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#601 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 17:09

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Suspect Cut on the C31

Sauber has done research for the location of the exhaust gasses and the release of 'hot air from the sides (indicated by red arrow). And in Sepang, was the subject of a request for clarification for this cut (highlighted in yellow). Placed in front of the rear wheels, which allows the passage of a part of the flow by discharges in the lower zone of the lateral channels

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#602 Baddoer

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 16:53

Looks like they using low pressure area ahead of rear wheels to blow diffuser. Will be copied soon by everyone.

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#603 Mastah

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 18:29

Sauber has revealed it cannot afford to simply jump in and copy Mercedes’ innovative F-duct solution.

The small Swiss team had almost winning race pace in Malaysia last weekend even without the extra straight-line speed that would be provided by a system along the lines of Mercedes’ DRS-complimenting concept.

Despite their complaints about the legality of the system, there is little doubt the big-budget teams will be working frantically to emulate the Mercedes’ concept, which to date has the blessing of the FIA.

According to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, however, it will be a different story for the smaller teams.

“If we started now with a blank sheet of paper, we would be ready in two months,” said Sauber’s chief designer Matt Morris.

“But it would really add up. We have to ask ourselves whether it’s worth it for us, or whether we would be better off chasing the laptime with more conventional steps.

“On the other hand the big teams can handle a development like that in parallel to their normal programmes,” he added.

http://www.f1zone.ne...s-f-duct/13332/



#604 Santosdf

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 14:57

China track is not that different from Malasya, do you think Sauber can put both drivers in the top 10?

#605 Kubiccia

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 20:56

tracks are quite different.

Sepang have more high speed corners while China have longer straights.

#606 Iseriouslyhadenough

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 21:00

Plus Malaysia has much more abrasive track killing the tires - which had Sauber benefit a lot.

It's not like they're as much as different as Monaco to Monza, but they're not quite similar.

2 weeks forecast seems rather dry :clap:

#607 Mastah

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:30

Sauber is targeting a much-needed improvement to its qualifying pace for the Chinese Grand Prix, so it can capitalise on the kind of race form that helped Sergio Perez challenge for victory in Malaysia.

The Swiss outfit is confident that its C31 has the speed to deliver more podium finishes this year, but it feels its chances of doing that will be compromised if it cannot get its drivers nearer the front of the grid.

Sauber's chief designer Matt Morris thinks the team has made gains in qualifying pace since last year, but reckons there is still room for improvement - which is why changes will come for the next race at Shanghai.

"I think we have a better balance between qualifying and the race, but we still need to find more performance in qualifying because we are not qualifying where the pace of the car is," he told AUTOSPORT. "That is something that we accept and are concentrating on now."

Morris said the team was working hard on both set-up tweaks that will help bring its tyres into a better performance window, as well as car upgrades.

"There are lots of things you can do in terms of set-up," he said. "There are also some parts that we will bring to Shanghai to test, as it will be a lot cooler there than it was in Malaysia.

"Clearly we have a competitive car, and we have to keep the momentum up now. We need to push on and score some more points – because to have what we have already got after the first two races is a dream start for us."

And with Morris believing that the Malaysia circuit with its long straights did not play to the strengths of the C31, he reckons there are grounds to feel confident about what can be achieved at venues that will be better for his car.

"It is very circuit dependent and, with our car, the layout of Malaysia was not best suited to it," he said. "So to come away from there with what we came away with was great. To be competitive there bodes well.

"It was a great effort from the team, and the guys back at the factory. We knew in Melbourne that we have a competitive car this year, and we can build on this. We need to put more performance on the car and continue to score more points and podiums."

Sauber is planning a big development upgrade for its car for the Spanish Grand Prix, as well as further tweaks to its DRS to help its overtaking potential.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/98579


China with its long back straight and S/F straight won't be the best territory for C31, but Catalunya and Monaco should suit car quite well. I can't wait for Monaco, if Sauber is competetive, then Checo will show magic once again, no doubt.

#608 Mastah

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:42

Fired up by its own good performances from the first two rounds of the 2012 FIA Formula One World Championship and refreshed after a little break, the Sauber F1 Team is heading for the next back-to-back race meetings. On 15th April the UBS Chinese Grand Prix will get underway, while the race in Bahrain is on the programme for the 22nd April. After two of the 20 rounds the Swiss team has 30 championship points to its tally and currently ranks fourth in the constructors’ championship. Kamui Kobayashi, who came sixth in Australia, has overcome his disappointment after his retirement in Malaysia and is ready to attack again. Sergio Pérez has been feted in his home country of Mexico after his second place finish in Sepang.

Kamui Kobayashi (car number 14):
“I always have a good feeling for this Grand Prix. I really like the circuit near Shanghai because I enjoy its high speed corners very much, and as well as that they should suit our car. Last year the race was great fun and I scored a point after having started 13th. The track temperatures might be lower than recently in Malaysia, as I expect them to be more like they were in Melbourne, and this also should be better for us and the tyres, but we have to see how it is once we are there. In any case I will go there with a positive approach and after the small break it will be interesting to see who brings what updates for the cars. Personally I have been using the days off for some extra training sessions with our physiotherapist, Joseph Leberer, in Japan.”

Sergio Pérez (car number 15):
“I am very much looking forward to the Chinese Grand Prix. I enjoyed the short break after the race in Malaysia, although, especially in the beginning, it was a busy time back in Mexico. The reception in Guadalajara was absolutely great and I really loved seeing my family and friends at home. However, I’m very much focused on thinking about further improvements and continued with my training programme. We all have to keep our heads down and work hard. Our car can be competitive and we have to make the most of it. Last year initially I had a good race in Shanghai, but then I had contact with some other cars towards the end of the Grand Prix and was penalised. The high speed corners of the track should suit our car. I especially like turn one - it is a long and pretty difficult bend. The long straight will not be the easiest part for us, but, again, we have to maximise our potential.”

Giampaolo Dall’Ara; Head of Track Engineering:
“The Shanghai International Circuit is a very demanding track. Its peculiarities are several sections with a combination of braking and lateral forces as well as traction and lateral forces. This puts some demands on the car with regards to braking stability and overall balance. The straights are also quite relevant for lap times, especially the very long one where you need speed in qualifying as well as for overtaking in the race. We are being allocated the soft and the medium tyre compounds. Normally the durability is not an issue but, as the track is not often used, there can be graining and high wear levels at the beginning of the weekend. We had some difficulties with tyre degradation in hot conditions in Malaysia, however, this should be less of an issue in Shanghai, because the tarmac is smooth and overall there are fewer high speed corners with high lateral forces. What can be a challenge is the weather. In April there is always quite a high possibility of rain, which is not as dramatic as in Malaysia, but still is something we have to bear in mind when planning the weekend. The car will have some minor modifications compared to the one we ran in Malaysia. I’m confident we can be very competitive in the race.



#609 DracoN

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 14:10

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#610 IceSkyrim

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 23:16

http://www.yallaf1.c...r-to-stay-home/

Nervous Papa Perez told by Sauber to stay home





#611 DracoN

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 12:01

New logo ?
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Old spec exit
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Looks Beautiful

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#612 KAMPFKOLOSS

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 13:12

OUT OF THE BLUE = New sponsor for Barcelona announced

Papa Perez = Another lie from Swiss "Newspaper" "Journalist" Roger Benoit. Perez confirmed that Papa Perez was not in Malaysia. Blick wrote that Papa Perez was kicked out of the box because of the Malaysia race...

#613 Don_Humpador

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 17:38

New Spec
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Looks Beautiful

Damn, that is nice. :eek:

#614 Talisman

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:49

At the end of Q2 the Saubers are both doing brilliantly, Kamui especially. I can't remember the last time a Sauber could afford not to do a lap on softs in Q1! Times in the last section really aren't bad either given straight line speed is supposed to be Sauber's weakpoint, Perez set the highest speed so far and Kobayashi second...

#615 DracoN

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:50

Tomorrow they gonna win :D

#616 Talisman

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:02

Kobayashi 4th!, 3rd after Lewis gets his penalty, and we all know what happens to Merc once their tyres get worn out...

#617 DracoN

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:03

very happy, sauber is top team :)

#618 MinardiSpeed

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:08

wow koba!

podium tomorrow, please!!!

#619 PayasYouRace

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:22

Pleasantly surprised by Sauber's pace today. Great job in qualyfing. That car clearly has something to it.

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#620 Synaptix

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:24

This team needs some sponsors already like come on they are killing it! With their budget and the speed of the car it has to be a good investment. Someone in Japan has to step it up for Kamui or something!



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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:28

A win is very very possible, espeically as the car showed in Malaysia it was quick if lower temps

All depends if the drivers have what it takes... well done Sauber



#622 AlexS

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:29

Congrats to Sauber. Very nice. I hope you can fight for the win.

#623 kNt

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:37

Excellent Qualy! If the race unfolds as the last races did a win tomorrow might be possible.

#624 PaulD.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:16

Even if it sounds delusional, Sauber is clearly mixing it with the top teams. They had the fastest car last race and they could score lots of points tomorrow... This must be a dream for Peter Sauber. I really hope they can get some big sponsors with these performances and secure the future after the Peter Sauber era...

#625 F1ultimate

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:36

It will be hilarious if the Saubers finish ahead of Ros and Schumi. Pole is amazing but doesnt mean much if tires won't last.

#626 TheBunk

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:41

What a brilliant, brillant car!!! I mean BRILLIANT!!

#627 onewingedangel

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:44

This team needs some sponsors already like come on they are killing it! With their budget and the speed of the car it has to be a good investment. Someone in Japan has to step it up for Kamui or something!


Perhaps they already have - depends who the 'out of the blue' sponsor is.

#628 Starish

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:44

James Key has cemented himself as one of the best TD's surely with this car.

#629 Gyan

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:29

James Key has cemented himself as one of the best TD's surely with this car.


Indeed. Lucky team (McLaren?) whoever has signed him up.

#630 KinoNoNo

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:55

Yes! Way to go guys :clap:

Finally the Saubers nail a quali :up:

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:29

Indeed. Lucky team (McLaren?) whoever has signed him up.


He has gone to Lotus Cars hasn't he?

#632 Collective

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 13:33

Kamui back in full force!!! What a qualy!!! 3 and 8 are great positions to start considering the pace of this car. Just wow! Keep it coming!!! And Mr. Slim, unleash the full wallet on this baby!!!!

#633 ivand911

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 13:59

Yes! Way to go guys :clap:

Finally the Saubers nail a quali :up:

But, did they scarify something for that?


#634 Pamphlet

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 14:05

I have so much hope for Perez and Kobayashi this year. The Sauber genuinely seems like a very good car.

Very happy for ol' man Peter, too.

#635 Massa

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 14:06

For me, this car is clearly a race winner car.

#636 Pamphlet

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 14:15

For me, this car is clearly a race winner car.


I find myself agreeing with you, Felipe baby.

The car is damn good in the race, and all it really needs is a bit of a push in qualifying. I honestly think Kamui's pushed it enough this time.

I called it back in Malaysia - Perez' P2 won't be the last time we'll see Kamui or Checo on the podium this year.

#637 August

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 14:21

What do you think about C31's race pace? Can Kamui keep Maccas, RBRs, and Kimi's Lotus behind? At least I think that if Mercs have tyre issues, Kamui can fight against them and with big Merc tyre issues Sauber is definitely faster. Also, what's C31 like for tyres?

I find myself agreeing with you, Felipe baby.


Before I noticed who you were quoting, I was thinking Checo/Felipe swap would give Felipe a car to fight for podium finishes.

Edited by August, 14 April 2012 - 14:23.


#638 DracoN

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 14:27


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#639 puxanando

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 14:51

:clap: Would be great to see Kobayashi on podium!

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 15:09

He has gone to Lotus Cars hasn't he?


If they still exist by the time he arrives.

The race pace of this C31 is still an unknown in a pure dry race, but he is in a prime position to take advantage of Mercedes tyres problems. He could be leading after the first pitstops if strategy is spot on.

If McLarens lose time at some point during the race, this guy is actually in contention for the win.

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#641 Nemo29E

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 16:01

Race pace when wet or cold does indeed seem good, I get the impression when hotter the likes of Mclaren and Redbull regain there advantage (sauber was decent in oz, but not brill, Williams were quicker there). Its going to be an exciting 1st stint tomorrow that is for sure with unknown quantities like Koba and the mercs tyres at the front with the usual front runners scrapping it out behind.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 16:56

Brilliant job by Kobayashi! I expect him to be able to beat the Mercedes drivers tomorrow, so it'll most likely be a question of holding back the McLarens and Red Bulls to hopefully finish on the podium. The C31's tyre management means that a steady, cautious approach at the start of the race will most likely reap rewards later on, but I'd still like to see him make a banzai start and lead the race into the first corner. :D

Pérez put in a good performance as well, although he was slow in Q3 after picking up understeer on his fresh set of option tyres. Hopefully this won't be so much of a problem in the race, and both drivers can bring in a good haul of points.

#643 PaulD.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 17:17

@F1Enigma
"I have the feeling that the good news for Sauber will emerge when the name of this BLUE sponsor comes out :)"
"Out of the blue" hmmm :)"
"For those who send over "Viagra" as potential Sauber sponsor this would have made it VERY VERY VERY big sponsor"

;)

What's up with the "out of the blue" thing on the engine cover? Is it just teasing since they are not allowed to reveal the sponsor yet? Haven't heard anything about it...

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#644 Collective

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 07:44

Way to screw Checo with strategy... they always have to screw one of their drivers... sometimes both.

#645 DracoN

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 07:45

Yes and Saubers are slow in race. Not good :(

#646 Collective

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:43

Well... Horrible strategies again. Only one point when it should have been plenty. I'm pissed. Off to sleep.

#647 DracoN

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:51

bad strategy and slow car and crazy race.

#648 selespeed

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:52

fastest kap for kamui... :up:

#649 Nemo29E

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:52

Pace didnt seem good (from what some expected, still relatively good, up with ferrari williams at the tail of the front pack (sure is a close pack now)), strategies didnt work well, curiously worked well for williams and grosjean one less stop tho which put pay too a few positions :(

#650 DracoN

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:59

That Koba double pass was cray.