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#1 AAGR

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 17:17

Alan Mann Racing had six Escort Twin-Cams in 1968, one of which was written off in early testing.

Three of them were rightly famous - XOO 344F, XOO 346F and of course XOO 349F.

But whatever happened to XOO 347F and XOO 348F ? Where did they race in 1968 (I don't think it was the UK). Any details would be gratefully received ....

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#2 Allen Brown

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 17:23

Welcome Graham

#3 Tim Murray

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 17:28

Hear hear. Good to have you here.

#4 sterling49

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 17:31

According to "The Works Escorts" by Graham Robson, 347F was loaned to several race teams for the '68.'69. and '70 seasons, then sold to Alec Poole in August 1973. 348F was quoted as being a AMR team car and sold in September '72 to Wylies of Glasgow, driven I believe by Doug Niven, although I have been know to get it wrong! This is very old history, what happened after this ............................

#5 Tim Murray

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 17:41

These earlier threads might help answer some of the questions:

Any pics of AMR Escort XOO 347F from 1968 or '69?

Restoration nearing completion of Alan Mann Escort XOO348F

#6 AAGR

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 17:50

These earlier threads might help answer some of the questions:

Any pics of AMR Escort XOO 347F from 1968 or '69?

Restoration nearing completion of Alan Mann Escort XOO348F


OK Tim,

I'm relatively happy with what these cars are up to, today. It's what they did in 1968 that still bugs me. And somehow I don't think there are any obviously surviving archives which will tell me . Those quotes from THE WORKS ESCORTS originated in Boreham's very scrappy files of the mid-1970s (when the original edition of that book was compiled.) At the time there was no-one at Boreham who seemed to know, or care, any more.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 19:57

You mean they didn't actually ever appear carrying any of those better known reg nos.......?

Edited by RS2000, 02 December 2011 - 19:58.


#8 Hamish Robson

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 17:16

I knew you'd arrived, but welcome Dad!

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 17:47

Welcome Graham I still miss our old days on the seafront at Brighton in November.
Silly thing to ask but have you spoken to Alan?

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 18:22

What was purportedly an ex works Escort ended up here in Vancouver in the mid seventies. It was converted for road racing and the last time I saw it-mid eighties-it had a turbocharged Pinto engine. I acquired the engine for the Lotus 23 I had at the time and later, in the early nineties, tracked down the magnesium cased gearbox for a racing Elan I owned. I had lost track of the Escort by the mid eighties. Does this fit in with any information anyone else has?

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 20:42

What was purportedly an ex works Escort ended up here in Vancouver in the mid seventies. It was converted for road racing and the last time I saw it-mid eighties-it had a turbocharged Pinto engine. I acquired the engine for the Lotus 23 I had at the time and later, in the early nineties, tracked down the magnesium cased gearbox for a racing Elan I owned. I had lost track of the Escort by the mid eighties. Does this fit in with any information anyone else has?


It's all wonderful after-the-event information but, selfishly, I'm only interested in the first year - 1968. I think XOO 347F and XOO 348F both raced in Europe (not in the UK) in that year, but I can't be sure. Guess what .... I have a new book to complete ....

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Edited by AAGR, 03 December 2011 - 20:42.


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Posted 03 December 2011 - 21:41

I guess a comparison of 68 BSCC and ETCC dates might help - if there were any clashes or near clashes it would tend to confirm separate cars for the two. Despite both series in 68 nominally being to Gp5, the ETCC cars used the TC engine, not the FVA of the BSCC. I'm not sure how simple a swap of the two engines was.
In 68 one AMR Escort was recorded at ETCC Zolder, two at Nurburgring, one at Zandvoort and one at Jarama. Not at every ETCC round and there doesn't seem to have been a "long distance" car. Prior to Escort TC Gp2 homologation 1.5.68. (a prerequisite for running in Gp5) the number of Cortina appearances in Europe also now raises questions of where they all came from. With CTC24E in UK with an FVA, did the unloved (by AMR or F. Gardner specifically?) Boreham-built UVX565E do more events with AMR than is generally recognised?
Not sure if 69 is at all clear, if the FVA was banned from BSCC, despite nominally still running to Gp5.

Edit:
68 Zolder was 344 (photo on Frank de Jong's site)

Edited by RS2000, 03 December 2011 - 22:08.


#13 RS2000

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 14:51

344 is also listed as Gardner's car at the Nurburgring in 68. Googling will find scale models of this car and the other, Arundel, car (nos 35 and 36?) there with reg nos - but can't read the latter one.
347 was the Oliver car at Brands BSCC 2.9.68. (listed as "supercharged" - the infamous heater motor aimed at the inlet). I was at Brands for the BGP meeting earlier in the year but not at that one. Not that we paid attention to reg nos in the day...
Have heard stories of a Mann TC going to Australia (where it ran unregistered) via Holman and Moody in US and returning to UK (via a race in Hong Kong?). Candidate for the missing 348?

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 20:42

Have heard stories of a Mann TC going to Australia (where it ran unregistered) via Holman and Moody in US and returning to UK (via a race in Hong Kong?). Candidate for the missing 348?

Allan Moffat ran what was supposedly an ex Alan Mann Escort in Australia in the early '70s, also raced it in Macau (Hong Kong). Don't know if it was ever returned to England though.

http://forums.autosp...w...148&st=6040

http://www.sportssed...e...=319&p=4125

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 09:34

Another interesting quote regarding the Moffat Escort from a local (Aus) Ford Escort forum:

"It'll either be a BDA or the FVA which he ran in the older dark colour rallycross car which was the engine out of the ex-Alan Mann Mk1 Escort that Allan Moffat got out of Holman and Moody in the US and raced as a Sports Sedan in the very ealy 70's"

The quote is in regard to a Mk 1 Escort run by local Ford rally stalwart Bruce Hodgson in rallycross in the '70s.

So in regard to the original subject, could the missing ex AMR XOO 348F Escort have ended up in Australia as Moffat's sports sedan and subsequently have been 'dismantled' here?