Jump to content


Photo

Rallying 2012


  • Please log in to reply
1342 replies to this topic

Poll: Rallying 2011 (204 member(s) have cast votes)

What did you think of the WRC in 2011?

  1. Poor (Must do better) (102 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. OK (72 votes [35.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.29%

  3. Good (20 votes [9.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.80%

  4. Excellent (10 votes [4.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.90%

Will the WRC in 2012 be:

  1. Better (57 votes [27.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.94%

  2. The same (93 votes [45.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.59%

  3. Worse (54 votes [26.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.47%

Vote Guests cannot vote

#1151 noikeee

noikeee
  • Member

  • 9,417 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:50

The Hyundai looks great. It's telling of their reputation that nobody's commenting on it though! Their previous WRC attempt will have done a lot of harm, hopefully they're serious this time but I'm definitely not expecting that.

And it is in-house:

In an official statement, Hyundai added: "Following its withdrawal from motorsport in 2003, Hyundai's long-term goal was to set up and in-house WRC team in Europe and develop a performance rally car, resulting in the WRC i20's debut in Paris [on Thursday morning]."


Surely there should be some excitement that we will have 5 manufacturers now? (if Mini survives, which given the earlier drop of official support, and pretty poor recent results, is not a given).

Advertisement

#1152 skywing

skywing
  • Member

  • 706 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:33

Okay, Citroen continues to at least 2015. Loeb will not contest every round next year and Hirvonen is the new #1. So a new champion in 2013 unless Petter has a fantastic season.

Edited by skywing, 27 September 2012 - 09:34.


#1153 noikeee

noikeee
  • Member

  • 9,417 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:40

Wait, what? :eek:

That is HUGE news. So Loeb is retiring, or more accurately perhaps, "phasing out"?

I've always liked Loeb a lot, and he's won so much (and so much more than everyone else EVER in rallying) that he's become an all-time legend of motorsport. It's rather sad, a renewal of Loeb vs Ogier, now as bitter rivals in different camps, could have been nice. But this opens up a whole new era of the championship, which may be a hell of a lot more positive and fun. We may actually have a fight.

#1154 KavB

KavB
  • Member

  • 1,055 posts
  • Joined: June 10

Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:43

I wanted him to get to 10 titles!



#1155 skywing

skywing
  • Member

  • 706 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:47

Link: http://www.mtv3.fi/u...enin-ykkoskuski So basically Loeb is "phasing out", only competing in Monte Carlo and a few other tarmac events. Abu Dhabi will become a sponsor of Citroen, so Al-Qassimi makes a return in the third Citroen. No word though about the second driver when Loeb is absent. Edit: Just read that Sordo is rumoured to return.

Edited by skywing, 27 September 2012 - 09:49.


#1156 SPBHM

SPBHM
  • Member

  • 806 posts
  • Joined: August 09

Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:10

finally the competition have a chance I guess...

Hyundai, VW, Citroën, Ford, Mini all of them competing next year!?

#1157 Atreiu

Atreiu
  • Member

  • 9,759 posts
  • Joined: May 07

Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:17

WRC without a full time Loeb will be odd, but it had to happen eventually.
Whatever he does, I hope he keeps on winning.

#1158 ViMaMo

ViMaMo
  • Member

  • 5,018 posts
  • Joined: September 03

Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:39

The man has no competition. So lets see some competition. Hirvonen and Solberg should win the championships in coming years.

#1159 EightGear

EightGear
  • Member

  • 405 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:05

The man has no competition. So lets see some competition. Hirvonen and Solberg should win the championships in coming years.



Maybe, but I think Ogier and Latvala can be added for sure.

Advertisement

#1160 ViMaMo

ViMaMo
  • Member

  • 5,018 posts
  • Joined: September 03

Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:28

Maybe, but I think Ogier and Latvala can be added for sure.


Definitely Ogier but Latvala crashes too much.

#1161 SPBHM

SPBHM
  • Member

  • 806 posts
  • Joined: August 09

Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:36

I would think Ogier is the favorite if VW can deliver,

#1162 ArnageWRC

ArnageWRC
  • Member

  • 1,081 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:46

The end of an era. He’ll still challenge for the Championship.

I can’t understand the thinking behind a possible move to the WTCC – that’s a lame duck series. Loeb has often stated he wants to drive powerful cars – WTCC aren’t what I’d call powerful. Was expecting him to do more WEC, GT, ELMS races.


#1163 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,537 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:19

Hirvonen is not capable of winning the world championship.
Big pressure on Neuville - I hope he can deliver as he was epic at times in an s2000

#1164 skywing

skywing
  • Member

  • 706 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:35

Hirvonen is not capable of winning the world championship.
Big pressure on Neuville - I hope he can deliver as he was epic at times in an s2000

I don't think Neuville has the consistency yet. Gonna be between Hirvonen, Latvala and Ogier.

#1165 The Kanisteri

The Kanisteri
  • Member

  • 10,476 posts
  • Joined: August 99

Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:41

Loeb quitting won't change much in current WRC. There's still one superieor team, one mediocre and few hobby teams.

If Hirvonen won't **** up much, WDC is served him on platinium plate next year. Followed by Ford's amateurs and rest of the field.

Sigh, I miss 80's and 90's when there was competition and good drivers.

#1166 montoyasminion

montoyasminion
  • Member

  • 377 posts
  • Joined: October 10

Posted 27 September 2012 - 13:03

Yea, I think it will be Hirvonen's year next year, while VW gets up to full speed. Mikko would've cruised to the title this year without Seb, and it doesn't look like Neuville is ready to challenge yet. But VW could certainly surprise us all and blow everyone away. Or Ford could surprise, you never know. If it is Solberg/Ostberg next year, I think Mads will get the better of Petter.

And whats up with the R5 category cars? These are higher spec cars than S2000? At the very least, I'm glad to see Peugeot coming out with the 208.

#1167 EightGear

EightGear
  • Member

  • 405 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 27 September 2012 - 13:39

Loeb quitting won't change much in current WRC. There's still one superieor team, one mediocre and few hobby teams.

If Hirvonen won't **** up much, WDC is served him on platinium plate next year. Followed by Ford's amateurs and rest of the field.

Sigh, I miss 80's and 90's when there was competition and good drivers.



You forgot VW?

Loeb will do a maxiumum of just 4 rally's next year. He won't be champion again.

#1168 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,537 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 27 September 2012 - 14:47

And whats up with the R5 category cars? These are higher spec cars than S2000? At the very least, I'm glad to see Peugeot coming out with the 208.

They're essentially a lower spec car than an s2000 but faster.
The 208 is supposed to be 1 second per km faster than the 207 already....


#1169 hotstickyslick

hotstickyslick
  • Member

  • 3,384 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 27 September 2012 - 17:32

Definitely Ogier but Latvala crashes too much.

You're forgetting Ogier binning his way to third place in the championship last year.

Loeb quitting won't change much in current WRC. There's still one superieor team, one mediocre and few hobby teams.

If Hirvonen won't **** up much, WDC is served him on platinium plate next year. Followed by Ford's amateurs and rest of the field.

Sigh, I miss 80's and 90's when there was competition and good drivers.


The same Hirvonen who has beaten nearly everyone except Loeb? And I'm tired of hearing how good the Citroen supposedly is when the Ford looks every bit as fast as it, except that the drivers keep screwing up.

Edited by hotstickyslick, 27 September 2012 - 17:34.


#1170 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 11,418 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 27 September 2012 - 18:41

And I'm tired of hearing how good the Citroen supposedly is when the Ford looks every bit as fast as it, except that the drivers keep screwing up.

Yes! If Hirvonen strolls to the 2013 title, then I will accept that the Citroen is superior, otherwise I reckon Citroen's success has always been due to Loeb.

#1171 artista

artista
  • RC Forum Host

  • 5,172 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 27 September 2012 - 19:36

You forgot VW?

Loeb will do a maxiumum of just 4 rally's next year. He won't be champion again.

28x4=112 points

Hmm, given the right combinations of who wins what, with several retirements per candidate and a few unexpected results like Ostberg, Neuville and Tänak winning events, it's still possible Loeb winning the championship. I'm so used to see him win, that I trust him to do it :p

Edited by artista, 27 September 2012 - 19:37.


#1172 ArnageWRC

ArnageWRC
  • Member

  • 1,081 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 28 September 2012 - 15:32

Forget the Hamilton, Perez news...

RedBull Media House & The Sportsman Media Group will be the new Promoters of the WRC.

Fantastic news, they will promote, energise and bring fresh ideas to the sport.

#1173 skywing

skywing
  • Member

  • 706 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 28 September 2012 - 16:39

Forget the Hamilton, Perez news...

RedBull Media House & The Sportsman Media Group will be the new Promoters of the WRC.

Fantastic news, they will promote, energise and bring fresh ideas to the sport.

Exactly, and with Hyundai also coming things looking good for WRC. Well it was about time though... :clap: Oh and the 2013 calendar has been announced, with Rally GB returning to it's natural spot. http://www.mtv3.fi/u...-elokuun-alussa

Edited by skywing, 28 September 2012 - 16:41.


#1174 Muppetmad

Muppetmad
  • Member

  • 2,401 posts
  • Joined: September 09

Posted 28 September 2012 - 17:26

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/102929

That's a shame, I didn't really follow the IRC but I liked the format. I hope the Eurosport coverage of the ERC will be good though.

#1175 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,537 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 28 September 2012 - 17:38

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/102929

That's a shame, I didn't really follow the IRC but I liked the format. I hope the Eurosport coverage of the ERC will be good though.

They shared a lot of rounds.
I'd say 2013 erc will be very very similar to 2012 irc

#1176 ArnageWRC

ArnageWRC
  • Member

  • 1,081 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 28 September 2012 - 18:22

The problem the IRC has had is the hit and miss TV coverage. The live stuff was great; Monte, Valais, Scotland, Cyprus, etc but the the highlight shows were inconsistent. The years 2009-2011 were it's best years and the writing was on the wall before this season started. However, what the IRC did show was how events could be run without the straitjacket of the WRC. The IRC Montes were fantastic, Sanremo with the mega Friday night stage....

Edited by ArnageWRC, 28 September 2012 - 18:23.


#1177 Dispenser89

Dispenser89
  • Member

  • 3,460 posts
  • Joined: July 09

Posted 28 September 2012 - 18:31

Good to see things look up for the WRC. Next year's calendar looks better with Rally GB at the end again.

Did like the IRC, but the writing's been on the wall for a while. Hope Eurosport do another good job with the ERC.

#1178 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,537 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 28 September 2012 - 18:40

The problem the IRC has had is the hit and miss TV coverage. The live stuff was great; Monte, Valais, Scotland, Cyprus, etc but the the highlight shows were inconsistent. The years 2009-2011 were it's best years and the writing was on the wall before this season started. However, what the IRC did show was how events could be run without the straitjacket of the WRC. The IRC Montes were fantastic, Sanremo with the mega Friday night stage....

This weekends round is a shining example of this
Entry list - Sliven Rally 2012
No. Driver Co-Driver Vehicle Class Priority Competes for
1 Dimitar Iliev Yanaki Yanakiev BGR/BGR Skoda Fabia S2000 2 FIA IRC/ERC/BGRC
2 Yagiz Avci Bahadir Gucenmez TUR/TUR Ford Fiesta S2000 2 ASN IRC/ERC
3 Petar Gyoshev Dimitar Spasov BGR/BGR Peugeot 207 S2000 2 ASN IRC/ERC/BGRC
4 Krum Donchev Petar Yordanov BGR/BGR Peugeot 207 S2000 2 IRC/ERC/BGRC
5 Fatih Kara Guray Karacar TUR/TUR Fiat Grande Punto S2000 2 IRC/ERC
6 Marco TempestiniDorin Pulpea ROU/ROU Subaru Impreza R4 2 IRC/ERC
8 Robert Consani Nikolas Klinger UKR/FRA Renault Megane RS 3 IRC/ERC
10 Georgi Vasilev Stefan Dobrev BGR/BGR Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 3 ERC/BGRC

I think the merger will lead to 1 strong championship.

Scared to say it, but at the minute, things are looking good for rallying in 2013! :up:

Edited by kosmic33, 28 September 2012 - 18:40.


#1179 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 11,418 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 28 September 2012 - 19:26

The IRC has been dead on its feet for a year or so. Far worse than the WRC in fact, so this news is good.

As for teh WRC, good news also, but what about the TV coverage? That is the really important factor - and not PPV coverage either, if they really want to get the championship back on its feet.

Advertisement

#1180 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,537 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 28 September 2012 - 19:42

As for teh WRC, good news also, but what about the TV coverage? That is the really important factor - and not PPV coverage either, if they really want to get the championship back on its feet.

Surely if Channel 4 are willing to show a load of people taking MDMA on live tv they might be willing to take a risk & show the WRC!!!
I think they show that Red Bull Air Race so at least the lines of communication are already open.....

#1181 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 11,418 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 28 September 2012 - 20:25

Surely if Channel 4 are willing to show a load of people taking MDMA on live tv they might be willing to take a risk & show the WRC!!!
I think they show that Red Bull Air Race so at least the lines of communication are already open.....

That would be nice - with no British drivers to fawn over, Channel 4 would do a good job. The last time, the love for McRae and Burns was a bit stomach-churning.

#1182 artista

artista
  • RC Forum Host

  • 5,172 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 28 September 2012 - 20:29

I suppose, in Germany and Austria, they will show the WRC in ServusTV; it belongs to Mateschitz.

#1183 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,537 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:30

I know I'm probably adding 2+2 and getting 9 but Hyundai will obviously be in the market for a test driver at the minute and Toni Gardemeister is selling everything....
http://www.rallycars...x...ls&id=64845

Doubt he could end up with a full-time WRC drive though

#1184 OSX

OSX
  • Member

  • 4,169 posts
  • Joined: April 06

Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:50

If Hirvonen won't **** up much, WDC is served him on platinium plate next year.

Yup. And it will be like when Button won the WDC with Brawn, he'll be spending the rest of his life trying to convince the world and himself that it was him who won it and not the car.

#1185 Disgrace

Disgrace
  • RC Forum Host

  • 9,543 posts
  • Joined: January 10

Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:51

In that case, it's a no-win situation. If he screws up, it's his fault and if he wins, it's the car. He still has to do the job. If he does, he deserves it.

The value of that championship in a field without Loeb always competing is obviously a different matter.

Edited by Disgrace, 29 September 2012 - 13:52.


#1186 Myrvold

Myrvold
  • Member

  • 2,588 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:04

I know I'm probably adding 2+2 and getting 9 but Hyundai will obviously be in the market for a test driver at the minute and Toni Gardemeister is selling everything....
http://www.rallycars...x...ls&id=64845

Doubt he could end up with a full-time WRC drive though


Well. I doubt Hyundai will do as last time. End up with two talented, but a bit over the top drivers. But in Norway, there are talks about Henning Solberg and Hyundai...

#1187 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,537 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:28

But in Norway, there are talks about Henning Solberg and Hyundai...

Uh god.....

Keith Cronin won his 3rd British Championship in 3 attempts (4 years) earlier.
Don't think that'll help him get a Hyundai drive unfortunately.....

#1188 ArnageWRC

ArnageWRC
  • Member

  • 1,081 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:42

Uh god.....

Keith Cronin won his 3rd British Championship in 3 attempts (4 years) earlier.
Don't think that'll help him get a Hyundai drive unfortunately.....



I do wonder what he has to do to get a drive. Well apart from winning the lottery.....

I hope it's not the usual suspect for the Hyundai drive. More Scandawegians with backing......time for the sport to move on. It's a World Championship.....

#1189 EightGear

EightGear
  • Member

  • 405 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:47

Please no Henning. There are a lot of young drivers deserving a chance.

#1190 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,537 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:15

Please no Henning. There are a lot of young drivers deserving a chance.

Esapekka Lappi is looking like being the next big thing.
1st season in a s2000 and he won every round of the Finnish championship. Was also the only s2000 capable of mixing it with Ogier & Mikkelson in Finland
Has a chance in a factory Skoda this weekend in Polands ERC round and you've guessed it, he's leading!
http://results.rally...jd-polski-2012/

#1191 EightGear

EightGear
  • Member

  • 405 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 29 September 2012 - 17:10

Lappi sure looks promising. But let's wait for next year when he will do more international rallies.

Guys like Paddon, PGA, Abbring, maybe Breen, Arzeno, etc. all deserve a chance, not to mention Novikov and Ostberg.

#1192 Yhamm

Yhamm
  • Member

  • 638 posts
  • Joined: September 12

Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:34



Solberg off... could have been quite dangerous with the pole falling and the power cable


#1193 Myrvold

Myrvold
  • Member

  • 2,588 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:09

I hope it's not the usual suspect for the Hyundai drive. More Scandawegians with backing......time for the sport to move on. It's a World Championship....


Well, there wasn't many last time, and isn't many now either. Backing, here in the north? No chance in bathplug mate!!

However, I would like Henning to get that gig. If so, just for the first year. As an experienced dev.driver for Hyundai. Just so he can enjoy rallying for the last time. He hasn't the last few years (with the exception beeing the S2000 runs he had).

#1194 artista

artista
  • RC Forum Host

  • 5,172 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:11



Solberg off... could have been quite dangerous with the pole falling and the power cable

uff! If that really ended up without injuries, all t, he people around there can consider themselves very, very lucky.

#1195 hello86

hello86
  • Member

  • 3,660 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:57



Solberg off... could have been quite dangerous with the pole falling and the power cable


Yeah that was close! He even could have run over some spectators! Glad that nothing worse has happend

#1196 Anonymous

Anonymous
  • Member

  • 2,948 posts
  • Joined: January 09

Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:11

Why not tenth consecutive title next year, Loeb? WHY? :cry:

#1197 jcbc3

jcbc3
  • Member

  • 5,055 posts
  • Joined: November 04

Posted 06 October 2012 - 13:13

Yeah that was close! He even could have run over some spectators! Glad that nothing worse has happend


Hmmmmmmmmmm, I would penalise/severely reprimand him for that driving.
If it is true he couldn't see anything, he had no business charging on in an area where he knew there was spectators. If you go of the road like that you have to 'take your medicine' and get out safely.

#1198 Yhamm

Yhamm
  • Member

  • 638 posts
  • Joined: September 12

Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:03



onboard with Solberg

it really seems he just kep full power while offroad :s

#1199 skywing

skywing
  • Member

  • 706 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:27

Meanwhile in Sweden, Esapekka Lappi surprisingly won Rally Kolsvarunda, beating a number of WRC-cars in the process in his S2000-Fiesta. :)

Edited by skywing, 06 October 2012 - 17:28.


Advertisement

#1200 Myrvold

Myrvold
  • Member

  • 2,588 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:27

If you go out in an area like that, you just have to keep the throttle down to get back on the road.