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#751 Mastah

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 16:13

Final crash test tomorrow:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/97391

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 19:03

Final crash test tomorrow:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/97391


Good news or not???

#753 Myrvold

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 19:27

Yeah because there are lots of teams queueing to enter F1 :rolleyes: I don't get why some people are so bothered with small teams performance, they are into the 107% right? Let them be and maybe the will grow and remember they entered F1 with the promise of a budget limit, they deserve at least the time to readjust their plans.


I think you didn't get his sarcasm. Afaik, lemec have been supportive of HRT all the time ;)

#754 lemec

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 20:03

oh! no ... he got it :cool:

#755 dau

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 20:11

Good news or not???

That's depending on whether they pass or not.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 20:13

That's depending on whether they pass or not.


What I meant to say it that I hope they pass... it would be great to the HRT-02/F112 with some decent mileage under its belt!

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 21:56

The new logo is a gold circle with Olive leaves/wreath on a white background . I know gold must be from the Spanish flag (Blood & Gold) but are there any potential Sponsors, Spanish companies with these symbols in their branding?

Edited by xxiiooiixx, 07 February 2012 - 21:57.


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Posted 07 February 2012 - 22:03

The new logo is a gold circle with Olive leaves/wreath on a white background . I know gold must be from the Spanish flag (Blood & Gold) but are there any potential Sponsors, Spanish companies with these symbols in their branding?


Not sure, thats what I'm wondering.

#759 xxiiooiixx

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 22:34

Not sure, thats what I'm wondering.


We probably have to wait! used Google translate, Golden wreath is Corona Del Oro and image search comes up with crowns, no company logo's nothing,Except Corona Beer which is already sponsoring Perez/Sauber. I guess its just a new design but it doesn't look as if the Cosmic Motor's guy did it.

Edited by xxiiooiixx, 07 February 2012 - 22:38.


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#760 cbbcisace

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 22:41

We probably have to wait! used Google translate, Golden wreath is Corona Del Oro and image search comes up with crowns, no company logo's nothing,Except Corona Beer which is already sponsoring Perez/Sauber. I guess its just a new design but it doesn't look as if the Cosmic Motor's guy did it.


don't mind as long as some sponsorship on the car.

Ermestel, Varlion and Yamimoto are signed up, so hopefully more to come!

#761 lemec

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 11:28

HRT has confirmed former Virgin :rotfl: Mark Hutchenson as Pedro's race engineer.

Edited by lemec, 08 February 2012 - 13:16.


#762 lemec

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:49

I have been told that today crash tests were ok.

Not sure whether they are finish or there is still something to do tomorrow.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 15:26

I have been told that today crash tests were ok.

Not sure whether they are finish or there is still something to do tomorrow.


I believe it was the final one today.

#764 lemec

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 15:49

me too, that's why I say I'm not sure ...

Pedro is now only half second behind Heikki  ;)

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 16:44

me too, that's why I say I'm not sure ...

Pedro is now only half second behind Heikki ;)


Is the F111 modified with new exhaust layout? I would assume that is one of the useful things you can do with the old car.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 16:49

Their running last years EBD. Apart from tyre info, there's really little insight one can gain from their times.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 18:19

EliGP Pablo Elizalde
HRT has confirmed it will move to Madrid's Caja Magica


http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/97425

Edited by Mastah, 08 February 2012 - 18:32.


#768 xxiiooiixx

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 19:22

Does any one know if the HRT F112 passed the last crash test today?

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 19:31

Does any one know if the HRT F112 passed the last crash test today?


Sources is Spain say yes, according one other tomorrow or they will announce in the morning.

PDLR Report of the day says he can't wait to get to Barcelona.... :wave:

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 19:35

Their running last years EBD. Apart from tyre info, there's really little insight one can gain from their times.


Did HRT run a EBD?

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 20:22

"When we arrive in Barcelona with the new car, everything else will be in place so we can fully concentrate on the car.”

This is Toni Cuquerella's comment today. Could mean that the crash test passed.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 20:46

Is the F111 modified with new exhaust layout? I would assume that is one of the useful things you can do with the old car.


There are just two modif in the car, the tyres and the driver. That's all.

The goal of these two days is making the team working together and give some miles to Pedro.

#773 lemec

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 20:51

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/97425


Really cool. I grew up near that area in Madrid, despite of what I still think that Oracle´s former facilities at Valencia's Copa America harbour are nicer but ... it's fine they're moving to my home town :up:



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Posted 08 February 2012 - 21:12

The hard and quiet work made at HRT during these last months is starting to finally pay off.

New car will be ready for Barcelona, new home with the idea of moving the design deparment in there at the end of the year...i wonder where those insiders are now.

They will be at the end of the grid but the most important thing is that HRT finally has the right people with a clear picture of what they want to achieve and how to do it.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 21:19

The hard and quiet work made at HRT during these last months is starting to finally pay off.

New car will be ready for Barcelona, new home with the idea of moving the design deparment in there at the end of the year...i wonder where those insiders are now.

They will be at the end of the grid but the most important thing is that HRT finally has the right people with a clear picture of what they want to achieve and how to do it.


Yes if this had happened in 2010.. they could have been where Caterham are now with sponsors etc.

I did ask Joe Saward what he thought of the move, its only a good idea if they have loads of cash to throw around was his answer. :rolleyes:

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 21:24

Yes if this had happened in 2010.. they could have been where Caterham are now with sponsors etc.

I did ask Joe Saward what he thought of the move, its only a good idea if they have loads of cash to throw around was his answer. :rolleyes:


Joe's hard to fathom sometimes... you get the idea that he's genuinely interested in what HRT are doing, because no-one else really is, but then he's always so snidey about them...

#777 showtime

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 21:31

HRT is a Spanish team, we all know Saward doesn't like us very much, don't know why...

#778 lemec

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 21:38

...i wonder where those insiders are now.


don't got it. :well:

They will be at the end of the grid but the most important thing is that HRT finally has the right people with a clear picture of what they want to achieve and how to do it.


First of all they have more money. That's help a lot to make it you look more brilliant  ;)

#779 cbbcisace

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 21:51

QUOTE (Showty @ Feb 8 2012, 22:12)
...i wonder where those insiders are now.

don't got it.

These people that think the team won't make the season...




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#780 lemec

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:12

oh!

Those are no insiders just stupid haters.

#781 showtime

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:15

Anyone has seen a decent picture of the new logo? The one in the nose of the car.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:17

Anyone has seen a decent picture of the new logo? The one in the nose of the car.


http://www.thef1time...new_logo_01.jpg

#783 showtime

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:20

http://www.thef1time...new_logo_01.jpg


I meant the other version, the golden circle with the letters inside. Thanks anyway!

#784 lemec

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:20

check there

http://twitter.com/hrtf1team

I think I saw some nice pics

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:22

check there

http://twitter.com/hrtf1team

I think I saw some nice pics


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if only Pedro wasn't there :lol:

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:28

Reminds me of the Sunseeker logo

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:31

if only Pedro wasn't there :lol:


I find myself agreeing with that :kiss:

Another interesting livery this year? Even if they are at the back they can make up with it by providing a bit of colour!

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:32

A couple of Joe Saward posts... (this guy needs to give it a break)

Phil R
Any news on how “new” the 2012 car is Joe? Is it still the Dallara?


Joe Saward on February 8, 2012 at 21:51 | Reply
No. As to where it is, let’s see.


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What ever other people think, I must say that at least they’re following a plan, they said they wanted a spanish team, with spanish headquarters etc.
Well they are following it so the fact to moving to Caja Magica is logical, another step into that direction….in a few months we’ll see if they’re right or wrong


Joe Saward on February 8, 2012 at 22:22 | Reply
if you can explain why it is logical I would be delighted to hear.


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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:44

here on hires (round 5MB) http://i40.servimg.c...64/logo_d10.jpg

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Edited by lemec, 08 February 2012 - 22:50.


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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:52

here on hires (round 5MB) http://i40.servimg.c...64/logo_d10.jpg

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Thanks!

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:54

Joe Saward seems to think the new car has failed one of the tests....

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I believe the team has failed one test, which means that it is going to be very hard to have the car ready in time for the planned test. I don’t know the details yet. It will probably depend on which test.


#792 lemec

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 23:07

That's what he wish more than what he believe.



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Posted 08 February 2012 - 23:10

That's what he wish more than what he believe.


:p

I hope for good news tomorrow!

#794 lemec

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 23:19

you meant, today.

#795 cbbcisace

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 23:22

you meant, today.


Its still Wednesday in the UK :)

#796 Petroltorque

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 06:10

Passing the crash tets is really in the hands of the component suppliers and how soon can they revise the manufacture process if it has failed one of the tests.
On another point I would like to know what happens to the Munich design hub. AfAIK this was set up under Kolles. How many are relocating to Madrid. Ideally HRT are going to need another experienced TD as the present incumbent is a Holzer employee and is just overseeing the completion of the chassis build.

Edited by Petroltorque, 09 February 2012 - 07:54.


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Posted 09 February 2012 - 08:54

@ScarbsF1 Craig Scarborough
Good news bad news for HRT, rumours suggest its has a chassis built, but its failed its first crash tests


Seems to confirm whats been already claimed.

Edited by jamiegc, 09 February 2012 - 08:54.


#798 Mastah

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 09:24

First? Yesterday they were supposed to pass FINAL test :confused:?

#799 lemec

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 09:24

Passing the crash tets is really in the hands of the component suppliers and how soon can they revise the manufacture process if it has failed one of the tests.


Mainly, yes, that's why all people is quite confident but a failed desing can also lead to fail one test

... AfAIK this was set up under Kolles. ...


Not exactly. The Munich hub, as you say, was set up under Willis and mostly under Paul White. People there was hired by Carabante and after them by Saul Ruiz.

Moving from Munich to Madrid is far away to be a drama even less if preserving your german salary which is common practise in industry when hiring engs across european countries.

Edited by lemec, 09 February 2012 - 09:36.


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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:27

More info from Saward:

The HRT team turned up at Jerez this week for the F1 test with an old chassis. That was fine, but it cannot go on forever. The cars are old and there are safety questions about parts that were designed to have certain length of life. It is therefore imperative that the Spanish operation has its new cars ready before the start of the F1 season in Australia on March 18. The team says that it will have the new car running at the first Barcelona test on February 21, but the first monocoque was only delivered on Monday. This had been due to arrive three weeks ago, but there were delays when the team decided to split with Colin Kolles. The cars are being assembled at Holzer Engineering in Augsburg, but before anything else they need to go through the mandatory FIA crash tests. The first of these took place yesterday and I hear that while most of them went well there was a problem with one of the roll hoop tests.

This means that the components must now be redesigned and manufactured in a new specification, and then a new crash test will need to be scheduled. In order to go testing with the new car on February 21, the team must have passed all the crash tests, as there is a new regulation this year to make sure that the machinery used in testing is as safe as the cars that are raced.

There are further tests taking place today, and there is little room for any more problems. This should not be the case as the Austrian composite supplier CarboTech has been building F1 cars for some years and the quality should be good enough. The firm is used by McLaren to make the chassis for its MP4-12C road cars, so it has a very good reputation.

The revamping work will all be done at Holzer and the key to success will be organisation of the different sub-contractors involved. And to some extent that depends of the workloads of the companies involved and their desire to work flat out for their clients. Thus money is also an important element in getting things done on time.

http://joesaward.wor...rts-battles-on/