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#1 chfrank

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 13:59

Looking for advertisements for Cooper Formula III cars from 1958. Particularly interested in ads for Cooper MK X and Empire Cars LTD ads for Cooper Formula III and Cooper MK X.

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#2 d j fox

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 16:55

OK--I had a couple of hours to spare (!!)
Here's what I found for January-June in the '58 Autosport .…didn’t see any mention anywhere of Empire Cars Ltd .
July-December later……. David

Jan 31 (repeated March 21)
Michael Christie’s “Record breaking” Cooper Mk X offered complete ready to race with 1100cc engine + spare. Alexander Engineering -Haddenham, Bucks.

March7
1: “Cooper X,fiberglass body, front w/bone, seat,eng.plates,trai;er, 30M cyl., sprockets, g/box,clutch, chains, plugs, 100E new 8 ins, hubs, brakes-Schofield, Yeovil, Somm”
2: “MARK X COOPER fully prepared for season. Maintained regardless of cost. Laps Brands 60.8. Complete with trailer. £525.” (Also selling Martin 500cc—John Brown of Bromley)

March 28 (repeated April 4, June 13)
“F3, Mk X mods., perfect condition-smartest in England with new gearbox, Norton dohc engine, carb, ex/pipe, engine plates. £550- 6 Corporation Oaks, Nottingham"

April 25
“Mark 10 Cooper, disc brakes, complete with spares, less engine. £495. Will exchange, Box 2755"

May 2
“COOPER Mark XI 500cc, chassis frame bent, complete car, less engine, steering box, one front wheel, upright, and tanks, together with close ratio F/B gearbox and four-plate clutch, one F/B cylinder barrel and piston (new), two 43-teeth clutch sprockets, £10 each.
Valves, cams, host of spares all for disposal at below retail prices, s.a.e for list.
We also manufacture the following spares suitable for Mark VII, IX, X and XI, Formula 3 Coopers: Cowlings, nose £13. 10s., tail £15; front undertray, £10 10s.; rear undertray £7 10s 6d., or with disc brake air duct, £9 5s 6d., wishbones sprayed aluminium, £3 5s., plated, £3 15s.; steering arms, £2 10s., plated, £3. Formula 2 type wrap around screens, 8gns-Brimotors, 1 Upper St. Jame’s Street, Brighton”

May 9 (repeated May 16)
“COOPER-NORTON, Mk. X mods., immaculate car, tuned dohc engine. Complete car ready to race, £525. New Burman 7R. gearbox and clutch, cost £79 trade price, accept £60. Dohc tuned Norton engines, special s/stroke £125; l/stroke, £100. Must sell.-Hett, Nottingham."

June 27
“COOPER Mark X, Norton dohc engine. Offer? Will separate, Barcome(Sussex)"



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Posted 03 January 2012 - 20:37

OK--I had a couple of hours to spare (!!)
Here's what I found for January-June in the '58 Autosport .…didn’t see any mention anywhere of Empire Cars Ltd .
July-December later……. David

Jan 31 (repeated March 21)
Michael Christie’s “Record breaking” Cooper Mk X offered complete ready to race with 1100cc engine + spare. Alexander Engineering -Haddenham, Bucks.

March7
1: “Cooper X,fiberglass body, front w/bone, seat,eng.plates,trai;er, 30M cyl., sprockets, g/box,clutch, chains, plugs, 100E new 8 ins, hubs, brakes-Schofield, Yeovil, Somm”
2: “MARK X COOPER fully prepared for season. Maintained regardless of cost. Laps Brands 60.8. Complete with trailer. £525.” (Also selling Martin 500cc—John Brown of Bromley)

March 28 (repeated April 4, June 13)
“F3, Mk X mods., perfect condition-smartest in England with new gearbox, Norton dohc engine, carb, ex/pipe, engine plates. £550- 6 Corporation Oaks, Nottingham"

April 25
“Mark 10 Cooper, disc brakes, complete with spares, less engine. £495. Will exchange, Box 2755"

May 2
“COOPER Mark XI 500cc, chassis frame bent, complete car, less engine, steering box, one front wheel, upright, and tanks, together with close ratio F/B gearbox and four-plate clutch, one F/B cylinder barrel and piston (new), two 43-teeth clutch sprockets, £10 each.
Valves, cams, host of spares all for disposal at below retail prices, s.a.e for list.
We also manufacture the following spares suitable for Mark VII, IX, X and XI, Formula 3 Coopers: Cowlings, nose £13. 10s., tail £15; front undertray, £10 10s.; rear undertray £7 10s 6d., or with disc brake air duct, £9 5s 6d., wishbones sprayed aluminium, £3 5s., plated, £3 15s.; steering arms, £2 10s., plated, £3. Formula 2 type wrap around screens, 8gns-Brimotors, 1 Upper St. Jame’s Street, Brighton”

May 9 (repeated May 16)
“COOPER-NORTON, Mk. X mods., immaculate car, tuned dohc engine. Complete car ready to race, £525. New Burman 7R. gearbox and clutch, cost £79 trade price, accept £60. Dohc tuned Norton engines, special s/stroke £125; l/stroke, £100. Must sell.-Hett, Nottingham."

June 27
“COOPER Mark X, Norton dohc engine. Offer? Will separate, Barcome(Sussex)"



This is fantastic! Thank you so very much for doing this. I have two more leads now.

#4 Mal9444

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 04:15

The prices, fairly standard at around £500, are interesting. What else could one buy for that price in 1958? And how much was a new Cooper?

An entry level racing dinghy (sailing boat) was about £100, a small yacht about £500. I beleive one might still have bought a small house for £1,000.

David: how much was a second-hand 250F in 1958 (or, for that matter, a new one)? I seem to recall being told that when Moss's father and Alf Francis bought Moss's 250F in 1954 the price was £5,000, for which sum they could also have bought a second-hand Spitfire!



#5 David McKinney

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 06:41

The only sale I recall off the top of my head at about that time was Ross Jensen's ex-Moss 2508, which had lain idle at the factory from early 1956 until its sale in late 1957. The price was, I believe, £1500 - or £2000 by the time it got to NZ. I once worked out that the price equated with a mid-sized house (in NZ)

#6 d j fox

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 17:30

Gents

My searches through all the 1958 Autosport "Racing Car" ads only revealed one 250 F for sale (December 12 and 19):-

“FORMULA 1 MASERATI 250F, in immaculate condition. Offered at a ridiculous price to genuine purchaser. Cliff Davis Riverside (Exchange phone number)"

No price quoted.
Cliff Davis cars were based down the road from Shepherd’s Bush,London
Can the experts say which ( I assume Brit) 250F this was?

David


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Posted 05 January 2012 - 17:34

..to finish the Cooper Mar X ads--here's July-December

July 11
“COOPER Mark 10, Norton dohc. Offer or exchange Barcome (Sussex)” (same as June 27)

“COOPER Mk VIII modified to X, immaculate throughout, ex-TP Taylor, very successful car. £320 less engine or would sell with late type J.A.P.-Eccles, Little Sutton, Sutton Coldfield”

“MARK X COOPER NORTON, dohc engine in first class condition, several major successes. Many spares including Featherbed gearbox, five plate clutch etc. £500.
AV Cowley, Tunbridge Wells” (repeated July 18, August 1: November 14 &21 price now “nearest offer to £450”.)

July 25
“COOPER MARK X, ex.John Brown, £495, less engine, £415-Barcombe (Sussex)”

“Cooper MARK 10, Norton dohc featherbed engine and gearbox, fiberglass body raced only 25 miles, complete with trailer and various spares. Price £525. Phone Ashford, Middx”

August 8
COOPER MARK X, latest type Burman racing gearbox. New Dunlop tyres. Fitted Lancefield modified featherbed Norton. Raced once since overhaul. £525. £425 less engine. Will exchange-Barcombe (Sussex)"—same phone number as ex John Brown car sale…)

September 26
“COOPER MARK X, Norton featherbed engine, latest type gearbox. Would exchange motor-cycle. £495 or £425 less engine.-The Mews, Barcombe, Lewes”
( see Aug 8,July 25-was he a dealer??)

October 10
Display ad, including photo of car and covered trailer
“COOPER MK. X SHORT STROKE BEART-NORTON.
New chassis 1958
New Bodywork 1958
New Tyres-Immaculate
Also covered trailer
P. Barak-Whitley Bay Northumberland”

October 31 (repeated November 14)
DON PARKER offers his Mk. X COOPER, complete, ready for racing, fitted very fast D.K [ double knocker] Norton (19 places this year). With or without trailer.-Don Parker SW11 Battersea”


November 7
“COOPER Mark X, Norton dohc engine, good condition. Must sell £485. Will split.
Barcombe (our Sussex friend is getting worried…!. Then….

December 5
“COOPER Mark X, less engine, new tyres good condition. Offers or exchange –Buckland-Barcombe (our Sussex friend reveals his name—wonder if he ever sold it?!)

#8 Sharman

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 10:42

I believe Empire Cars was Ian Raby's outfit.

#9 David McKinney

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 11:58

Yes it was. But wasn't it also - before or after - Car Exchange (Brighton)?

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 14:12

Not sure about Car Exchange David, but looking at some of the names how about ALAN Eccles, PHIL Barak and which John Brown would that have been?

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 14:53

Ian Raby left Car Exchange in the summer of 1957. Empire Cars was established in mid-1958. It ended up on Preston Road, Brighton, but I don't know how early it moved there (certainly by the mid-1960s)

As far as I can make out, the racing side operated as Ian Raby (Racing) and cars sold through the organisation were fitted with a chassis plate marked as such.

Brimotors was Trevor Shaddick. However, I can't allocate any of the Mk XIs to him at that time.

Eccles is Alan Eccles.

One JB Buckland raced 500s 1955-1958 (mainly 1956-57) with a Kieft, but I have no address or any evidence to place him around Lewes. He mainly appeared at the Southern circuits (Brands, the Palace, Goodwood) and in early 1956 appeared under the Car exchange & Sussex Racing team banners (both noms de course for Ian Raby).

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 15:07

Not sure about Car Exchange David, but looking at some of the names how about ALAN Eccles, PHIL Barak and which John Brown would that have been?

Agreed, and John Brown will be 500 racer JD Brown, brother of Bob (RD) Brown, and operating as Peter Brown Autos of Bromley.

Alan Cowley is presumably selling his own Cooper Mk X, but it is some time after his ban (following an incident in April).

Alexander Engineering is Michael Christie himself

Schofield might be LA Schofield, but that doesn't seem right.