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#2001 Petroltorque

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 19:11

Tyre deg will do for them again. Don't take my word for it, check out the live timing during the race.

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#2002 cbbcisace

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 19:34

Tyre deg will do for them again. Don't take my word for it, check out the live timing during the race.


Lets see I don't disagree with you but the improvement have been brought in to improve that.

#2003 midgrid

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 22:36

Is this the first time that a Hispania has out-qualified a Lotus/Caterham on merit?

#2004 understeer

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 00:30

Nice lap from Narain.


Wonder he would have gone faster than Pedro if with the same floor. HRT still shows struggle for money as they have only 2 new floors and that too was introduced in previous race. What about a spare ?


#2005 f1seb

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 00:31

If Minardi were still around they wouldn't be the worst team in F1 then. Oh well.

#2006 Petroltorque

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:01

Minardi were never the worst team in F1. GCM had a history of employing both talented designers and drivers. IIRC Minardi were running titanium gearboxes well before Maranello could get a handle on the technology.

#2007 Jejking

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:14

Minardi were never the worst team in F1. GCM had a history of employing both talented designers and drivers. IIRC Minardi were running titanium gearboxes well before Maranello could get a handle on the technology.

Well your first statement is kinda false, performance wise :p That doesn't take away the fact that Minardi had a very good staff in many years. They definitely weren't the losers of F1, even being creative etc to be ahead of where they should be.

#2008 Prost1997T

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 17:43

Minardi were never the worst team in F1. GCM had a history of employing both talented designers and drivers. IIRC Minardi were running titanium gearboxes well before Maranello could get a handle on the technology.


They weren't always last in the WCC, but that was usually due to other teams being even worse (Forti 1996, Prost 2000 for example).

Back to HRT, seems their race pace is still suspect, despite Petrov getting a drive-through he still finished ahead of PDLR. Not sure what happened to NK's car.

Edited by Prost1997T, 07 October 2012 - 17:46.


#2009 Myrvold

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 17:50

They weren't always last in the WCC, but that was usually due to other teams being even worse (Forti 1996, Prost 2000 for example).

Back to HRT, seems their race pace is still suspect, despite Petrov getting a drive-through he still finished ahead of PDLR. Not sure what happened to NK's car.


Oh, that's just the 10 last years of Minardis history. They were midfielders a long time :)

NK had a damaged floor - or something like that, retired because of safety.

#2010 Petroltorque

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 18:39

They weren't always last in the WCC, but that was usually due to other teams being even worse (Forti 1996, Prost 2000 for example).

Back to HRT, seems their race pace is still suspect, despite Petrov getting a drive-through he still finished ahead of PDLR. Not sure what happened to NK's car.

It's rather difficult to know where HRT are. De La Rosa could be classed as a Suzuka specialist as he cut his teeth in Formula Nippon. Karthikeyan was nowhere. His retirement looked like another you could blame on questionable build quality.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 18:43

Tyre deg will do for them again. Don't take my word for it, check out the live timing during the race.


Wen Petro hada D.T I thought he'd fall behind Pedro but then I looked at his lap times and Pedro was in the 1:44s and the rest were 1:39s/40s
Clearly tyre wear hampering them.

#2012 Wingcommander

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 18:58

They changed their setup trying to get less understeer between friday and saturday. Worked well for one lap, but on track like suzuka it always ment that they were gonna be nowhere in the race. Still, it was a nice lap from pedro in the quali.

#2013 Prost1997T

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 19:39

Oh, that's just the 10 last years of Minardis history. They were midfielders a long time :)


They stopped being midfielders when other teams (Larousse, Pacific, Lotus etc) vanished - F1 used to have 26+ cars and pre-qualifying back then. Still, they survived where others fell and are back to midfield in the Toro Rosso era...

NK had a damaged floor - or something like that, retired because of safety.


Hah, perhaps the team should have scrounged together a replacement for him as well before the race...

It's rather difficult to know where HRT are. De La Rosa could be classed as a Suzuka specialist as he cut his teeth in Formula Nippon.


Long time ago though.

Karthikeyan was nowhere.


No surprises there.

#2014 Myrvold

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 19:46

They stopped being midfielders when other teams (Larousse, Pacific, Lotus etc) vanished - F1 used to have 26+ cars and pre-qualifying back then. Still, they survived where others fell and are back to midfield in the Toro Rosso era...


My point was that they didn't always race at the back. And heck. Red Bull is only fastest, because the others are slower. I didn't quite get your point with Minardi not being at the back when others were slower... :p

#2015 Prost1997T

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 20:02

I didn't quite get your point with Minardi not being at the back when others were slower... :p


Prost were a joke in 2000 though. Their drivers took each other out on two separate occasions, Alain Prost himself with all the mismanagement, not getting sponsors etc etc. Minardi pootled along and picked up the places largely through attrition (although Gene had a few strong drives).

Forti went broke in 96.

So what I'm saying is, it took extreme circumstances for them not to be at the back during that decade or so.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 20:49

NK retired due to something braking on the T Tray and it dragging/bouncing on the floor..

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 22:20

NK retired due to something braking on the T Tray and it dragging/bouncing on the floor..


It was spout on T Pot that broke and dropped down on to T Tray.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 22:37

It was spout on T Pot that broke and dropped down on to T Tray.


on the old floor too!

#2019 understeer

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 17:00

Can they get new floors for Korea ? Why is there a lack of details on the failure ?


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#2020 cbbcisace

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 19:02

Can they get new floors for Korea ? Why is there a lack of details on the failure ?


New floor will be there... there is talk of a new front wing too in the spanish press.

#2021 Petroltorque

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:48

New floor will be there... there is talk of a new front wing too in the spanish press.

I would take what comes out of the Spanish press with a large grain of salt. The "major upgrade" for Singapore was a new floor, that could be classed as an update rather than an upgrade.
As an aside does anyone know whether HRT are running KERS next year? The design concept for next year should be signed off by now, so it should be known if HRT are running it.

Edited by Petroltorque, 09 October 2012 - 05:00.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:27

Karthikeyan onboard Suzuka

He has to lift off 130R



#2023 cbbcisace

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:36

I would take what comes out of the Spanish press with a large grain of salt. The "major upgrade" for Singapore was a new floor, that could be classed as an update rather than an upgrade.
As an aside does anyone know whether HRT are running KERS next year? The design concept for next year should be signed off by now, so it should be known if HRT are running it.


It was a brand new floor, do how can it not be a upgrade?

The F112 COULD have used KERS so the F113 will use it, they can't afford not to.

#2024 Petroltorque

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:56

It was a brand new floor, do how can it not be a upgrade?

The F112 COULD have used KERS so the F113 will use it, they can't afford not to.

I refer to an upgrade as a major design change which results in a performance gain. Unless the new floor is completely different consider it an update. With Regards to KER,; the F112 may have been designed to take KERS, but it's unfeasable to run it if the chassis is already overweight and packaging does not provide enough cooling. I have yet to hear anything official about them running KERS next year.
The irony is that the target for the smaller teams is tenth spot and thats 1.5s off the midfield. The euro 35 million that brings then provides a team with a platform for a midfield assault.

Edited by Petroltorque, 09 October 2012 - 08:10.


#2025 understeer

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 15:52

There are rumors that Narain may go to Indycar next year. HRT cannot afford to lose the "$TABILITY" he brings. I cannot imagine Clos in the car next year . That would only happen if he can bring some sponsorship at Narain's level.

On the other side , Can HRT get the new car ready for the first test - KERS or no KERS ?

#2026 cbbcisace

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 16:52

There are rumors that Narain may go to Indycar next year. HRT cannot afford to lose the "$TABILITY" he brings. I cannot imagine Clos in the car next year . That would only happen if he can bring some sponsorship at Narain's level.

On the other side , Can HRT get the new car ready for the first test - KERS or no KERS ?


Thats where Ma comes in, no?

If what HRT are saying is correct, they have been working on the '13 car since June this year.

Edited by cbbcisace, 09 October 2012 - 19:29.


#2027 Louis Mr. F1

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 18:37

yes i'm also thinking of Ma Qing Hua for 2013 - you can tell that the team is preparing for that.

#2028 understeer

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 17:23

Could be Ma.

Sauber f1 indicate that they need pay drivers, Caterham f1 needs that as well as , Williams has one and will need one too, Force India might need one, Marussia has one and probably if owners change HRT might need 2 pay drivers.

Ma could get a drive in any of these teams. The drivers with most money will go to best of the above teams. My guess is that Narain is safe in HRT if no other team wants him.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 17:37

Could be Ma.

Sauber f1 indicate that they need pay drivers, Caterham f1 needs that as well as , Williams has one and will need one too, Force India might need one, Marussia has one and probably if owners change HRT might need 2 pay drivers.

Ma could get a drive in any of these teams. The drivers with most money will go to best of the above teams. My guess is that Narain is safe in HRT if no other team wants him.


1. The owners (Thesan) wont leave this year.
2. Pedro will extend his contract at the end of the year (just a wild guess....)
3. Narain is not safe AT all... he has just about paid for this year and the TATA Beverages sponsor has just kept him in a drive until India and will probably go to Indycar next year.

Edited by cbbcisace, 11 October 2012 - 17:40.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 17:10

http://twitter.yfrog.com/kf9bhltj

New rear wing that Pedro had on his car in FP2.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 09:14

http://twitter.yfrog.com/kf9bhltj

New rear wing that Pedro had on his car in FP2.


Doesn't seem to have helped much, over a second back from the Marussia cars in qualifying.

Edited by Prost1997T, 13 October 2012 - 09:14.


#2032 cbbcisace

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:53

Doesn't seem to have helped much, over a second back from the Marussia cars in qualifying.


Because it wasn't on the cars after FP2.

Please post something that is worthwhile! Plus Pedro messed all his laps up in Q1.

Edited by cbbcisace, 13 October 2012 - 14:42.


#2033 Prost1997T

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 14:18

Because it wasn't on the cars after FP2... :rotfl:


Why not?

#2034 cbbcisace

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 14:41

Why not?


HRT are testing it out, would expect it to be on the car from India onwards, maybe a 2013 part?

Edited by cbbcisace, 13 October 2012 - 14:43.


#2035 Petroltorque

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 14:49

I think if the part was a benefit they would have run it. I doubt they are running any 2013 parts.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 14:54

I think if the part was a benefit they would have run it. I doubt they are running any 2013 parts.


The team said its worth 0.3s, anyway I expect it to be on the car from India.

Only Pedro has it on the car and had it on for 20mins or so at the end of FP2, so must just be doing aero work on it.

Edited by cbbcisace, 13 October 2012 - 15:09.


#2037 Petroltorque

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 15:40

You fail to see my point; HRT are so far back any time gain is of benefit even if a few tenths. The fact they failed to persevere with the part suggests it was not a benefit ON this circuit.

#2038 William Hunt

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 19:53

yes i'm also thinking of Ma Qing Hua for 2013 - you can tell that the team is preparing for that.


No sane team, including HRT, will put Ma in a race seat, he is simply not good enough for F1, nor for the classes below F1, it would be a disgrace.

Edited by William Hunt, 13 October 2012 - 19:54.


#2039 cbbcisace

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 21:42

No sane team, including HRT, will put Ma in a race seat, he is simply not good enough for F1, nor for the classes below F1, it would be a disgrace.


Think he will go in GP2 next year...

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 16:42

No sane team, including HRT, will put Ma in a race seat, he is simply not good enough for F1, nor for the classes below F1, it would be a disgrace.



Eddie Jordan was saying Bruno Senna yesterday!

:drunk:

#2041 cbbcisace

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 16:50

Eddie Jordan was saying Bruno Senna yesterday!

:drunk:


Well he has been right about a few things!

#2042 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 12:50

Karthikeyan has the speed to do better
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Narain Karthikeyan reckons that he has done enough in Formula 1 to get into a mid-field team but insists that he is currently focussed on his task at HRT for now.

The Indian driver joined the Spanish squad last season and is believed to be in contention to stay there for another year although the 35-year-old prefers to have better opportunities in the sport.

"I would definitely like the possibility since I have clearly proved that I have the speed to deserve a shot higher up the grid,” Karthikeyan was quoted saying by the Press Trust of India when asked whether he had a chance to join Force India.

“But having said that, I think they have their own plans as always so for now I am concentrating on finishing this season on a strong note," he added.

Karthikeyan, who raced in the NASCAR Truck Series in 2010, was reported to be in talks for a test in IndyCar, but he dismissed it stating that he was centred was on HRT for 2013.

“I think it will be decided over the winter once the season is through," he said referring to the team’s line-up for next year.

Silly Narain :lol:

#2043 understeer

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 14:09

Apparently Narain is not moving to Indy. He could still be with HRT in 2013.

Did anyone guess last year this time that he will be in F1 in 2012 ?

#2044 Prost1997T

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 14:16

Apparently Narain is not moving to Indy. He could still be with HRT in 2013.

Did anyone guess last year this time that he will be in F1 in 2012 ?


The people who defend his presence in F1.

#2045 understeer

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 14:59

The people who defend his presence in F1.


Is there anyone ?

#2046 cbbcisace

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 15:29

Apparently Narain is not moving to Indy. He could still be with HRT in 2013.

Did anyone guess last year this time that he will be in F1 in 2012 ?


May he be forced to move to Indy though, HRT definitely have plans for Ma and maybe even Clos so is that the 2nd car lineup?

#2047 Petroltorque

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 16:02

If HRT are seriously considering Ma for the second race seat things must be parlous. He's got no experience of a competitive single seater formulae. Please note; I said competitive.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 16:27

If HRT are seriously considering Ma for the second race seat things must be parlous. He's got no experience of a competitive single seater formulae. Please note; I said competitive.


Sorry I should note that Ma will be in a BOTTAS role next season.

#2049 Prost1997T

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 17:37

Is there anyone ?


I'm not naming names as they aren't from this forum, but statements like:

"Karthikeyan has wins in several single seater formulae"

"He used some of his own money [earned in the above] to get the HRT drive"

"He beat Monteiro six times in 2005"

Etc etc.

Narain must have some fans if he was voted most popular Nascar Trucks driver in 2010. :p

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 20:16

I commend Karthikeyan and de la Rosa driving this HRT despite them not fixing their brakes. Both cars out in Canada, Karthikeyan in Korea qualifying and now today.