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#1 Kucki

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 19:19

Now that overtaking has become a mere formality with the drs, I wonder if we could do away with the half-hearted attempts to cut down on aerodynamical grip reliance, and go back to more exciting and better looking cars.

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#2 nimbus111

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 19:21

i would have felt the same when the new cars came out but i gotta say the new cars grew on me. :blush:

#3 phil1993

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 19:36

DRS only accounted for about 30% of passes IIRC, so the new cars work. Going back to pre-2008 models wouldn't help.

#4 Andrew Hope

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 19:36

2008 was the best looking year in the history of the sport. If DRS on a 2008 car can produce the same racing that we have right now, then I don't see why not. Apart from the fact it won't happen.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 19:38

i would have felt the same when the new cars came out but i gotta say the new cars grew on me. :blush:


Nothing beats the cars from the early 90s. But they todays look okay as opposed to hideous in 2009. The 2010 batch looked better than the current one and I guess it was because they had no KERS and were slimmer. For something more recent but not yet infested with all those winglets, I'd go with the MP4-17D. Check out Kimi's 2003 pole at Nurburgring.

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#6 jimjimjeroo

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 19:38

I love the noise more V10s I miss them

#7 rayyu882

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 19:59

2008 was the best looking year in the history of the sport. If DRS on a 2008 car can produce the same racing that we have right now, then I don't see why not. Apart from the fact it won't happen.


If you are referring to the whole grid, maybe... but I don't think any of the 2008 car is better then this one, for me this is one of the best looking F1 car ever.

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#8 freya

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:07

If you are referring to the whole grid, maybe... but I don't think any of the 2008 car is better then this one, for me this is one of the best looking F1 car ever.

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I think most of the problem comes from the ugly front wings. Guess the high and narrow rear wings would still look ok.

PS: BTW. that's not only a great looking car, but also the fastest car ever build in F1. :D

Edited by freya, 01 December 2011 - 20:18.


#9 nimbus111

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:10

I think most of the problem comes from the ugly front wings. Guess the high and narrow rear wings would still look ok.

PS: BTW. that's not only a great looking car, but also the fastest car ever build in F1. :D


i agree that car would be perfect if it had a bigger front wing.

#10 Jovanotti

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:12

Now that overtaking has become a mere formality with the drs, I wonder if we could do away with the half-hearted attempts to cut down on aerodynamical grip reliance, and go back to more exciting and better looking cars.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related


wtf, didn't remember that that Ferrari was so nervous :eek:

#11 purplejohn

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:12

If you are referring to the whole grid, maybe... but I don't think any of the 2008 car is better then this one, for me this is one of the best looking F1 car ever.

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Beautiful

i like this one more so much so i have 5 different driver versions in my diecast collection

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#12 DracoN

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:13

ugliest front wing ever

#13 purplejohn

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:14

ugliest front wing ever


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#14 Fastcake

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:15

I don't see how those cars are any nicer looking than the current ones...

#15 purplejohn

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:21

I do like the modern cars too its just i prefer the shorter cars

#16 zack1994

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:26

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I like the cars of today but this mclaren is stunning.

#17 rayyu882

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:28

I think most of the problem comes from the ugly front wings. Guess the high and narrow rear wings would still look ok.

PS: BTW. that's not only a great looking car, but also the fastest car ever build in F1. :D


Too bad it's not reliable enough to win the title!

#18 Tiakumosan

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:29

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#19 nimbus111

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:30

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too simple, looks like an indy car

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#20 Ellios

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:35

I love the noise more V10s I miss them



:up:


people want to go to all KERS and HYBRID 1.4litre malarky - shit on a stick is what I say

#21 CrashPad

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:39

Ahh, the MP4-20.
Seriously the best looking F1 beast built in the 2000's; smooth lines with minimal (compared to other cars of the time atleast) flipflaps, awesome livery and those horns that make it stand out of the crowd.
And not only was it beautiful but deadly fast too.

Would've propably been to much to ask for it to be reliable too....shame really.

#22 purplejohn

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:39

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#23 nimbus111

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:41

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i love the aero detail this era had, stunning. :love:

#24 purplejohn

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:42

i like the gold protective material looks like a spaceship

#25 Frank Tuesday

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:46

Now that overtaking has become a mere formality with the drs, I wonder if we could do away with the half-hearted attempts to cut down on aerodynamical grip reliance, and go back to more exciting and better looking cars.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related


Interesting idea, but not everyone is going to agree on what cars are more exciting and better looking. I'll take the cars of the 60s or early 90s. All of those hideous monstrosities of winglets and barge boards and vanes of the late 90s and 00s can never be seen again for all I care.

#26 Fulcrum

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:46

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#27 Seanspeed

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:48

With the anvil engine covers gone, I think the current generation cars look pretty good.

I prefer them over the last generation of cars with all the awful fiddly aero bits growing on the cars. New cars are much cleaner looking.

Oh, and I really hated Mclaren's nose-shape from the last generation. Along with the awful paintjob(chrome with red wings?) and the scoop of a front wing, I dont understand how anybody can find those cars attractive. I'd say Mclaren's last good-looking car was in 2005.

#28 purplejohn

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:50

rear wing on the jordan reminds me of this

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#29 purplejohn

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:51

With the anvil engine covers gone, I think the current generation cars look pretty good.

I prefer them over the last generation of cars with all the awful fiddly aero bits growing on the cars. New cars are much cleaner looking.

Oh, and I really hated Mclaren's nose-shape from the last generation. Along with the awful paintjob(chrome with red wings?) and the scoop of a front wing, I dont understand how anybody can find those cars attractive. I'd say Mclaren's last good-looking car was in 2005.


the red is McLaren rocket red it works.

#30 Afterburner

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 20:53

DRS only accounted for about 30% of passes IIRC, so the new cars work. Going back to pre-2008 models wouldn't help.

The Pirellis might still make a difference--I think they accounted for overtaking more than the aero rules and DRS both did.

2008 was the best looking year in the history of the sport. If DRS on a 2008 car can produce the same racing that we have right now, then I don't see why not. Apart from the fact it won't happen.

Agreed--the 2008 cars were stunning. The last year of virtual aerodynamic freedom... I do miss the look of those cars very much--they just look faster than the cars that are running today.

I remember thinking that the '07-'08 cars made the '03-'04 cars look obsolete--and they were only four years old at the time! In comparison, this year's cars don't look too much different from the 2009 ones, in my opinion. There doesn't seem to be as much innovation anymore now that we don't see Viking horns or rabbit ears and the like sprouting up every few races. For me, this takes some of the fun out of things. :lol:

It's a tough call between the 2007 Ferrari or the 2008 McLaren for the best-looking F1 car, in my opinion. I can only wonder what they would've done in '09 had the aero rules not changed.

With the anvil engine covers gone, I think the current generation cars look pretty good.

Sort of agree with you here. Those look better on Le Mans cars than they do F1 cars, I think.

I prefer them over the last generation of cars with all the awful fiddly aero bits growing on the cars. New cars are much cleaner looking.

I actually think today's cars look rather bland, to be honest. I used to like comparing all the different aero packages on the last-generation cars.

Oh, and I really hated Mclaren's nose-shape from the last generation. Along with the awful paintjob(chrome with red wings?) and the scoop of a front wing, I dont understand how anybody can find those cars attractive. I'd say Mclaren's last good-looking car was in 2005.

They had pewter in '06 before they went to chrome for '07 onwards, if I recall correctly. The chrome isn't too bad, I think--it gives them a distinctive appearance that sets them apart from the other teams, at the very least. I did like the black-and-white scheme from the 90's/early 00's, though.

Edited by Afterburner, 01 December 2011 - 21:01.


#31 Crafty

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:02

meh.

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#32 midgrid

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:02

The current generation of cars look OK, but it would be so much better if the front and rear wings were the same width.

#33 f1seb

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:05

I agree with whoever said the cars from the early 90's looked the best. Cars were simply gorgeous then:

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#34 purplejohn

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:10

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best looking of the new generation also the most interesting

#35 Ellios

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:18

best looking of the new generation also the most interesting



stick some fat rear tires on it - would look much better then :cool:

#36 olliek88

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:19

I think thats a pretty beautiful car myself.



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#37 morrino

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:25

Sorry but 2011's McLaren is one of the worst looking of the grid. Those L-shaped air inlets and the horrible nose.

I agree that when you look at 2007/08 cars they look more advanced and fast than the current ones.

#38 SteF1an

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:27

Best Looking F1 car ever

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#39 tifosi

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:30

meh.

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THANK YOU!!!!

I was REALLY beginning to question the tastes of current bb members.

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#40 nimbus111

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:37

THANK YOU!!!!

I was REALLY beginning to question the tastes of current bb members.


i like that too and the new ones.  ;)

#41 LoudHoward

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:40

+1 Eagle.

Also like the late 90's Ferraris, mainly the '98 machine. It just looked aggressive and mean, and the way Schumi sat up high in it and drove it like a kart - awesome! :love:

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#42 H0R

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:46

meh.

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This.
Dan might be forgotten by too many racing aficionados (except us GPLers of course), but the Eagle is after nearly 50 years unsurpassed in terms of sheer elegance.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:47

Though it's easy to get all misty eyed about the early 90s McLarens or the late 70s Lotuses, or the 50s Ferraris etc, I mostly watch F1 over other motorsports for the cutting-edge technology on display. F1 is about competitive engineering, and always has been. In recent years budgets have allowed entirely new cars every season and even 'B' spec chassis part way through a season, plus the bolt-on aero is constantly evolving race to race.

As such I prefer the most modern cars. Look at the incredibly intricate aerodynamically sculpted fuselage of a 2011 car versus the boxy "Oh, we didn't think of making that bit contribute to down-force or air channelling" tubs from the 90s.

I can of course appreciate the historical genius of the 70s ground-effect cars, and the power of the 80s cars etcetera, but they're just lessons from the past in today's engineering.

Of course, I recognise that the present regulations mean long narrow cars with high narrow rear wings and giant aesthetically horrid front wings, and that cars would be prettier if they could revert these particular components to mid-90s regulations, but frankly I don't mind them so much. The huge front wings mean there's a lot of clever aero on display, and that's something I appreciate.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:47

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Now from that angle the car looks aggressive and fantastic.

And as for the Brawn, the car wasn't good looking, but the livery was great! When they did one up in Mercedes colours, it was quite frankly bad. I still love the Brawn colours it's a shame Ross didn't want to go it alone :( Even the wheel fairings in florescent green were great. Everyone else just had a dull boring black.

I love to see a good looking F1 car though. Obviously it's subjective, but knowing that cars are built to be fast, seeing one to turn out to look great too us brilliant :)

Edit: Jeez that pictures massive. Do we have to use such large ones?

Edited by Fastcake, 01 December 2011 - 21:50.


#45 Fourjays

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:48

meh.

Beauty:

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Now those are nice cars. :D I don't understand the hype around the mid-00 cars... they were a hideous mess of bits and pieces. I like pretty much every other era of cars.

#46 nimbus111

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 21:57

Now those are nice cars. :D I don't understand the hype around the mid-00 cars... they were a hideous mess of bits and pieces. I like pretty much every other era of cars.


good point but the beauty about that era was the total aero freedom, this was an aerodynamices's dream and it was interesting to see every race something new on the car. some of it was hideous but most was the free thinking of the worlds best.

#47 purplejohn

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 22:23

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mp4-24 was a dog on the track but i loved the curves, especially under the lights of singapore

#48 Skinnyguy

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 22:27

I don´t understand why there was a need to change, old GP2 cars had the same wing sizes and placements and they produced fastastic racing.

I´d go back to 2004-2005 like looking cars, just the right amount of twisted bodywork, plus still one level front wings.

#49 Crafty

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 22:33

<snip big pic of 2006 McLaren>

WOW


From that angle all those swoopy bits and cut outs remind me of chav chariots, y'know like:
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#50 purplejohn

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 22:37

From that angle all those swoopy bits and cut outs remind me of chav chariots, y'know like:
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not sure the same amount of aero went into that. they obviously couldn't afford the chrome paint