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#3651 Massa

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 13:15

About missing FP1 he is right. It's hurt a lot if you have only FP2 and FP3 for the setup. Anyway, even without missing FP1, he is slow and useless for his team.

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#3652 skywing

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 13:20

Williams isn't the only team to run their reserve driver in FP1. Force India does that a lot as well and I haven't heard any complaining from either Hulk or Di Resta.

#3653 Little Leaf

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 13:28

Boy o boy
its raining excuses and desperation from Bruno

Bruno's desperation
Bruno's excuses


Unfortunately for him he just hasn't performed this year. He isn't far behind Maldo in the championship despite Maldo's win, but has been too slow to challenge when the car has been good.

#3654 gio66

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 16:59

Boy o boy
its raining excuses and desperation from Bruno

Wow! We have another couch driver :clap:

#3655 Vickyy

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 17:11

Wow! We have another couch driver :clap:


Yeah, my couch driving skills are pathetic, because somebody stole practice sessions from me, my couch doesn't suit my driving style, sorry next year if couch will give me another chance I will do better.

Btw couldn't help noticing your signature.


#3656 cbbcisace

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 17:20

Wow! We have another couch driver :clap:


Gio anything in the rumours of Senna going back to HRT?

#3657 gio66

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 17:28

Gio anything in the rumours of Senna going back to HRT?

No, he is negotiating the renewal of the contract with Williams.

#3658 cbbcisace

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 17:36

No, he is negotiating the renewal of the contract with Williams.


Does he have a back up plan?

#3659 gio66

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 17:38

Does he have a back up plan?

Sorry, I don't know.

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#3660 darkkis

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 17:59

Hopefully Bottas gets the seat for next year. He really deserves the chance to prove himself. :clap:

#3661 SamH123

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 18:35

Bruno's excuses


Singapore was fairly damning for him then :/ he didn't miss FP1 and if anything had one one of his worst races vs. Maldonado


#3662 TheWilliamzer

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 18:53

What about Raïkkonen? :p

#3663 eronrules

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 19:00

What about Raïkkonen? :p


what about raikkonen??? :confused:

#3664 Lennat

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 20:12

Yeah, my couch driving skills are pathetic, because somebody stole practice sessions from me, my couch doesn't suit my driving style, sorry next year if couch will give me another chance I will do better.

Btw couldn't help noticing your signature.


I don't think you have been given a proper couch yet. You should get a top quality one to prove yourself.

#3665 TheWilliamzer

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 20:19

what about raikkonen??? :confused:


A friend from the Williams Club told me Wollf's last trip to Finland was for "Sponsorship for a top driver"

Unbelievable but I trust the guy :p

#3666 darkkis

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 20:22

A friend from the Williams Club told me Wollf's last trip to Finland was for "Sponsorship for a top driver"

Unbelievable but I trust the guy :p

He was most likely referring to Bottas. He has been looking for sponsors to get the racing seat for 2013.

#3667 eronrules

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 20:22

A friend from the Williams Club told me Wollf's last trip to Finland was for "Sponsorship for a top driver"

Unbelievable but I trust the guy :p


it's for Bottas ... :smoking:

#3668 Little Leaf

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 04:36

it's for Bottas ... :smoking:


Exactly.

This comes back to the problem that Wollf is Bottas' manager but also team principle/boss whatever it's called these days.

#3669 Anderis

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 05:53

Wollf is Bottas' manager but also team principle/boss whatever it's called these days.

Not really. Frank Williams still remains as a team principal. Wolff is an executive director.

#3670 Little Leaf

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 08:50

Not really. Frank Williams still remains as a team principal. Wolff is an executive director.


But still has a big say in which drivers they choose

#3671 Anderis

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 09:23

But not as big as sir Frank, I guess.

Whatever, he isn't a team principal, yet, so I needed to make things clear.

#3672 Little Leaf

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 09:32

But not as big as sir Frank, I guess.

Whatever, he isn't a team principal, yet, so I needed to make things clear.


I'm sure as you say Frank still makes the final decision on what goes on.

But it would be interesting to see how this pans out regarding drivers for next year. Maldo made some positive comments at the recent partners day regarding staying for quite a while, so it will be interesting to see who he will be paired with.

What do they do it they can't get any sponsorship for Bottas? Do they take a gamble and put him in anyway?

#3673 string158

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 10:41

I think they would take the gamble on Bottas even if they couldnt get the same level of sponsorship as from Bruno.
Williams must be getting quite a lot of money from the Maldonado win?
A decent driver who can bering home more points will convert into more prize money for the team next year & will in turn draw more sponsors. If they can afford to put him in the car next year then they should really take the risk.


#3674 george1981

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:42

I'm surprised that Williams or even McLaren for that matter still have the engines to run their old cars. Normally the engines belong to and go back to the manufacturers and don't stay with the teams. Who would be able to look after and maintain an early 90s Renault V10 engine, when Renault withdrew from the sport at the end of 1997 would they have transferred all the old equipment, drawings and intellectual property to Mechachrome? Did Renault get it back when they returned to F1?


#3675 SPBHM

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 13:07

I'm surprised that Williams or even McLaren for that matter still have the engines to run their old cars. Normally the engines belong to and go back to the manufacturers and don't stay with the teams. Who would be able to look after and maintain an early 90s Renault V10 engine, when Renault withdrew from the sport at the end of 1997 would they have transferred all the old equipment, drawings and intellectual property to Mechachrome? Did Renault get it back when they returned to F1?


it's an interesting point, on the video I posted earlier they talk about the engines from the Honda Turbo era, and how by the end of 87 they had to return everything to Honda... but many years later they were able to get 2 original working engines back for their historic cars....

#3676 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 18:22

Oh the 18, created some of my happiest memories did that car.

#3677 Orn

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 10:31

Williams isn't the only team to run their reserve driver in FP1. Force India does that a lot as well and I haven't heard any complaining from either Hulk or Di Resta.


they don't complain because they're not bruno......

#3678 race addicted

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 10:41

I think they would take the gamble on Bottas even if they couldnt get the same level of sponsorship as from Bruno.
Williams must be getting quite a lot of money from the Maldonado win?
A decent driver who can bering home more points will convert into more prize money for the team next year & will in turn draw more sponsors. If they can afford to put him in the car next year then they should really take the risk.


As far as I remember, you don't get prize money from a win (or wins). It's purely based on where you end up in the constructors championship.

#3679 PayasYouRace

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 12:12

The win might not contribute to the FOM money but I'm sure it'll help with attracting sponsorthip.

Anyway, here's Peter Windsor's video from the media day, for those of you who love old Williams

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 10:41

As far as I remember, you don't get prize money from a win (or wins). It's purely based on where you end up in the constructors championship.

I think you do actually, you get money per point. But the position is more important

#3681 race addicted

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 21:05

Maybe it's something like 70% from your place in the constructors, and 30% from points collected? I'm not sure anymore. These details came out with the concorde agreement didn't they, a little back?

#3682 BoschKurve

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 15:15

Saw in the news section, that Maldonado was saying they will be testing a number of new parts in India during practice.

Does anyone think they will make a difference?

I suppose things cannot really get worse than they did in Korea assuming both cars finish the race, but for some reason I'm having trouble envisioning the FW34 doing any real challenging in India.

#3683 H2H

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 16:25

Posted Image

It seems at the first glance that they try to passively blow the starter hole. Just a quick guess, nothing more...

All credit goes to Sutton images, Here we have a gallery.

Edited by H2H, 25 October 2012 - 16:26.


#3684 BoschKurve

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 16:58

Thanks for posting that picture!

It looks like they are trying to copy the RB8 solution.

#3685 H2H

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 17:05

Thanks for posting that picture!

It looks like they are trying to copy the RB8 solution.


To be honest there is so far no evidence for what it is there. It just seems to go into the right direct and to passive blow the starter hole not a lot of airflow is needed. As it is in prime spot, right where a lot of air flows it should be sufficient. It might offer a small benefit which could make still a difference in a tight field. Nothing but a quick guess, mind you. I would love to see some good shots of that FW34 rear.

A second option would a additional cooling for the gearbox area, but without further pics it is impossible to tell. The exact angle and more info about the central diffusor part of the Williams are needed.

Edited by H2H, 25 October 2012 - 17:07.


#3686 Little Leaf

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 15:40

Thought Senna was going to make Q3 today.

Mistakes from both drivers on their last laps so there is a bit more pace in the car.

Let's get both cars in the points tomorrow and close that gap to FI!

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:20

Thought Senna was going to make Q3 today.

Mistakes from both drivers on their last laps so there is a bit more pace in the car.

Let's get both cars in the points tomorrow and close that gap to FI!


It's easier win the lottery than Senna be on the Q3. :mad:

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:29

Thought Senna was going to make Q3 today.

Mistakes from both drivers on their last laps so there is a bit more pace in the car.

Let's get both cars in the points tomorrow and close that gap to FI!


It was nice to see Bruno show some good pace this weekend in the practice sessions, so let's see if he can have a good race tomorrow.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 11:13

A real shame both cars had poor starts and were stuck in traffic for so, so long. SEN demonstrated great pace after finally passing ROS, and MAL put in some good laps after his puncture. More points would have been easily achievable if both cars had qualified better.

#3690 Collective

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 11:15

Solid drive from Senna. Nice move on Maldonado hehe.

#3691 Francesc

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 11:30

Again what a pity Bruno can't qualify better. He had great race pace.

#3692 GustavoB

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 11:43

Good race by Senna but 10th place isn't enough as Hulk was ahead. At least he did some nice moves on Pastor and Rosberg.
Maldonado is Maldonado, even when he is driving solidly something happens.

I think with 3 races to go FI is too far ahead right now.... :|



#3693 Sergino

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 11:57

2nd fastest lap of the race. too bad he lost too much time behind Koba and Rosberg

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 11:59

A quite solid weekend pace considered, from Williams. should've had both cars scoring today if only Maldonado had kept his cool.

#3695 Sergino

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:52

I have a gut feeling that the car was capable for a podium finish though.

#3696 GustavoB

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 13:09

I have a gut feeling that the car was capable for a podium finish though.

I don't think so. They weren't even faster enough to be with Lotus. Nowadays, Mclaren, Ferrari and Red Bull are one or two steps ahead of the rest of the pack. So 7th position is the best you can do on a race without attriction as we had today.

cheers


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Posted 28 October 2012 - 13:41

I don't think so. They weren't even faster enough to be with Lotus. Nowadays, Mclaren, Ferrari and Red Bull are one or two steps ahead of the rest of the pack. So 7th position is the best you can do on a race without attriction as we had today.

cheers


It seemed that they had at least the same pace as Lotus. With a very good qualifying, they could have started in front of the Lotuses and maybe Massa. So I think in ideal circumstances they could have kept Hamilton behind and put serious pressure on Webber. OK, podium maybe too optimistic, but 5-6 was reachable.

#3698 BoschKurve

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 14:44

Again what a pity Bruno can't qualify better. He had great race pace.


I agree.

He kills himself with the inability to get out of Q2.

There's a difference with how he drives in the actual race versus qualifying. I can't figure it out because most of the time I feel the car is more than capable of going into Q3, but he doesn't seem to be able to find the necessary time to do so.

#3699 BoschKurve

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 14:46

It seemed that they had at least the same pace as Lotus. With a very good qualifying, they could have started in front of the Lotuses and maybe Massa. So I think in ideal circumstances they could have kept Hamilton behind and put serious pressure on Webber. OK, podium maybe too optimistic, but 5-6 was reachable.


The car looked much better than it did in Korea. But 5-6 is not reachable with the way things are now on the grid. 7-8 is reachable with a good qualifying session from I think Bruno.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 14:51

I'm curious, not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but I think Maldonado's overall race pace is not as good as was thought earlier in the season. He is a better qualifier than his teammate, but I've not been impressed with how he drives once the actual race is underway. He seems to go backwards once the race starts even if he qualifies in the top 10. Everyone talks about how much better he is than Bruno. In Korea, Bruno almost got past him, then today he finally overtook him with a fantastic overtake. It's just bizarre to me.