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#1201 mfd

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 14:37

Does anyone know when this movie is going to be released? they were finshing fliming the movie at this year's Moncco GP.
I can't wait for the movie. Money is already burning a hole in my pocket for when the DVD comes out :up: :up:

27th June, Ron Howard wrote "Rush far 2 involved to be ready until some time in '13. Eager to share tho :-)"

Location shooting finished before Monaco GP - Howard went there as a tourist

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#1202 mfd

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 16:11

No fact-based arguments against Lauda’s AGV helmet, after all.
Only prejudices, as suspected all along.

I get fed up with comments like this. I spend time constructing valid & un-biased comments in answer to genuine questions. I sometimes ask myself...why
Steve has personal experience of wearing an X1 & if it didn't suit him, he's welcome to comment.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 19:07

No fact-based arguments against Lauda’s AGV helmet, after all.

Only prejudices, as suspected all along.

I don't understand this comment. It is an undisputed fact that Lauda's AGV helmet came off during his Nurburgring accident.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 21:22

The fact the helmet came of doesn't mean that AGV - in this case, or any other maker in other instances - is at fault as it has been depicted all along this thread.

There is no base to say that AGV was at fault in that accident in what we know. Nobody here has produced anything proving this is the case.

If that was the case, I would bet that Lauda would have sued AGV long, long time ago.

There has been in this thread a built-up of a story that since the helmet went off hence AGV must be at fault.

Really?? Has any of you ever experienced going off at more than 200km/h, in the heat of the battle of the top racing level to have so much zeal to put themselves on the higher moral ground and pointing fingers to this or that component? Does anybody knows, for certain, how for example Lauda was wearing the helmet that day? I don't know: did he fix all right?

There are so many components at play in those instances that the certainty I have seen here sometimes accusing the helmet maker bordered in fundamentalism [or more down to earth bullyism towards other posters] and nobody is supposed to reply and dissent.

Hell, I know "Niki" personally! He told me as such! Well, give him news then: he was racing, he wasn't having a stroll in the park.

do you also know how many L's there are in bollocks?

#1205 kayemod

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 21:55

There isn't a single L in 'denying the facts', or 'trying to re-write history'. Give our regards to Nikolaus next time you see him.

#1206 arttidesco

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 22:13

Forgive me for seeing this whole argument in a different light but I believe that this whole dialogue about the AGV came about because in the film stills we have seen so far there has been no evidence of an AGV X1 of the type which we know Niki was wearing at the 'ring in 1976.

It has been suggested that Bell who's helmets feature prominently in the film stills 'might' take exception to the misrepresentation of one of their helmets being worn by Niki 'in the film at the time of the accident', given that in real life Niki's helmet came off during the accident at the 'ring in '76.

That is not quite the same thing as saying that Niki's helmet 'was at fault' when the accident occurred just an observation of an apparent inaccuracy in the film.

Given Niki Lauda's experience I don't think it unreasonable to have expected the film production to get a representation of the helmet right as it was materially important just as it was that all the runners in 1976 used Goodyear tyres and not Engleberts for example.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 23:38

Forgive me for seeing this whole argument in a different light but I believe that this whole dialogue about the AGV came about because in the film stills we have seen so far there has been no evidence of an AGV X1 of the type which we know Niki was wearing at the 'ring in 1976.


Indeed Arti has this point quite correct. Helmet appears different in the film to the one used in reality. So we deviate slightly & discuss the reality as we don't know how the accident will be explained, if at all in Rush. If you've seen the YT clip of the film recreation, you can clearly see the actor/stuntman is without his helmet amidst the flames so certainly there will be an element of truth, even if it isn't specifically explained or why this happened.

As I've pointed out before, for those following the thread I did explain why the AGV helmet came off & how it was subsequently modified by Lauda's return in Italy. The relocation of the straps and fixing rivets about 25mm further back. This is easily verified by looking at photos from the 'ring or before & from Italy & beyond. Given the opportunity to ask Niki Lauda, the question would be "do you remember how they modified the helmet after the accident?"

I worked with the AGV importers in the UK at the time & had access to the products. The situation was serious because it extended to another helmet in their range for bikers & being far more commonly used, this created a serious problem. It was the subject of investigation because people died in motorcycle accidents & as they were found post accident without helmet but straps still fastened, coroners demanded answers. The process where the helmet came off with straps still fastened became known as "revolving" What happened is difficult to describe but easy to demonstrate but unfortunately although I do have an AGV X1 helmet, it needs someone to take photos of a stage by stage removal to demonstrate it properly. Anyway I'll try words, I hope the effort is worth it!

Frontal impact pushes helmet & compresses soft comfort foam in cheek & particularly the forehead area, coupled with levering downwards in the area of the chinbar. This opens up a void behind the back of the skull and neck. So the pushing down at the front has the opposite lever effect at the back. It rises up & with sufficient force from the front the revolution would be completed.

For bikers, the situation became worrying and as the situation was highlighted in specialist press/media it became part of the selling process (yes I also worked occasionally for a dealer) to establish that the helmet wouldn't come off by using a simple static test in the shop before they made their choice There were also helmets out there (already purchased) prior to a better understanding of the fault. So we regularly did this test for existing customers...

The helmet solution (for the bike helmet) was to place firmer, denser foam in the area corressponding to the nape of the neck and also move the rivet position for the straps further back. So although I cannot personally confirm the Lauda helmet came off with straps intact because I wasn't there, they definately changed the rivets position & thus the anchor for the straps - my photos prove it.

I'm just doing my best to share my knowledge of the circumstance - I'm not biased against the AGV, I'm not being nationalistic, nor do I aim to bully someone who has a right to an opinion.




#1208 Tony Matthews

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:43

I was under the impression that Tom Pryce lost not only his helmet but his head too, having been hit full in the face by the fire extinguisher. Is it not true that Jaques Lafitte pulled into the pits in great distress, saying "I've just been overtaken by a headless driver!" ?

I tend not to dwell on these incidents, I'm relying on what I heard at the time, and it could all be wrong.

#1209 Catalina Park

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:52

Tom lost his helmet and his life but not his head, it was still attached to his body. I have seen photos of him in the car when it came to rest.

#1210 Tony Matthews

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 08:58

Thanks, good to get rid of these urban myths!

#1211 f1steveuk

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:25

This may be the last time I post on this, I'm getting a severe attack of de ja vu!

I think the photos prove Nike was wearing a AGV X1 in Germany in 1976!

Merzario found the helmet lying in Niki's lap after the accident.

Merzario also picked up the helmet after the ambulance had left the scene, and showed at least three other drivers that the strap was still done up.

There was no catch fencing at that particular spot to remove the helmet.

It was retained in the cockpit by the medical air pipe.

It was a single shell size, and the use of over thick padding was proven to have contributed to it coming off.

Indeed, one of the tests you were told to do when buying a helmet was to put it on, do it up, tip your head forward, and try and pull the helmet off by grabbing the back by the nape of the neck, exactly what happened to Niki's, as Mike has pointed out.

My observations of the padding was that if it was moving around, even though the helmet felt way too tight, there was something amiss with the way it fitted.

It is a known fact the strap was originally located too far forward.

So in summary, quite a lot of facts.

A final point, in all my time working for Bernie, and attending Grand Prix, I came into contact with Niki a lot, and interviewed him on many subjects, including his accident. He didn't sue as he was being paid an enormous sum by AGV, the fact he saw the season out with a helmet he knew had contributed to his injuries says a lot, but believe me, he knew, and as I have quoted, he has said to me, "if I had been wearing a Bell, I wouldn't look like this". No conjecture, no guess work, and I stand by my opinion that it is a crucial part of the story, because IF Niki had been wearing a Bell, would he have even gone to hospital, and if he hadn't would the season have gone down to the wire, etc etc etc :wave:

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:15

This may be the last time I post on this, I'm getting a severe attack of de ja vu!

:wave:



Steve - i think you have summed it up . I don't think i'll be back on this one either.

Cheers

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#1213 arttidesco

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 13:08

Harald Ertl in this article he wrote after the accident: http://www.ausringer...auda-pt2-08.jpg

says:

slid off the track at the right side, struck the barrier fencing and was pushed back on the track after hitting the bank.



"went through both rows of catch fencing"

#1214 mfd

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 13:39

Steve - i think you have summed it up . I don't think i'll be back on this one either.
Cheers Peter


Indeed, rather than telling others, I'll just Foxtrot Oscar myself

#1215 f1steveuk

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 14:27


Thanks. Please don't come back if it is too painful or tiresome for yourselves.

No, not painful, just bored with what has appeared in the thread time and time again, it really doesn't take that long to read through.

I think you'll find "barrier fencing" was just Harald's way of describing the barrier, there was no catch fencing at that point, as there was no run off either, but there was a rocky outcrop just behind the Armco. Again, as Niki pointed out, in an interview, at what he described as the "bar b que!"; "this is exactly like it was when it happened, a foot of grass and the barrier, and rocks behind!"





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Posted 07 July 2012 - 07:52

This may be the last time I post on this, I'm getting a severe attack of de ja vu!

I think the photos prove Nike was wearing a AGV X1 in Germany in 1976!

Merzario found the helmet lying in Niki's lap after the accident.

Merzario also picked up the helmet after the ambulance had left the scene, and showed at least three other drivers that the strap was still done up.

There was no catch fencing at that particular spot to remove the helmet.

It was retained in the cockpit by the medical air pipe.

It was a single shell size, and the use of over thick padding was proven to have contributed to it coming off.

Indeed, one of the tests you were told to do when buying a helmet was to put it on, do it up, tip your head forward, and try and pull the helmet off by grabbing the back by the nape of the neck, exactly what happened to Niki's, as Mike has pointed out.

My observations of the padding was that if it was moving around, even though the helmet felt way too tight, there was something amiss with the way it fitted.

It is a known fact the strap was originally located too far forward.

So in summary, quite a lot of facts.

A final point, in all my time working for Bernie, and attending Grand Prix, I came into contact with Niki a lot, and interviewed him on many subjects, including his accident. He didn't sue as he was being paid an enormous sum by AGV, the fact he saw the season out with a helmet he knew had contributed to his injuries says a lot, but believe me, he knew, and as I have quoted, he has said to me, "if I had been wearing a Bell, I wouldn't look like this". No conjecture, no guess work, and I stand by my opinion that it is a crucial part of the story, because IF Niki had been wearing a Bell, would he have even gone to hospital, and if he hadn't would the season have gone down to the wire, etc etc etc :wave:


Great summation Steve...however, Yellow Card for blatent pruduct endorsement here:

I think the photos prove Nike was wearing a AGV X1 in Germany in 1976!

I would also like to thank ALL other contributors to this fascinating little debate sparked (in part) by my off-hand comment re Bell and litigation....sometimes it can be very interesting to wander off-topic! Cheers, Mick

#1217 Wirra

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 09:06

It is quite possible the helmet Mr Lauda was wearing saved his life.

In the1970s I was part of a research team which investigated the deaths of 120 motorcyclists. We compared specially prepared autopsy data with detailed inspection of the damage sustained by the helmet each rider was wearing. A significant number were killed not from the initial impact but due to objects they struck once ejected from their motorcycle and a common cause of death was a fracture to the base of the skull. In essence the rider’s torso came to a sudden stop but momentum kept their head moving resulting in hypeflexion of neck and subsequently the skull, with the helmet attached, being literally torn off the spine.

Parallel to our research there was some discussion about an increasing number of power boat drivers/passengers sustaining similar injuries since the introduction of full-face helmets. It was hypothised they entered the water feet first and water rushing into the helmet was causing spinal injuries. There was some talk of research on cadavers to establish a force at which chin straps should in fact fail thus reducing the incidence of such injuries. I am unaware if that research was undertaken.

I recall at that time many drivers being aware of this and it became popular to wear an expanded collar which would act as an impact attenuator. There was also a body of opinion which believed the lower edge of a full-face helmet would interact with the breast bone or a clavicle to prevent hyperflexion and the collar device was unnecessary. Our research frequently showed a fracture to the clavicle consistent with the impact zone of a rotating helmet.

I think everyone is now aware of this – particularly highlighted by footage of Roland Ratzenberger’s fatal crash – and the use of HANS and halo-style head restrains are proving beneficial in this area.

In Mr Lauda’s case this is purely conjecture however I believe there is an argument that he is alive today because his helmet fortuitously became dislodged.


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Posted 10 July 2012 - 19:44

Here's a bit of an interview with Ron Howard that I do not think was posted here before. The narration is in Finnish, though!

*edit* Ah, and this as well!

Edited by Elwing, 10 July 2012 - 19:58.


#1219 mfd

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 22:39

Can’t help but notice that Fittipaldi still wore an X1 as late as 1978 [that is an F5A where he's sitting in].

I think you'll find that's an error, it bothered me when I saw the website, so I checked & it's really Long Beach 1977 - same as the Lauda photos

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 23:38

I thought it was an F5A - the one redesigned by the Fly Studio of Caliri and Marmiroli - before I read the caption, thinking to recognize the air scoop. Now I think it may well be the FD-04 of the year before. Shame I don't have my references of the time here with me in the UK.

EDIT: The fact is that the pictures are mixed in years and that leaves me with some doubt. Lauda is obviously 1977, as the year after he was in Brabham. However, Villeneuve is without question 1978, as well as Reutemann who is definitely not talking to Forghieri but to Sante Ghedini. The Lotus in front of Chapman is a 78, that is 1977.


I have to admit, I don't know one Fittipaldi from another & sometimes even the photo archives have a few errors, but this I'm sure of
http://www.google.co...,r:6,s:18,i:148

#1221 mfd

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 01:11

That is an FD-04, 1977.

& looks the same as your link photo??

#1222 MonzaDriver

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 16:18

Ciao to all.

Dear SteveF1UK,
your contribution to this topic it's terrific, just because of this,
I would like to precise that there was 2 lines of catch fencing before the rocks where Lauda's Ferrari strucks.
I remenber a picture with the catch fencing replaced and the posts of the old ones on the ground.
I dont know if this was taken before the re-start or after.
I remember so well after all this years, because I learnt from this pictires that Lauda struck the rocks of the mountain.
And this impressed me a lot.

Dear SteveF1UK, this is not a critic, it's becasue this topic it's so precise and beautiful.

Ciao.
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#1223 f1steveuk

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 16:50

Hi Monza Driver, no prob's.

I have been desperately looking for a picture of that part of the circuit at that time. The one Niki showed me had no catch fencing, only a debris fence to stop anything flying over the ARMCO. Niki actually sat on the ARMCO at the scene to do an interview with the British TV crew, which I was present for (2000 I think) and the lower section of ARMCO, actually touched part of the rock there, there certainly wasn't much space between the barrier and the rock outcrop. In was in this interview Niki referred to the area as the "bar b que area", and when he said (and I paraphrase) "there was no catch fencing, well, there's no run off, so no room, but there was a debris fence behind. Maybe catch fencing would have stopped me going back out into the track, and being hit, but maybe it would trap me in the car, like some others".

Now I am the first to admit, Niki may be remembering incorrectly, he has little recollection of the accident, and it is possible that like so many other circuits, the fencing may have been taken down and stored behind the barriers, but the evidence suggests, along with the lack of run off area to put any fencing, that there was none at that point. I shall continue to look for the picture!!

#1224 arttidesco

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 21:38

I shall continue to look for the picture!!

Unfortunately my contemporary copies of Rallye Racing got lost to my study walls at school, but the third picture down on this link indicate the area where Niki crashed had catch fencing on the outside of the corner like few others at the Nurburgring in 1976.

Edit just noticed on the second photo in the same link you can see no evidence of any armco on the outside of the corner but the two layers of "Fangzäune" which Harald Ertl referred to in this article !

Edited by arttidesco, 11 July 2012 - 21:42.


#1225 Lutz G

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 00:32

Edit just noticed on the second photo in the same link you can see no evidence of any armco on the outside of the corner but the two layers of "Fangzäune" which Harald Ertl referred to in this article !


From 1:31 on you can see IMO the "Fangzäune"



#1226 Radoye

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 05:41

I'm sure most of you guys already noticed, but just in case - the top photo is actually mirrored.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 07:57

I'm sure most of you guys already noticed, but just in case - the top photo is actually mirrored.


I noticed it in September '76 when I received my copy of Rallye Racing through the post  ;)

#1228 f1steveuk

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 08:32

So the inference is, that Niki actually hit the rock directly through catch fencing? Like I said, not how he recalled it, and even then he said it was how he was "told it had happened".

Whatever way it DID happen, I find it very odd that if the there was fencing at that point, it would have still been within feet of the rock outcrop, and would not have been able to do it's job, that is to say, any car would have taken many more feet to be "arrested" from forward motion, and as such Niki's car wouldn't have been able to go far enough into any fencing for it to pull is helmet off. The picture Niki showed me was given to him afterwards, but a track official, and was supposed to have been the impact point, before the race meeting started, all very odd!!

#1229 MonzaDriver

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 10:04

So the inference is, that Niki actually hit the rock directly through catch fencing? Like I said, not how he recalled it, and even then he said it was how he was "told it had happened".


Yes F1Steveuk,
probably it is like that, Niki's Ferrari stroke the rocks through catch fencing. Very easily if you look at the pictures.
I dont remeber so well that picture to be sure there was no ARMCO
Obviously in this case, it was a huge mistake by the circuit to dont put right on that place an ARMCO.
But you know it was 1976......... not today's standard.

It would be very cool, if in this forum we put together more knowledge about the shunt than Niki Lauda's himself.

Ciao
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#1230 Tim Murray

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 10:51

Here's how Pete Lyons described the scene in his Autosport report:

The most northerly corner on the ‘Ring is Bergwerk, a tight right-hander around a blind bank with a house on the outside. Approaching this is a downhill bit of road, which kinks slightly to the left. This kink can’t really be considered a corner, and in normal conditions a driver wouldn’t have a problem there. But somehow the Ferrari went off on the outside of it. From reports there was no guardrail at that point, but a double row of catch fencing. The car burst through them and rode up against the earthen embankment beyond, then it careered back through the double fencing again and slid to a stop in the middle of the track.

There was fire, according to witnesses, from the time it was through the fences against the bank, and as it went back down it trailed a river of burning petrol across the road. One rubber fuel cell was torn loose from the monocoque and went some distance along the road on its own.

He was certainly under the impression that there was catch fencing, but no Armco, on the outside of the bend.

Edited by Tim Murray, 12 July 2012 - 10:52.


#1231 f1steveuk

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 10:55

Different interview (he must be fed up with going back there now!) but this has some interesting bits,

http://jalopnik.com/...history-edition

especially at 01:14 in, where you can see the proximity from track edge to rocks. It's difficult to see in the earlier shot around the impact point if there is catch fencing, but on a grass verge that width, it's hard to see if you could have two layers of fencing, and what good it could do?

! don't put too much on the voice over though! According to two published sources, the fencing at that spot was a single layer of debris fencing only, indeed, checking out the stills and video footage, there does appear to be a single layer of debris fencing along the whole area, behind the ARMCO, assuming the voice over is right, and Niki is remembering details from later visits, then maybe there was no ARMCO because of the rocks, and a single layer of debris fencing?

Edited by f1steveuk, 12 July 2012 - 11:15.


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Posted 12 July 2012 - 12:04

Thank You arttidesco & mfd for your replys , I guess I heard wrong about them finshing filming that weekend, maybe I was too busy dreaming of another Webber victory. I will be patient & wait.
Mouserat159

27th June, Ron Howard wrote "Rush far 2 involved to be ready until some time in '13. Eager to share tho :-)"

Location shooting finished before Monaco GP - Howard went there as a tourist



#1233 Radoye

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 15:01

I noticed it in September '76 when I received my copy of Rallye Racing through the post ;)

:up:

#1234 Michael Ferner

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 17:35

I'm with Steve and Niki here, there is no "catchfencing" at that place and there has never been. You have to remember, and you can very clearly see it when reading the article, that Ertl was one of the Ring admirers who wouldn't say anything "bad" about that place, but to call these debris fences "catchfences" is euphemistic to the extreme! They wouldn't have "caught" a can of beer rolling down the embankment...

#1235 arttidesco

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:24

I'm with Steve and Niki here, there is no "catchfencing" at that place and there has never been. You have to remember, and you can very clearly see it when reading the article, that Ertl was one of the Ring admirers who wouldn't say anything "bad" about that place, but to call these debris fences "catchfences" is euphemistic to the extreme! They wouldn't have "caught" a can of beer rolling down the embankment...


Micheal have you seen the photographs published at the time in Rallye Racing linked above ?

There does not appear to have been any armco on the outside of the corner.


#1236 Michael Ferner

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 18:58

Yes, I have the magazine, but I didn't talk about ARMCO.  ;)

#1237 Lutz G

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 09:39

I'm with Steve and Niki here, there is no "catchfencing" at that place and there has never been. You have to remember, and you can very clearly see it when reading the article, that Ertl was one of the Ring admirers who wouldn't say anything "bad" about that place, but to call these debris fences "catchfences" is euphemistic to the extreme! They wouldn't have "caught" a can of beer rolling down the embankment...


In this clip posted already in the thread you see two rows of catchfences (time 2:00):


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Does anybody know about quality of the fences (well embedded?) - was it really so bad like Michael posted above?


Micheal have you seen the photographs published at the time in Rallye Racing linked above ?
There does not appear to have been any armco on the outside of the corner.


A shot from another part of the track:

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So no guard rail like above behind the fences at the part of the track where Lauda crashed?



BTW: A few weeks before Lauda's crash a super vau pilot died at another part of the ring - his car caught fire, he managed to get out of the wreck but sort of stuck in the catchfence

Edited by Lutz G, 15 July 2012 - 09:57.


#1238 f1steveuk

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 15:03

Are you 100% certain those stills are of the right bend?

#1239 David McKinney

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 16:05

I read it that the second still is used for comparative purposes only

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#1240 LittleChris

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 20:49

I would say that from 1:30 to 2:11 this film shows the run-up from Ex-Mühle to Bergwerk. Between 2:04 - 2:08 the fences where the accident took place can be seen, in the left bottom corner of the screen.



I agree, from 0mins 30secs unitl 1 min 29 secs, we see the cars from the exit of Bergwerk heading up towards Kesselchen ( including at 1 min 21 sec what looks like a flag marshall taking a stroll onto the track at the top of the screen ! ), then the action shifts to the section between Ex-Muhle & Bergwerk the position of the cameraman initially being pretty much that from which the Lauda footage was shot and the proximity of the fences ( catch or otherwise ) to the hillside being clear. From 1 min 36 the camera position moves slightly nearer to the kink so we get a much better view of the undulating run from Ex Muhle. At 1 min 41, as the Porsche puts a wheel on the grass whilst lining up for the kink, you can see behind that the armco stops prior to the little hump over which the car has just come. At 2 mins 03 a new section of fencing begins, but without armco behind, just after the turn in point for the kink. At 2 mins 09, we see a car at the apex of the kink and on the exit, where Lauda had his impact, all that can be seen is what looks like a single row of fencing but with no armco behind. At 2.12 the action moves to the entry to Brunnchen and at 2 min 15 we see the drop from Eschbach to Brunnchen depicted in the 2nd still posted by Lutz G with the catch fences in the foreground.

#1241 Lutz G

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 23:16

I read it that the second still is used for comparative purposes only


Exactly.

BTW: Here's a photo from 1972 (?) - with no catchfences to the right - very little space there...

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Edited by Lutz G, 15 July 2012 - 23:16.


#1242 f1steveuk

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:22

Exactly.

BTW: Here's a photo from 1972 (?) - with no catchfences to the right - very little space there...

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Good grief, that is exactly how Niki described it, perfect!

#1243 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:14

That is one from a series of photos taken by TNF-member Bill Wagenblatt in 1972. Obviously they later put a double row of catch fences there (Fangzäune in German), of the type common at that time. These were never going to help much, and perhaps at that spot were primarily intended to keep stones falling from the embankment from rolling onto the track.

At other spots where there was more space, these catch fences often had three or four rows, and the rows would be a little further apart. But this was a primitive system with several obvious shortcomings.

#1244 Lutz G

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 21:53

@Rob

Ok - thx

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 17:37

Film will be released in September 2013.....

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#1246 Formula Once

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:24

...they later put a double row of catch fences there (Fangzäune in German), of the type common at that time. These were never going to help much, and perhaps at that spot were primarily intended to keep stones falling from the embankment from rolling onto the track.


In fact, Lauda at the time said that he had lost his helmet prior to the fire because one of the catch fencing poles knocked it off as he left the track. (Consequently, the balaclava was burned into his head; peeling out the pieces that remained stuck in the skin afterwards, was a very painful process).

Edited by Formula Once, 15 August 2012 - 12:25.


#1247 Phil Rainford

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:21

Website now up and running.....

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Edited by Phil Rainford, 17 August 2012 - 11:21.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 13:18

Website now up and running.....

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 13:57

Website now up and running.....

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Good grief Bruhl really captures Lauda in those pictures, quite uncanny.

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#1250 Tim Murray

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 22:52

It appears the Daily Mail can't tell the difference between a McLaren and a Ferrari:

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