212 replies to this topic

[harrows]

BS or not? Your opinions?

Edited by harrows, 28 November 2011 - 12:23.

[DracoN]

why not.

[wingwalker]

I'll see how it ends before voting, but looks like BS now.

[purplejohn]

Little Christmas present

[jamiegc]

at this thread.

[mlsnoopy]

Who cares.

[iotar]

It was a "mass-vehicular-gear-shift-rationalisation-issue" and so was McLaren's.

[purplejohn]

i think we will know by Webbers reaction

[Wormstrum]

Massa broke it!

[fisssssi]

Ah, BS for the fun of it.

Hamilton showed what a real gearbox problem is - a box full of neutrals!

[aerodynamic]

I'm wondering what Webber must have been thinking.....

[Lights]

Too obvious isn't it.

[Absulute]

Yep, xmas present for Mark.

[jamiegc]

The fact that he struggled to get out of 2nd into 1st at his second stop, and had to short shift out of 2nd to 3rd exiting the pits is clearly definitve proof that it was all BS

Some sad and bitter people on here.

Edited by jamiegc, 27 November 2011 - 17:42.

[purplejohn]

No mark was thinking about this

[Menace]

Who cares, he feels "like Senna in 91" !

[TheBunk]

This is such a stupid poll i vote yes.

[purplejohn]

Wasn't Vettels gearbox new for this race, guess someones getting the sack

[kosmos]

You can tell by Mark reaction in the podium that he doesn't feel completely happy, because Vettel let him win or because the win is only because Vettel had a problem in the car.

[D A]

Brundle said the gearbox had nearly no oil in it.

[jamiegc]

You can tell by Mark reaction in the podium that he doesn't feel completely happy, because Vettel let him win or because the win is only because Vettel had a problem in the car.

That is exactly why he isnt happy. He wanted to outperform Vettel, not have a failure gift him a win.

[FiveYards]

You can tell by Mark reaction in the podium that he doesn't feel completely happy, because Vettel let him win or because the win is only because Vettel had a problem in the car.

Yeah, he looks really upset...

[aray]

perhaps publicity stunt by red bull.....vettel's comment that he is feeling like 'senna in 1991 ' indicates more to that..it was clearly pre-planned dialogue...

[purplejohn]

Brundle said the gearbox had nearly no oil in it.

must have went down and checked

[MichaelPM]

I voted "No, Vettel was setting fastest laps with a slower car" but with the condition that it really reads "No, Vettel was setting fastest laps outside ideal operating limits of his gearbox."


HHUUUUUGGGHHHHH difference.

[paipa]

Either way, too bad we didn't get to see yet another all-time F1 record: losing out 12-0 in victories against a teammate. Barrichello's 9-0 and 13-2 will probably stand for a while.

Edited by paipa, 27 November 2011 - 17:50.

[Sakae]

Win, gifted or not, made Alonso to cringe. I am a bit p**** at RBR after all that rhetoric.

Edited by Sakae, 27 November 2011 - 17:50.

[Fastcake]

Could we just have a "Was it broken?" "Yes/No" poll?

Completely believe it was broken, why wait until now to help Mark?

[King Six]

It's abit silly that he can maintain 2nd easily yet he has to give up 1st to Webber

[ForzaGTR]

Just imagine if Lewis had made Vettel's Senna comment. His detractors would be all over him.

[muramasa]

Massa broke it!

it's Ham's that he broke, not Webbo's.

[jamiegc]

must have went down and checked

Agreed, its impossible that Ted Kravitz couldve gone in his role as pitlane reporter and then told him

Just imagine if Lewis had made Vettel's Senna comment. His detractors would be all over him.

Only the stupid ones. Vettel was laughing as he said it.

[Sakae]

McLaren boys are probably thinking - gosh, that drink company has kick our a*** even with a car that has gearbox problem. Feeling gooood to go into winter cave like that.

[purplejohn]

Just imagine if Lewis had made Vettel's Senna comment. His detractors would be all over him.

He'd be stoned and probably have a thread set up about how arrogant he is and how he's such a baby

[exogenesis1203]

it's Ham's that he broke, not Webbo's.

huh?
Massa broke Lewis's, Seb's AND Bruno's gearbox, didn't you get the memo?

[i.am.cloned]

What's the point in making such a spectacle out of it if there wasn't a real problem?
Too elaborate to be BS.

[sosidge]

Too convenient... at first I thought it was for real, but after it worked for another 50 laps without losing any time to the Ferrari or McLaren, I call BS.

Shameful really considering team orders are allowed. At least be honest about it. And a driver that has shown real ability all season has been bumped down to 4th in the championship.

[purplejohn]

What's the point in making such a spectacle out of it if there wasn't a real problem?
Too elaborate to be BS.

it is F1 though

[Alarcon]

Christmas gift from Vettel and RB.

[jamiegc]

Too convenient... at first I thought it was for real, but after it worked for another 50 laps without losing any time to the Ferrari or McLaren, I call BS.

Shameful really considering team orders are allowed. At least be honest about it. And a driver that has shown real ability all season has been bumped down to 4th in the championship.

Yes, a driver going from being 1.1 seconds per lap faster than his teammate to a few tenths faster than the Ferrari is proof there was nothing wrong with the car.

[Anomnader]

I'd go with the fake option

[exogenesis1203]

Actually this is a rather tough choice. A lot of conditions need to be met on both scenario
Broken gear box:
So, just so happen, a brand new gear box would have such a "serious" problem. And by some miracle, it's so perfect that it's a problem severe enough that he can't keep the lead but can comfortable keep the rest of the competition behind with a healthy gap.
Conspiracy:
First, one need to assume that RBR is even interested in letting Mark win
then you have to assume RBR would rather go through such a lengthy complicated "team order" while normal proper "let him pass" team order is perfectly legal now.

mhmmm both scenario suck, I guess I will just classify this to "**** happens" like last race

[H2H]

Oh gosh and I thought one could not come up with more emberassing posts after reading through the tyre failure thread.

Yes, it was all done to hide a now legal teamorder to make Mark happy. Clever, very clever by RBR.

[Menace]

Vettel had almost no oil in his gearbox, but hey clearly the engineers told him to short shift for no reason!

Better yet, some lunatic already said the dialogue about Senna and the whole incident as pre-planned? Sour grapes much?

[Ellios]

as said in the live forum - brilliant performance from Red Bull, what a great act! lets have no encore though...

[sosidge]

Could we just have a "Was it broken?" "Yes/No" poll?

Completely believe it was broken, why wait until now to help Mark?

He has hardly had any opportunities to "help" Mark. Until now there had only been two Red Bull 1-2s, and both of them were while Vettel was still chasing the points needed for the championship.

Webber hasn't been in a position to profit from team orders post-WDC until today.

And boy, did he profit. Intriguingly, Button and Alonso couldn't...

[H2H]

Vettel had almost no oil in his gearbox, but hey clearly the engineers told him to short shift for no reason!

Better yet, some lunatic already said the dialogue about Senna and the whole incident as pre-planned? Sour grapes much?

Finally a sensible post. It is clear that Seb read about Senna and came up with his engineers with a brilliant idea to make him look more Senna-like. Sadly instead of getting the gear box stuck in the last part of the race they engineered a problem with shortshifting in the second and third gear from lap 15 onwards. Later they had to extend it to every gear. Clearly a fail by Seb and his part of the garage to do a Senna.

[jamiegc]

And boy, did he profit. Intriguingly, Button and Alonso couldn't...

Yep, it was amazing how Button was over a second a lap faster than Vettel at the end with clear air when Vettel was nearly 2 seconds a lap faster than him before his problems.

What a conspiracy.

[jwrw]

Who cares, he feels "like Senna in 91" !

We need a poll for most heroic drive.

[ ] Senna '91. Passing out, cramps, can hardly raise trophy.
[x] SV 2011. Has to press the flappy paddles a bit earlier to let Webbo win.

[H2H]

We need a poll for most heroic drive.

[ ] Senna '91. Passing out, cramps, can hardly raise trophy.
[x] SV 2011. Has to press the flappy paddles a bit earlier to let Webbo win.

Please make that poll. We need it.