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#1401 Andy35

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 05:31

Goodish and bad news

@marcmartintw: @JoanLascorz17 latest news:he moves arms from shoulders to wrists. Doctors hope he could retake hands sensibility.Mobility of legs in doubt.


Still early yet though, need to give it time so I still hope.

Andy

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#1402 Atreiu

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 14:09

Going by this, AUDI buying Ducati is basically done.
http://economia.uol....por-ducati.jhtm

For a while I was sceptic, but I guess it'll be good.

Oh, it's in portuguese.

#1403 kosmic33

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 20:41

Looks like deal is done
http://superbikeplan...r/120417a17.htm

Edited by kosmic33, 17 April 2012 - 20:41.


#1404 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 20:45

Looks like deal is done
http://superbikeplan...r/120417a17.htm

Still based on the same story as this morning, 2 "insiders" say its a done deal

http://uk.reuters.co...E83G0L820120417

It will probably be announced officially tomorrow

#1405 kosmic33

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 20:54

I expect Mercedes will be next to buy a bike brand?

They'll not want to be outdone in this latest round of German top trumps........

(I am joking by the way)

Edited by kosmic33, 17 April 2012 - 20:55.


#1406 woftam

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 04:39

If Audi buy Ducati, what happens with the motogp team this season?
I mean as far as sponsors go?
Audi would not like that AMG logo on their new purchase that's for sure.

#1407 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:02

Desmodromic Audi engines soon then? :)

#1408 Andy35

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:12

Ducati's will now got a huge amount of options that will double the price of the bike :)

I guess the benefit to Ducati perhaps is using the Audi purchasing muscle and therefore improving profit per bike, as well as quality improvements whereas the benefit to Audi is certainly not getting a massive amount of profit back but as a product that can add glamour and machismo to their (mainly) dull car brands.

So Rossi will no longer have that dream of an Italian winning on an Italian bike, it will be German :p

If he ever does!

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#1409 wati

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 07:54

Desmodromic Audi engines soon then? :)



Ducati TFSi more likely, hehe, Stefan Bradl #1 rider. Great article on motomatters, check it out.

http://motomatters.c..._blue_sea_.html

#1410 Atreiu

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 11:41

I read that.
It really does seem the most reasonable option is that Rossi and Ducati stick to each other while they start building like Rossi, Hayden, et all ask for.

#1411 ViMaMo

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 12:53

Funny that the AMG magazine featured a Ducati :D

#1412 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 17:19

Finally confirmed Audi buys Ducati http://www.reuters.c...WEA836920120418

#1413 Risil

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 17:20

For such a big news story that's been anticipated and preannounced for months I've still got no idea what it means.

#1414 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 17:22

And from Ducati and Audi http://www.ducati.co..._group/index.do

#1415 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 17:23

For such a big news story that's been anticipated and preannounced for months I've still got no idea what it means.

I can't see any reason for it ither than a trophy

"I can't think of a concrete reason for Audi to warrant a business case for buying Ducati," said Stefan Bratzel, director of the Center of Automotive at the University of Applied Sciences in Bergisch-Gladbach.

"Ducati doesn't enhance Audi's business model in any way, it's just a trophy in the wall cabinet," he added.



#1416 BiH

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 17:34

From consumer standpoint this is great news, VW group did wonders with Lamborghini and if anyone knows how to turn around Ducati its them.


Will be interesting to see if any of Audi's racing technology makes it way on to GP12 ie lightweight materials etc..

#1417 manmower

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 17:39

Another one bites the dust.

Hopefully Piaggio will keep selling enough Vespas that they're not tempted to sell Aprilia or Guzzi. In fact, they should bring back Laverda. :cat:

#1418 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 18:36

That's the thing, Ducati has been extremely well run since the 1098 came out. They've gone from a shabby brand with a big name to being a well polished yet still affordable one. If Audi makes any changes they're insane and I can't imagine them extracting anything from Ducati to use for their cars.

Edit: Not sure how Ducati is 'biting the dust' here. They were American owned for 9 years and remained very much an Italian company.

Edited by Chubby_Deuce, 18 April 2012 - 18:38.


#1419 carbonfibre

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 19:49

Indeed what is there to turn around?

People may still think as the old Ducati but for a couple of years already they are very succesfull getting all new sorts of bikes out there (diaval, hypermotard, new multistrada) and ofcourse the new 1199 which has been praised in every single review. Audi has nothing that can make Ducati better, if Audi sticks to the cars and let Ducati build their bikes then it will be a succes.

And as for maintenance the new Ducati's have a big interval in maintenance even bigger then a lot of japanese bikes. That doesn't mean it's cheaper but they have made huge steps in that area.

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#1420 Atreiu

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 20:14

"Audi has nothing that can make Ducati better", I'm no expert, but that's bold.

#1421 Risil

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 20:16

"Audi has nothing that can make Ducati better", I'm no expert, but that's bold.


Don't know about anyone else but I'd like to see a turbodiesel in Valentino Rossi's updated GP12.

#1422 Atreiu

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 20:45

Don't know about anyone else but I'd like to see a turbodiesel in Valentino Rossi's updated GP12.



Hehe.

#1423 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 20:51

Don't know about anyone else but I'd like to see a turbodiesel in Valentino Rossi's updated GP12

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Thought it was a diesel already! :stoned:

#1424 ArnageWRC

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 21:15

I believe they didn't really mention too much about the Ducati MotoGP - but did mention the WSBK. Hmmm, interesting. Do they take the view that WSBK as a 'Production' series is more road relevant than MotoGP.....???

It's one way of getting Rossi into either a GT or Sportscar.....;)



#1425 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 13:50

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Spot Rea and Hopkins on mini-bikes and Haslam on an even smaller pocket-bike

http://www.worldsbk....t-at-assen.html

#1426 manmower

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 14:32

Got Rea and Haslam, where's Hopkins?

#1427 Obi Offiah

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 15:23

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Thought it was a diesel already! :stoned:

A Ducati, sponsored by AMG and now owned by Audi. I'm sure this sort of thing happens more often than I notice.

Edited by Obi Offiah, 19 April 2012 - 15:24.


#1428 GSiebert

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 16:25

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Spot Rea and Hopkins on mini-bikes and Haslam on an even smaller pocket-bike

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I hope Hopkins didn't break any bone this time.


#1429 Tonka

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 17:06

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Formula Shortarse ?



#1430 Tonka

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 17:07

I see Rossi was in a car race at the weekend, driving a Ferrari. Will he getting a replacement Audi for the rest of the series ?



#1431 4MEN

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 18:49

"Audi has nothing that can make Ducati better", I'm no expert, but that's bold.


make them cheaper!

#1432 Risil

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 18:59

make them cheaper!


Ducati likes its premium-brand cachet as it is thank you very much. ;)

#1433 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 19:19

Ducati wouldn't dilute their brand with a bike priced the same as the Japanese 4s.

#1434 4MEN

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 19:33

Ducati likes its premium-brand cachet as it is thank you very much.;)


I'm just joking. I'm the proud owner of a Monster.

#1435 Seanspeed

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 03:40

Autosport is saying that Tech 3 has a seat 'promised' to Bradley Smith, so either Dovi or Crutchlow will be out of a seat at the end of the year. I hope this 'promise' isn't written down in ink, cuz it seems to be a pretty fantastic pairing so far. Bradley is still very young and has a lot to prove, I think.

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#1436 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 04:42

I'm not sure what he's done to deserve that.

#1437 hulmerist

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:31

Autosport is saying that Tech 3 has a seat 'promised' to Bradley Smith, so either Dovi or Crutchlow will be out of a seat at the end of the year. I hope this 'promise' isn't written down in ink, cuz it seems to be a pretty fantastic pairing so far. Bradley is still very young and has a lot to prove, I think.


Maybe the rider who scores more this season will take Spies' ride

#1438 lbennie

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:41

I'm not sure what he's done to deserve that.


agree :confused:

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#1439 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:55

I'm not sure what he's done to deserve that.

I thought this when the news first broke last year. Surely Scott Redding would have been the better bet given his size and the fact that he isn't afraid to mix it when he has to. Bradders is no slouch but I just think he gets muscled out of it too easily.

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#1440 Andy35

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:56

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No, no .. no

No Dani Pedrosa being the rider on the far left joke from me.

No way.

No.


Ah bollocks, it slipped out. Andy


#1441 Andy35

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:57

I'm not sure what he's done to deserve that.



Me neither. He's never really set the world on fire. He's ok in front but the number of times he has slipped back through packs because he just doesn't seem to be able to ride off a certain line and just gets bullied to the back.

I'd keep Dovi and Cal.

Andy

#1442 Zoe

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 06:03

make them cheaper!

That's why Audi announced a price rise on their cars now? :confused: :eek:

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#1443 DS27

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 07:53

I thought this when the news first broke last year. Surely Scott Redding would have been the better bet given his size and the fact that he isn't afraid to mix it when he has to. Bradders is no slouch but I just think he gets muscled out of it too easily.



Unfortunately, I'v got to agree with this - Bradley never seemed to come out on top in wheeel to wheel racing. Would be bizzare for Tech 3 to replace either rider with him. I'm hanging on to the hope that Redding may be better suited to Moto GP than Moto2, but got the feeling over the last couple of years that I may be kidding myself.

#1444 Rob

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:07

Autosport is saying that Tech 3 has a seat 'promised' to Bradley Smith, so either Dovi or Crutchlow will be out of a seat at the end of the year. I hope this 'promise' isn't written down in ink, cuz it seems to be a pretty fantastic pairing so far. Bradley is still very young and has a lot to prove, I think.


They could keep all three. Tech 3 could very easily make an R1-based CRT machine for Bradders.

#1445 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:08

They could keep all three. Tech 3 could very easily make an R1-based CRT machine for Bradders.

I would have thought that, but didn't Tech 3 just can their CRT project?

#1446 Rob

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:20

I would have thought that, but didn't Tech 3 just can their CRT project?


There were some noises but I bet they're still working on something. They're certainly not going to get a third prototype bike so if they want to keep all three they need something else. They made their own Moto2 chassis so I think a CRT bike would be right up Tech 3's street.

#1447 Option1

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 13:53

The Smith to Tech 3 MotoGP thing has been common knowledge ever since he signed the contract late last year. I'm going to guess that one of the following scenarios will come to pass:

* Tech 3 will do a CRT bike for him.
* He'll replace Cal who'll go to the factory team.
* He'll replace Dovi who's been signed as a stop-gap.
* Tech 3 will go all F1 and say "contract, what contract?" (least likely).

But my confusion lies with those who've only just found out about it. Pay attention people!

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#1448 Rob

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 14:04

The Smith to Tech 3 MotoGP thing has been common knowledge ever since he signed the contract late last year.


Yep, it was probably six months or so ago that it was announced.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 14:26

Yep, it was probably six months or so ago that it was announced.


It was quite an odd decision at the time. But if we're doing numbered lists like Neil is (I love them)

1) Smith has always handily beaten his teammates in Moto2
2) No one else runs Tech 3 chassis, so the team may well have a much better idea of how good Smith is than outside observers, however experienced.
3) At certain circuits last year he was as much a match for Marquez as Bradl was. Admittedly I'm a bit biased because I was lucky enough to attend the Mugello race last year, but Smith put on a brilliant performance there.

Edited by Risil, 20 April 2012 - 14:26.


#1450 Rob

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 14:47

It was quite an odd decision at the time. But if we're doing numbered lists like Neil is (I love them)

1) Smith has always handily beaten his teammates in Moto2
2) No one else runs Tech 3 chassis, so the team may well have a much better idea of how good Smith is than outside observers, however experienced.
3) At certain circuits last year he was as much a match for Marquez as Bradl was. Admittedly I'm a bit biased because I was lucky enough to attend the Mugello race last year, but Smith put on a brilliant performance there.


I agree with you. His bike is probably getting the least developmental feedback of any on the grid. I thought it was a very good debut season and hopefully Tech 3 won't suffer too much from going from three to two bikes.

Smith's clearly not as aggressive as someone like Iannone, but he's a good little rider. Yes, I know he's quite tall now, but I still think of the little kid on the Repsol Honda from several years ago.