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Poll: Were Red Bull using team orders to switch their drivers? (420 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Yes (235 votes [56.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.49%

  2. No (181 votes [43.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.51%

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#1 harrows

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:20

BS or not? Your opinions?

Edited by harrows, 28 November 2011 - 12:23.


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#2 DracoN

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:20

why not.

#3 wingwalker

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:26

I'll see how it ends before voting, but looks like BS now.

#4 purplejohn

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:29

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#5 jamiegc

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:31

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: at this thread.

#6 mlsnoopy

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:33

Who cares.

#7 iotar

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:38

It was a "mass-vehicular-gear-shift-rationalisation-issue" and so was McLaren's.

#8 purplejohn

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:38

i think we will know by Webbers reaction

#9 Wormstrum

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:38

Massa broke it!

#10 fisssssi

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:39

Ah, BS for the fun of it.

Hamilton showed what a real gearbox problem is - a box full of neutrals!

#11 aerodynamic

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:40

I'm wondering what Webber must have been thinking.....



#12 Lights

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:41

Too obvious isn't it.

#13 Absulute

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:41

Yep, xmas present for Mark.

#14 jamiegc

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:41

The fact that he struggled to get out of 2nd into 1st at his second stop, and had to short shift out of 2nd to 3rd exiting the pits is clearly definitve proof that it was all BS :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Some sad and bitter people on here.

Edited by jamiegc, 27 November 2011 - 17:42.


#15 purplejohn

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:41

No mark was thinking about this



#16 Menace

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:41

Who cares, he feels "like Senna in 91" ! :p

#17 TheBunk

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:42

This is such a stupid poll i vote yes.

#18 purplejohn

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:44

Wasn't Vettels gearbox new for this race, guess someones getting the sack

#19 kosmos

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:44

You can tell by Mark reaction in the podium that he doesn't feel completely happy, because Vettel let him win or because the win is only because Vettel had a problem in the car.

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#20 D A

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:45

Brundle said the gearbox had nearly no oil in it.

#21 jamiegc

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:46

You can tell by Mark reaction in the podium that he doesn't feel completely happy, because Vettel let him win or because the win is only because Vettel had a problem in the car.


That is exactly why he isnt happy. He wanted to outperform Vettel, not have a failure gift him a win.

#22 FiveYards

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:47

You can tell by Mark reaction in the podium that he doesn't feel completely happy, because Vettel let him win or because the win is only because Vettel had a problem in the car.



Yeah, he looks really upset...

#23 aray

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:49

perhaps publicity stunt by red bull.....vettel's comment that he is feeling like 'senna in 1991 ' indicates more to that..it was clearly pre-planned dialogue...

#24 purplejohn

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:49

Brundle said the gearbox had nearly no oil in it.


must have went down and checked

#25 MichaelPM

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:49

I voted "No, Vettel was setting fastest laps with a slower car" but with the condition that it really reads "No, Vettel was setting fastest laps outside ideal operating limits of his gearbox."


HHUUUUUGGGHHHHH difference.

#26 paipa

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:50

Either way, too bad we didn't get to see yet another all-time F1 record: losing out 12-0 in victories against a teammate. Barrichello's 9-0 and 13-2 will probably stand for a while.

Edited by paipa, 27 November 2011 - 17:50.


#27 Sakae

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:50

Win, gifted or not, made Alonso to cringe. I am a bit p**** at RBR after all that rhetoric.

Edited by Sakae, 27 November 2011 - 17:50.


#28 Fastcake

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:50

Could we just have a "Was it broken?" "Yes/No" poll?

Completely believe it was broken, why wait until now to help Mark?

#29 King Six

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:50

It's abit silly that he can maintain 2nd easily yet he has to give up 1st to Webber

#30 ForzaGTR

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:51

Just imagine if Lewis had made Vettel's Senna comment. His detractors would be all over him.



#31 muramasa

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:51

Massa broke it!

it's Ham's that he broke, not Webbo's.


#32 jamiegc

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:53

must have went down and checked


Agreed, its impossible that Ted Kravitz couldve gone in his role as pitlane reporter and then told him :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Just imagine if Lewis had made Vettel's Senna comment. His detractors would be all over him.


Only the stupid ones. Vettel was laughing as he said it.

#33 Sakae

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:53

McLaren boys are probably thinking - gosh, that drink company has kick our a*** even with a car that has gearbox problem. Feeling gooood to go into winter cave like that.

#34 purplejohn

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:53

Just imagine if Lewis had made Vettel's Senna comment. His detractors would be all over him.


He'd be stoned and probably have a thread set up about how arrogant he is and how he's such a baby

#35 exogenesis1203

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:53

it's Ham's that he broke, not Webbo's.

huh?
Massa broke Lewis's, Seb's AND Bruno's gearbox, didn't you get the memo?

#36 i.am.cloned

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:55

What's the point in making such a spectacle out of it if there wasn't a real problem?
Too elaborate to be BS.

#37 sosidge

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:56

Too convenient... at first I thought it was for real, but after it worked for another 50 laps without losing any time to the Ferrari or McLaren, I call BS.

Shameful really considering team orders are allowed. At least be honest about it. And a driver that has shown real ability all season has been bumped down to 4th in the championship.

#38 purplejohn

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:56

What's the point in making such a spectacle out of it if there wasn't a real problem?
Too elaborate to be BS.

it is F1 though

#39 Alarcon

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:57

Christmas gift from Vettel and RB.


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#40 jamiegc

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:58

Too convenient... at first I thought it was for real, but after it worked for another 50 laps without losing any time to the Ferrari or McLaren, I call BS.

Shameful really considering team orders are allowed. At least be honest about it. And a driver that has shown real ability all season has been bumped down to 4th in the championship.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Yes, a driver going from being 1.1 seconds per lap faster than his teammate to a few tenths faster than the Ferrari is proof there was nothing wrong with the car. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#41 Anomnader

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:00

I'd go with the fake option

#42 exogenesis1203

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:00

Actually this is a rather tough choice. A lot of conditions need to be met on both scenario
Broken gear box:
So, just so happen, a brand new gear box would have such a "serious" problem. And by some miracle, it's so perfect that it's a problem severe enough that he can't keep the lead but can comfortable keep the rest of the competition behind with a healthy gap.
Conspiracy:
First, one need to assume that RBR is even interested in letting Mark win
then you have to assume RBR would rather go through such a lengthy complicated "team order" while normal proper "let him pass" team order is perfectly legal now.

mhmmm both scenario suck, I guess I will just classify this to "shit happens" like last race

#43 H2H

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:00


Oh gosh and I thought one could not come up with more emberassing posts after reading through the tyre failure thread. :rotfl:

Yes, it was all done to hide a now legal teamorder to make Mark happy. Clever, very clever by RBR. :up:




#44 Menace

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:01

Vettel had almost no oil in his gearbox, but hey clearly the engineers told him to short shift for no reason! :lol:

Better yet, some lunatic already said the dialogue about Senna and the whole incident as pre-planned? Sour grapes much? :rotfl:

#45 Ellios

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:02

as said in the live forum - brilliant performance from Red Bull, what a great act! lets have no encore though...

#46 sosidge

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:03

Could we just have a "Was it broken?" "Yes/No" poll?

Completely believe it was broken, why wait until now to help Mark?


He has hardly had any opportunities to "help" Mark. Until now there had only been two Red Bull 1-2s, and both of them were while Vettel was still chasing the points needed for the championship.

Webber hasn't been in a position to profit from team orders post-WDC until today.

And boy, did he profit. Intriguingly, Button and Alonso couldn't...

#47 H2H

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:05

Vettel had almost no oil in his gearbox, but hey clearly the engineers told him to short shift for no reason! :lol:

Better yet, some lunatic already said the dialogue about Senna and the whole incident as pre-planned? Sour grapes much? :rotfl:


Finally a sensible post. It is clear that Seb read about Senna and came up with his engineers with a brilliant idea to make him look more Senna-like. Sadly instead of getting the gear box stuck in the last part of the race they engineered a problem with shortshifting in the second and third gear from lap 15 onwards. Later they had to extend it to every gear. Clearly a fail by Seb and his part of the garage to do a Senna. :cool:

#48 jamiegc

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:10

And boy, did he profit. Intriguingly, Button and Alonso couldn't...


Yep, it was amazing how Button was over a second a lap faster than Vettel at the end with clear air when Vettel was nearly 2 seconds a lap faster than him before his problems.

What a conspiracy.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:12

Who cares, he feels "like Senna in 91" ! :p

We need a poll for most heroic drive.

[ ] Senna '91. Passing out, cramps, can hardly raise trophy.
[x] SV 2011. Has to press the flappy paddles a bit earlier to let Webbo win.

#50 H2H

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:16

We need a poll for most heroic drive.

[ ] Senna '91. Passing out, cramps, can hardly raise trophy.
[x] SV 2011. Has to press the flappy paddles a bit earlier to let Webbo win.


Please make that poll. We need it. :up: