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#1551 rosscamero

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 17:53

I believe he was ditched last season due to issues with Tata paying on time. If HRT fail to make Malaysia I can see Tata reconsidering their substantial commitment at which time it's 'find a pay driver'.


I can see both Clos and Luizzi being in that car at some point in the season.

Jamie Alg may fancy putting himself in the shop window towards of the end of the season as well. I dont blame him for wanting to avoid the mess at the start of the season but being quick in a rubbish car still gets you noticed. It certainly did Riccardio no harm what so ever.

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#1552 jamiegc

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 18:08

We need a list of pay drivers who would brin as much as what Narain is supposedly bringing (€8m)


If Tata dont pay and thus HRT need a new pay driver, he'll be bringing €0m.

#1553 bobban86

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 18:15

In any case, it will be interesting to see what kind of progress they can make over the coming weekend!



#1554 understeer

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 19:17

I dont think any of the current F1 drivers including Narain are bad. The drivers in F1 are as good as their cars and teams. Look at what Maldanado could do at williams last race. Look at what petrov did to Alonso in the final 2010 race.

If Narain partnered Vettel last year in a redbull, he would have been better than half the field going by the current standards of judging a driver.

Edited by understeer, 21 March 2012 - 19:18.


#1555 Petroltorque

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 06:09

I dont think any of the current F1 drivers including Narain are bad. The drivers in F1 are as good as their cars and teams. Look at what Maldanado could do at williams last race. Look at what petrov did to Alonso in the final 2010 race.

If Narain partnered Vettel last year in a redbull, he would have been better than half the field going by the current standards of judging a driver.

He might be faster as a consequence of having faster machinery. Karthikeyans problem remains his inconsisyency. He might get close to his team mate over one lap qualification but over a race stint he loses over half a second a lap.

#1556 Petroltorque

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 06:14

Who thinks they'll qualify in Sepang? Its a difficult one to judge, if they can get some meaningful running we might get an indication of the car's pace. An added confounder is the tendency of FI and STR to run the options in Q1.

#1557 DanardiF1

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 06:38

Who thinks they'll qualify in Sepang? Its a difficult one to judge, if they can get some meaningful running we might get an indication of the car's pace. An added confounder is the tendency of FI and STR to run the options in Q1.


It is difficult to say. With quite a long lap and a high dependence on downforce, sneaking into the race might be hard for them. Having said that, we were also having this discussion last year, and they managed it easily enough that time...

#1558 Petroltorque

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 08:01

It is difficult to say. With quite a long lap and a high dependence on downforce, sneaking into the race might be hard for them. Having said that, we were also having this discussion last year, and they managed it easily enough that time...


That was because they were able to bolt on the definitve front wing that they could not run in Melbourne. That was worth 7 tenths of a second a lap.

#1559 DanardiF1

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 08:06

That was because they were able to bolt on the definitve front wing that they could not run in Melbourne. That was worth 7 tenths of a second a lap.


Is there any word of new parts for this weekend?

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#1560 dau

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 09:12

Looks like a wet qualifying atm, so they should qualify easily. I'd also expect them to if it's dry and they get a clean lap without technical problems. Sala doesn't seem convinced they can get into the 107% here though.

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 17:10

This lot are my guilty pleasure, I'm going to be following their progress closely this session. They are like the 'cool runnings' of F1.

Edited by Wiggy, 22 March 2012 - 17:10.


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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:37

1.45 was 107% in fp2, both drivers did 1.43s, so i think racing is a certainty?

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:48

1.45 was 107% in fp2, both drivers did 1.43s, so i think racing is a certainty?


Big improvement today :up:

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:58

This lot are my guilty pleasure, I'm going to be following their progress closely this session. They are like the 'cool runnings' of F1.

'Nuff people say, you know they can't believe, HRT, we have an F1 team.
We have the one Narain
And the one Pedro
The fastest of the fastest of F1 Drivers
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#1565 Petroltorque

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 09:21

1.45 was 107% in fp2, both drivers did 1.43s, so i think racing is a certainty?

Nothing is certain in F1. Qualification is dependent on posting a time wthin 107% of Q1 pole. My guess is that Q1 pole will be a 1' 36" dead if dry. That means a high 1' 42" to qualify. Taking out 40 kg from free practice should get them in.
As an aside Glock's Marussia is already knocking on the door of the fastest Caterham. The Cosworth engine is not as shabby as some would lead you to believe.

#1566 cbbcisace

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 22:45

Some calculations for you on the 107% times!...

FP1 Pole Time: 1'38'021s
FP1 107% Time: 1'44'882s
FP1 HRT Quickest Time: 1'45'360s
Difference: +'448s

FP2 Pole Time: 1'38'172s
FP2 107% Time: 1'45.044s
FP2 HRT Quickest Time: 1'43'658s
Difference: -1'386s

Hypothetically for HRT's 1'43'658s in FP3 or Q1 not to be quick enough would take a Pole Time of 1'36'877s

#1567 Iseriouslyhadenough

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 23:16

HRT will definitely be allowed to race on Sunday - their FP times are good enough... even if they should fail in Q1 (what I don't think) to make the 107%, FIA could grant them allowance giving their performance in FP1/2.

Go HRT :D

#1568 cbbcisace

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 23:18

HRT will definitely be allowed to race on Sunday - their FP times are good enough... even if they should fail in Q1 (what I don't think) to make the 107%, FIA could grant them allowance giving their performance in FP1/2.

Go HRT :D



:up: incidentally I think HRT will be quicker than the FP2 time..

#1569 understeer

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 03:11

Did anyone see Alonso blocking faster cars in FP1?

Almost a Sauber and HRT collided on the rear of the Ferrari. He was very slow on the racing line. mobile chicane :lol:

#1570 cbbcisace

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:14

Pedro improves his time to 1'42'464 - 1.5 quicker than yesterday :clap:

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:25

Pedro improves his time to 1'42'464 - 1.5 quicker than yesterday :clap:


Yeah, good job by Pedro & the team. Looks like Marussia could have a fight on their hands afterall.

#1572 cbbcisace

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:29

Yeah, good job by Pedro & the team. Looks like Marussia could have a fight on their hands afterall.


Pedros time today was 0.8 seconds slower than Timo's time than yesterday..

#1573 Petroltorque

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:55

HRT will definitely be allowed to race on Sunday - their FP times are good enough... even if they should fail in Q1 (what I don't think) to make the 107%, FIA could grant them allowance giving their performance in FP1/2.

Go HRT :D

I think people get confused with the interpretation of the 107% rule. It states that you will qualify if you are within 107% of the Q1 pole time. The stewards can grant dispensation to race if you have posted a time within 107% of the Q1 pole at a previous point during the race weekend. Being within 107% of pole time in FP1 or FP2 is not the correct interpretation.
With track evolution a 1' 36" pole time should be possible making the cut off time a 1' 42.7". Under those conditions De la Rosa is comfortably within that Margin. Karthikeyan remains on the bubble.

Edited by Petroltorque, 24 March 2012 - 06:56.


#1574 cbbcisace

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:10

Good News for HRT... The Q1 time was 1'36'219 and the 107% time is 1'42'954.

That means HRT are within 107% of pole where as a lot of people thought they wouldn't make 107%of Q1 !!

#1575 xxiiooiixx

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 13:03

Good News for HRT... The Q1 time was 1'36'219 and the 107% time is 1'42'954.

That means HRT are within 107% of pole where as a lot of people thought they wouldn't make 107%of Q1 !!



now we have a race worth watching! :clap:

Edited by xxiiooiixx, 24 March 2012 - 13:05.


#1576 Wlleiotl

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 14:01

where are all the trolls i wonder, finding someone else to direct their bile at i suppose

looking forward to the race, especially with kovalainen starting last, should be fun

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 15:20

Had they made a single testing day during the pre-season, HRT would've easily qualified in Australia too. Just getting a decent set-up dialled in is giving them seconds in time gained.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 15:31

Had they made a single testing day during the pre-season, HRT would've easily qualified in Australia too. Just getting a decent set-up dialled in is giving them seconds in time gained.


One of the most common sense posts on the forum :up:

#1579 bobban86

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 15:44

:up:

Yeah, good job by Pedro & the team. Looks like Marussia could have a fight on their hands afterall.



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#1580 Baddoer

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 16:04

So HRT is finally coming to good. Let's hope they show some good races in this season.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:32

HRT will be praying this rain stays for the rest of the evening and they dont re-start!!! They will score 0.5 points!

#1582 cbbcisace

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:38

Accordingly Pedro called this early on..

#1583 Iseriouslyhadenough

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:42

HRT will be praying this rain stays for the rest of the evening and they dont re-start!!! They will score 0.5 points!


They're probably not working on the cars but rather spilling more water on the track right now :D

#1584 bobban86

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 09:17

A bit more chaos and maybe one of the three new teams could finally score a point or two!

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 16:00

Narain on the BBC Forum stating that upgrades at the Mugello tests and hopes to gain time until then onto the Marussias.

Also they are using the Mercedes Wind tunnel a lot (Im guessing the 2nd one)

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 23:25

A double finish for HRT, and I think that's the highest that one of the team's cars has ever run in a race.

I think that Karthikeyan was blameless in both the incidents he was involved in, and that his penalty was extremely harsh.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 23:34

I see Narain has received a penalty for taking out two WDCs in one race.

Quite a feat, as well as quite amusing.

I am reminded of the old Peter Sellers, Sophia Loren duet . . . anyone remember that?

'Oh Doctor I'm in trouble
Well Goodness Gracious Me
When I'm in 10th place
My pulses race
Oh Goodness Gracious Me
And I go boom diddy boom diddy boom diddy boom
Back into Jenson
Boom diddy boom diddy boom diddy boom
Back into Seb



#1588 Petroltorque

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:26

Karthikeyan races without an awareness of his immediate competitors. There were complaints against him as well in India last year. Although blameless for the incident with Button. Taking out Vettel's left rear tyre was a misjudgement.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:39

I think that Karthikeyan was blameless in both the incidents he was involved in, and that his penalty was extremely harsh.



Button has already admitted 100 percent blame for his contact - that he (Button) couldnt brake properly and slid into K.
And remember at the time that this was a race for position (9th and 10th?).

Edited by alfa1, 26 March 2012 - 05:41.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:09

That F112 is pretty strong car. Two separate incidents and nothing like a scratch. Especially with Vettel I expected Narain's FW to break, but it surived somehow. Amazing.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:55

Nice to see both cars crossing the finish line! :up:

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 11:09

The rain didn't make them the favor of staying strong so they could get that half point but they had a a finish and time to test the car in this GP.
Does anyone know if they have any development program or the car will stay the same?


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 11:20

The rain didn't make them the favor of staying strong so they could get that half point but they had a a finish and time to test the car in this GP.
Does anyone know if they have any development program or the car will stay the same?


Development program yes, the car will stay the same until Mugello, so the drivers will get as much out of the F112 until then.

At Mugello upgrades will be on the car then for the start of the European Races.

KERS will be on the car at some point, I think at Mugello as well.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 11:50

Karthikeyan qualified at Sepang with a time of 1:43.665
The GP2 pole time was a 1:45.495
Says it all about this team, their car and their drivers. They shouldn't be in a sport which calls itself the pinnacle of motor sports.

The investment company behind HRT, Thesan Capital want to build up an F1 team then sell it on for profit and whilst I'm not averse to companies making money from F1 that kind of business model with such limited investment is never going to build a team which has any kind of success, limited or otherwise. Look how far Marrusia (another team whom IMO shouldn't be on the grid) have advanced on them in a single winter. All we end up with is cars lapping 7 seconds off the pace, barely faster than a support series car, embarrassing themselves and the sport.
Caterham and Force India are prime examples of how to make progress with back marker teams and what you need to invest to do it.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 12:03

I don't want to rain on your parade, but the difference between HRT's quali time and the GP2 pole time is ENORMOUS. In fact the GP2 pole time does not even meet F1 standard.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 13:22

I don't want to rain on your parade, but the difference between HRT's quali time and the GP2 pole time is ENORMOUS. In fact the GP2 pole time does not even meet F1 standard.


The difference is under 2 seconds. I don't want to rain on your parade whilst you're trying to rain on mine but I kind of posted the times up so you could see.
Now the difference between HRT's time and the F1 pole time is over 6.5 seconds. Now that's huge....

The GP2 time doesn't meet F1 standards, that is correct. Do you know why? Because it's a support series designed to be slower. The HRT is supposed to be an F1 team, they are supposed to past times relevant to F1 not just sneak in the door by fractions of the 107% rule.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 13:39

The investment company behind HRT, Thesan Capital want to build up an F1 team then sell it on for profit and whilst I'm not averse to companies making money from F1 that kind of business model with such limited investment is never going to build a team which has any kind of success, limited or otherwise.


You should really address your rant to Ecclestone & Mosley. They are the fathers of the idea of a F1 with a budget cap of 40M. Virgin/Marussia is an example of what can you expect when you develop your car with non-traditional techniques, and HRT shows what happens when you run your organisation exclusively on the money provided by Ecclestone.

Three years ago, these teams were the future of F1. They were made promises that didn't come true. Of course, now they are nowhere in performance terms, but I find it a bit unfair that they are abused, after having been cheated.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 14:11

GP2 has gotten way too fast.

Back in the F3000 days, they used to be around the 115% pace of the lead F1 cars. Now they're knocking on the 107% mark (and sometimes even faster).

That's a problem with GP2, not HRT.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 14:27

Caterham and Force India are prime examples of how to make progress with back marker teams and what you need to invest to do it.


Yes. They way Caterham had to wait till the last race of the year to confirm beating HRT is remarkable progress. They should also be appluaded for really squeezing that midfield just like they have promised to in the past year.

They have been marginally better on track than the other two new teams. The only thing they excel in is spin and PR.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 16:12

The difference is under 2 seconds. I don't want to rain on your parade whilst you're trying to rain on mine but I kind of posted the times up so you could see.
Now the difference between HRT's time and the F1 pole time is over 6.5 seconds. Now that's huge....

The GP2 time doesn't meet F1 standards, that is correct. Do you know why? Because it's a support series designed to be slower. The HRT is supposed to be an F1 team, they are supposed to past times relevant to F1 not just sneak in the door by fractions of the 107% rule.


In Q1 Pedro was 5.4 seconds off the quickest time and was on course to go near enough 1 sec quicker... OK Narain had a poor lap but it's not 6.5 seconds is it?? maybe last year!