The Americans didn't lose control in Iraq they actually stopped what (was) at the time a very serious threat from one of the strongest powers in the Middle East that was getting stronger (with Russian help).The threat of an aggressive well armed Iraq has been removed which is what the object of the mission was and that mission wouldn't have been accomplished if the US didn't have air superiority fighters of the type it had v those of the Russian supplied Iraqi air force.What came after was just what happened by listening to the pc do gooders who think that it's the job of those who've stopped an aggressive power to then police it and re build it instead of sending the place back to the stone age and then closing the borders and forgetting about them.
But the terrorist threat from Afghanistan etc would be a lot less of a threat if the western countries stopped immigration by nationals from those States and applied travel and border restrictions against them instead of trying to deal with the problem at the wrong end.
It was America that put Sadham in power in the first place.
Its no good having a selective memory VP.
In the 20s and 30s there was a British military opinion that in simple terms said:-
'Dont mess around in Mesopotania'.
It was based on hundreds if not thousands of years of military experience which even included the Romans.
The area of the middle east where Iraq and Afghanistan are is impossible to consolidate militarily.
Any powerful force can easily conquer the area and gain bragging rights.
It is after the conquest that the real unwinnable war begins.
Using billion dollar modern aircraft from multi billion dollar aircraft carriers achieves exactly the same result as all the previous attempts.
Big holes in the desert sand.
The fact that the terrorists bring the war out of the area to the West is hardly a surprise with such brain dead morons running things here. The only thing that those in charge here think of is how much 'they personaly' can make out of the arms sales and the rebuilding of the civil infra structure these same arms have damaged.
Edited by 24gerrard, 25 November 2011 - 10:58.