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#251 jetalt

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 18:09

Obviously, they have broken any kind of tie with the former owner, but they are confortable con H-R-T. They will hold "HRT".


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#252 highdownforce

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 18:21

Obviously, they have broken any kind of tie with the former owner, but they are confortable con H-R-T. They will hold "HRT".

Maybe only until they found a buyer or a major sponsor.
I can see they changing their name for this:

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Edited by highdownforce, 06 December 2011 - 18:27.


#253 lemec

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 18:28

:cool:

Why not? It would be really good for the Team if Agag take some shares.

Edited by lemec, 06 December 2011 - 18:30.


#254 cbbcisace

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 19:54

As I've understood, they are trying to break the "Hispania Racing" CURRENT SH1T INCARNATION image.


:rotfl: nice one highdownforce.

Yes the team is Spanish, they have a Spanish license, what the article means is the new owners are trying to get Spanish Personnel in the team.

I believe Richard Connell (race engineer) won't be with the team next year as the team is now fully based in Valencia and he lives in England.

Expect the team to have a lot of new personnel next year.

#255 Petroltorque

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:45

:rotfl: nice one highdownforce.

Yes the team is Spanish, they have a Spanish license, what the article means is the new owners are trying to get Spanish Personnel in the team.

I believe Richard Connell (race engineer) won't be with the team next year as the team is now fully based in Valencia and he lives in England.

Expect the team to have a lot of new personnel next year.

That in itself is rife with problems, as it will take time for any new staff to get up to speed.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:53

If nothing else, I am hoping for a sharp red and gold livery this year.

#257 lemec

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 11:29

That in itself is rife with problems, as it will take time for any new staff to get up to speed.



Nothing they don't know.

Saul Ruiz was quite explicit on this issue. They Know that re-locating abroad will means that many britons will leave the Team. They assume. They don't want to built a "German" or "Indonesian" or "Austrian" Team in UK with british personel.

They want an spanish Team in Spain with spanish personel. They know they are taken a harder way but it's a is a conscious decision.

On the other hand, personel moving from a Team to another is not an HRT exclusive.

#258 Petroltorque

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 16:51

Nothing they don't know.

Saul Ruiz was quite explicit on this issue. They Know that re-locating abroad will means that many britons will leave the Team. They assume. They don't want to built a "German" or "Indonesian" or "Austrian" Team in UK with british personel.

They want an spanish Team in Spain with spanish personel. They know they are taken a harder way but it's a is a conscious decision.

On the other hand, personel moving from a Team to another is not an HRT exclusive.

No its not an exclusive, but it means its more difficult for HRT to attract quality engineers as they are not within a technology hub. I may not agree with Kolles on somethings but at least he was moving the team forward. It now looks like the team is being managed by diletantes. Setting up in Spain only works if the team is successful and I seriously think they'll struggle to beat Marussia next year with the level of restrcturing they are undertaking.
To set up a major infrastrcture with around 250 highly skilled engineers is going to take serious money. Money that I do not see forthcoming. I find it hard to believe that Valencia can simply pump tax payers money into this project without it undergoing public scrutiny.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 17:53

... as I said, HRT managment is perfectly aware that this way has its particular problems but, and coming back to the Campos' original business plan ... That's the aim. To set-up such as structure in Spain.

It's true that almost all the F1 are located in a small area in UK but 250 highly skilled engineers are cheaper in Spain than in UK not to say for all the other required facilities.

I don't think it's true that builting the Team's structure in Spain will take much more money that doing it in UK, on the contray it's clearly cheaper. They are going to save loads of money.

What is going to be more dificult for them are issues more related with logistics and personel in the sense that hiring people will be more difficult but only for some particular positions, those more specificly related to single seaters design but not for those that are common to other engineering areas like hidraulics, electronics, software o mechanics ... neither the race Team I think would be really difficult as they spend their time in planes and tracks abroad.


dilettantes? :well:

pumping tax payers money? :stoned:

what on hell are you talking about?

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#260 Petroltorque

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 06:40

I thought what I saying was obvious. No one has said how Thesan Capital will fund the team, is it from outside investors or simply leveraging the team? Apart from Kolles non of this new management have any experience in modern F1.

Edited by Petroltorque, 08 December 2011 - 06:41.


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Posted 08 December 2011 - 19:12

I thought what I saying was obvious. No one has said how Thesan Capital will fund the team, is it from outside investors or simply leveraging the team? Apart from Kolles non of this new management have any experience in modern F1.


Catherham Technology assisting HRT with F112 Monocoque - According to Autosport

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 19:15

Maybe only until they found a buyer or a major sponsor.
I can see they changing their name for this:

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I believe that is a/an Oryx.... Not Onyx...


#263 midgrid

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 19:17

Addax...

#264 cbbcisace

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 19:22

Addax...


As been mentioned Barwa Addax is a potential long term sponsor(s) and team owners linked with Agag.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 19:46

Catherham Technology assisting HRT with F112 Monocoque - According to Autosport

That's very interesting and weird at the same time.
HRT would be a client of Catherham Tech, and obviously then a client/partner of Catherham F1.
Maybe those Ricciardo rumors were somehow linked with that, as if the Australian was spotted at CTI for HRT seat fitting, for instance.

Edited by highdownforce, 08 December 2011 - 19:52.


#266 cbbcisace

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 22:02

That's very interesting and weird at the same time.
HRT would be a client of Catherham Tech, and obviously then a client/partner of Catherham F1.
Maybe those Ricciardo rumors were somehow linked with that, as if the Australian was spotted at CTI for HRT seat fitting, for instance.


Yes the monocoque is very well advanced and the car should be ready by the end of December according to Jacky Eeckelaert.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 23:51

... as I said, HRT managment is perfectly aware that this way has its particular problems but, and coming back to the Campos' original business plan ... That's the aim. To set-up such as structure in Spain.

It's true that almost all the F1 are located in a small area in UK but 250 highly skilled engineers are cheaper in Spain than in UK not to say for all the other required facilities.

I don't think it's true that builting the Team's structure in Spain will take much more money that doing it in UK, on the contray it's clearly cheaper. They are going to save loads of money.

What is going to be more dificult for them are issues more related with logistics and personel in the sense that hiring people will be more difficult but only for some particular positions, those more specificly related to single seaters design but not for those that are common to other engineering areas like hidraulics, electronics, software o mechanics ... neither the race Team I think would be really difficult as they spend their time in planes and tracks abroad.


Maybe you right building a team outside the traditional locations isn't such a bad idea, maybe F1 needs a fresh approach and different ways of doing things, hopefully HRT's way wont be the wrong way! Seems like F1 is all about recycling old ideas and moving the same old people from team to team with in the same circles. I still kind of wish F1 had an american team

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 17:30

So the new HRT will be a Caterham customer car?

#269 DanardiF1

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 18:49

So the new HRT will be a Caterham customer car?


It'll probably be this year's chassis, rehomologated as a HRT.

#270 cbbcisace

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 19:11

So the new HRT will be a Caterham customer car?

I think Caterham Composites may just be helping them with the Monocoque

#271 Myrvold

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 20:58

Ye. I do think it's only help with the building process, not actual design.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 21:33

Ye. I do think it's only help with the building process, not actual design.


Exactly - the F112 has already been designed - Caterham will just help with the building process.

#273 lemec

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 23:05

They are just manufacturing the monocoque.

#274 cbbcisace

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 23:19

They are just manufacturing the monocoque.


Exactly lemec.

BTW Petrov for the 2nd seat?

#275 Myrvold

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 01:11

BTW Petrov for the 2nd seat?


Please no. I would rather like a old man like Barrichello or a rookie. Than a guy that's in the middle of nowhere :)

#276 William Hunt

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 11:17

it would be nice to see Rubens at HRT so he can complete his 20th season in F1 before retiring.
On the other hand: Liuzzi still has a valid contract for next year!

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 12:07

Please no. I would rather like a old man like Barrichello or a rookie. Than a guy that's in the middle of nowhere :)


Two old men makes no sense, reminds me of Sauber 98.

Edited by Starish, 10 December 2011 - 12:38.


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Posted 10 December 2011 - 12:20

Please no. I would rather like a old man like Barrichello or a rookie. Than a guy that's in the middle of nowhere :)


A team with a combined age of 79? Exciting stuff.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 14:05

Two old men makes no sense, reminds me of Sauber 98.


But what about Williams 92? :p

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#280 Myrvold

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 17:29

I know, I know. It's just that I'd love to see Rubens have 20 seasons, and get a proper send-off in his last race, and I like both Rubens and HRT.
If not, I would like to see a rookie, maybe they get a rookie that is fantastic in F1.

But, Petrov, he doesn't give me any feelings of joy...

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:11

More rumours today about HRT having Renault engines next year.

If according to HRT they are using the Williams 2012 gearbox and KERS then it would be logical to use Renault engines.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:29

More rumours today about HRT having Renault engines next year.

If according to HRT they are using the Williams 2012 gearbox and KERS then it would be logical to use Renault engines.


Are Renault allowed to supply another team?

If so I would imagine they would need the 2012 KERS and gearbox from Williams. Haven't they been using year old gearboxes until now?

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:31

Are Renault allowed to supply another team?

If so I would imagine they would need the 2012 KERS and gearbox from Williams. Haven't they been using year old gearboxes until now?


HRT are using the 2012 gearbox and KERS unit from Williams.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:32

Jacques Eeckelaert said that they will be using 2012 Williams gearbox and KERS.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:38

Jacques Eeckelaert said that they will be using 2012 Williams gearbox and KERS.


Exactly that why it would be better for HRT to have a one fit solution like Williams are going to have.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 13:05

More rumours today about HRT having Renault engines next year.



The price appears to be taking Petrov off their hands! :rotfl:

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 13:07

The price appears to be taking Petrov off their hands! :rotfl:


You may be right sanman...

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 13:32

http://hispaniaracin...ews.php?nid=607

this looks like they have been reading this forum. Denied.

Just want to add this news came quicker than scarbs on twitter. BANG i'm on form!

Edited by lambylamby, 12 December 2011 - 13:34.


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Posted 12 December 2011 - 14:21

AFAIK HRT outsuorce the manufacture of the tub to Carbo Tech an Austrian firm. Thats much cheaper than knocking up your own home brew concoction.

Edited by Petroltorque, 12 December 2011 - 14:21.


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Posted 12 December 2011 - 14:29

AFAIK HRT outsuorce the manufacture of the tub to Carbo Tech an Austrian firm. Thats much cheaper than knocking up your own home brew concoction.


I should imagine this will be a arrangement every year until HRT have the facilities to build themselves.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 16:06

@andrewbensonf1

HRT say aiming to have new car ready for first test in Jerez on 7 Feb, but admit it may be not be ready until the 2nd in Barcelona on 21 Feb

#292 lemec

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 16:23

AFAIK HRT outsuorce the manufacture of the tub to Carbo Tech an Austrian firm. Thats much cheaper than knocking up your own home brew concoction.


yup. That was the case for 2011.

Whether HRT will use again their services or not I guess will be a matter of price.

I'm going to, explicitly, ask about this issue, maybe I'll get an explicit answer  ;)

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 16:28

yup. That was the case for 2011.

Whether HRT will use again their services or not I guess will be a matter of price.

I'm going to, explicitly, ask about this issue, maybe I'll get an explicit answer ;)


Way to go lemec, keep asking those questions :clap:

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 12:11

HRT and Colin Kolles are parting ways, effective Dec. 15th
Source: HRT

Edited by Cflores, 14 December 2011 - 12:11.


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Posted 14 December 2011 - 12:16

HRT and Colin Kolles are parting ways, effective Dec. 15th
Source: HRT


Any news on who will replace him?

:cool:

#296 Baddoer

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 12:25

Any news on who will replace him?

:cool:

Flavio?

#297 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 12:26

Flavio?


Doubt that.

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#298 BRG

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 12:26

HRT and Colin Kolles are parting ways, effective Dec. 15th
Source: HRT

Well, even HRT can make a good decision once in a while.

#299 Francesc

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 12:31

Luis Perez Sala?

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#300 jetalt

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 12:47

Luis Perez Sala?


Joan Villadelprat, perhaps?