he's seat is very secure. I don't think that in the global economy circunstances it's possible to any F1 team to throw away this kind of sponsorship.
Totto wants Bottas on the second seat. Totto is a shareholder, he already put his wife inside the team, I think he will do anything that he can do to put Bottas in too.So, the only way that I can see Bruno staying is if he can do better than Maldo to convince the others shareholders that he is better bet than Bottas. Maybe if williams can loan Bottas to a small team to give him some experience....I don't know. Bruno needs to really shine in the second part of the championship, if he wants to stay at Williams or at least inside F1.

Edited by GustavoB, 30 July 2012 - 01:57.


#3188 BigCHrome

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:13

I hope Williams can finally get that middle eastern bank sponsorship so they're not hamstrung to put pay drivers in both cars.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:44

When I look at the standings I wonder how many points Rosberg would have collected with that car.

I'm sorry but I still believe this car is massively let down by the drivers.

after they way the team struggled for the last two seasons, it's awesome that they have turned things around so much over the course of one year.
if they can build an even more competitive car next season, then they will have a case of being in a position to attract a star driver. but they will still have to pay a star, to do that they are going to have to have a manufacturer to back them or be like red bull.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:48

Maldo is secure. Williams can only change him with another venezuelan driver and with an agreement with PDVSA, so he's seat is very secure. I don't think that in the global economy circunstances it's possible to any F1 team to throw away this kind of sponsorship.


Sure? I seem to remember that they have to consider using a Venezuelan driver, and if they don't, they will get a lot less money. But they still get money from PDVSA.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:57

Why is it Pastor is always the one who cant seem to control his car when being overtaken or while overtaking? This guy is ridiculous.
Hope Williams throw this joker out and his sponsorship.

#3192 Pilla

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:58

And they can sack said venezuelen driver mid season if he doesn't perform but have to look at another eligible driver that PDVSA recommends for the next season.

#3193 zztopless1

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 05:16

Let's not forget that he has a significant disadvantage most weekends in missing out on Q1.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:15

Sir Frank knows the value of the points tables too. If Bruno can keep this scoring up, he may help earn the team just as much money via the WCC as Maldonado brings in...

It's impossible that Bruno will ever score more enough points than Pastor to improve Williams WCC position to that extent they would get $30 millions (let alone all $45 millions that Pastor brings). AFAIR you only get $2-5millions for improving you WCC standings by 1 position (only if you improve from 11th to 10th or from 2nd to 1st differences are clearly bigger, but neither of these is a realistic scenario for Williams in the near future). 1 position, 2 positions at best is the WCC improvement you can expect from one better driver. It's clearly not worth of throwing away $45 millions of sponsorship.

And Bruno is still yet to prove that he can outscore Maldonado.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:20

Whats to say Bottas could do better than either of the current drivers?
They could throw him in next season and he could suck or could be midfield like the current drivers.
I think it would be good for him to do a year at a smaller team.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 13:32

Williams are a smaller team.

#3197 Anderis

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 14:57

Williams is rather big team than small. They hire almost as many people as top teams and they do most of the car by their own as oppsed to Sauber or Force India who buy their gearboxes from bigger teams. They just have lesser budget, but the way they work is closer to big teams than small teams.

Maldonado-Senna-Bottas speculations are becoming tiring for me. Look forward what the team will actually do. :)

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 21:37

If Senna doesn't bring a win (or atleast a podium) to the team by the end of the season there is no way that he will get the seat next year. Fact is that in the end of the year reports won't point out that Williams has finished in front or behind Sauber in the WCC, but they will point out Spain win (paid driver bests all others and brings back glory to Williams after too many years). Only story that will best that is Senna name on the podium again.

While I think that Frank would still keep Senna, Toto is all for Bottas and I'm sure he is doing constant pressure to get him in that car sooner than later.



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Posted 30 July 2012 - 22:33

Frank Williams is the main shareholder and I imagine that when push comes to shove Frank would get his way on the actual race drivers (test drivers may be a different matter).

Edited by mdaclarke, 30 July 2012 - 22:33.


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Posted 31 July 2012 - 07:25

People are saying that Wolff is the manager of Bottas, but Frank Williams is still the main shareholder/boss. If Frank wants to keep Senna he will. Bottas hasn't been announced yet (unlike Webber) and contracts in formula 1 don't appear to be the most watertight. If a team wants a driver and the driver wants the team that driver will get the seat and it doesn't matter what anybody else says.

No driver ever sues to enforce his contact, unless he is at the end of his career, as a driver knows that if he did sue, no other team would ever employ him. That's why the only driver to take legal action was Nick Heidfeld as he knew his career was over. Even he was just paid off. If Williams want Senna they will go for Senna.