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#1801 Barry Boor

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 20:11

Well, Mike Lawrence reckons it would be Rhys Ifans!



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#1802 275 GTB-4

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 08:50

Nit picking here, but...

"Whole lotta love" is taken from Led Zeppelin 2, released in October 1969, seven years too early.

If they had wanted to be spot on, then they should have chosen a track from "Physical Grafitti", released in 1975. The anthemic "Kashmir" would have fit the bill perfectly.

Edward

 

Yes...as they are still playing Zep after al these years!



#1803 275 GTB-4

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 08:52

Well, after watching the filum twice, it certainly wasn't a huge advert for Bell...maybe the TNF discussion effected the outcome?

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 10:46

I am surprised no one has commented about the headless driver scene, sure the helmet rolling along on its own was cut but it still clearly shows a headless bloodied corpse strapped into the car.

 

 

I honestly didn't realise that's what it was. I just saw a bloodstained cockpit. The close-up of the compound lower leg fracture and the lung vacuum aspiration scene made me shudder more.

 

I really enjoyed the film. Although I know it over-dramatised the rivalry between Hunt and Lauda, but it managed to capture some of the visceral thrill of old-school motorsport in a way that other films have not. Daniel Bruhl also put in a superb performance.



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 13:35

I am surprised no one has commented about the headless driver scene, sure the helmet rolling along on its own was cut but it still clearly shows a headless bloodied corpse strapped into the car.

 

 

I honestly didn't realise that's what it was. I just saw a bloodstained cockpit. The close-up of the compound lower leg fracture and the lung vacuum aspiration scene made me shudder more.

 

I really enjoyed the film. Although I know it over-dramatised the rivalry between Hunt and Lauda, but it managed to capture some of the visceral thrill of old-school motorsport in a way that other films have not. Daniel Bruhl also put in a superb performance.

 Bruhl was superb, so much so that it took me a while to realise it was actually Lauda talking at the end credits, which put a lump in my throat



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 16:24

 Bruhl was superb, so much so that it took me a while to realise it was actually Lauda talking at the end credits, which put a lump in my throat

I'm pretty sure it was Brühl doing the voiceover at the end, not Lauda.



#1807 LotusElise

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 17:21

I think it was Daniel Bruhl using a slightly different tone of voice, as the older Niki looking back on that period of his life.

 

That line at the end describing how he felt about Hunt's death almost moved me to tears. It was very simple, but very moving.



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 20:51

I'm pretty sure it was Brühl doing the voiceover at the end, not Lauda.

It was Brühl, surely. Just got back, it's an awesome movie which has been pictured very well!



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 21:14

My wife and I saw the film on Sunday (she is not interested in Motorsport at all) and both really enjoyed it. Mind you I think she could have given them some curry in her Corolla during some of those painfully SLOW "racing" scenes....... I must say I still have a soft spot for the racing sequences from "Grand Prix".



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 08:51

 Bruhl was superb, so much so that it took me a while to realise it was actually Lauda talking at the end credits, which put a lump in my throat

 

Unless I'm very much mistaken, they showed film of Nicki talking? and I thought it truly was Niki reflecting on the past   :confused:



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:11

As a family of 5 we saw the film in Bishops Strortford last Saturday

We were all thorougly entertained.

Well done Ron Howard !



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:02

The movie is a lot of reviews and I also have some reservations. Although I liked and I saw him 2x. I think it was good. Many comments and dialogues seemed authentic to me, as I remember them from that time. Spectacular theater not only for fans. Too bad there goes a few viewers.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 15:39

Just came back from the movie - I was totally absorbed, so must have liked it.

 

Yes, redesigning the BRM (and what happened to the 721X?) over the night was a little stupid - but as a way of showing his determination to work it worked.

 

 

I really came to like Niki - and, eventually James too.

 

 

Go see it if you haven´t.

 

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:07

Unless I'm very much mistaken, they showed film of Nicki talking? and I thought it truly was Niki reflecting on the past   :confused:

 

It's interesting how the final voiceover is confusing audiences - Some think it's Lauda talking, some think it's Bruhl.   However, you do NOT see the "real Lauda" talking when is face is shown on-screen at the end.  He just stares ahead, unspeaking.

 

The timbre and the intonation of the voice sounded a lot more like Bruhl to me.  I think it's Bruhl reading words that Lauda said or wrote, with Lauda's (non-speaking) face being shown on-screen at the same time.  For whatever reason, they had Bruhl read the lines, but showed Lauda's face to clue in the audience that they were his actual sentiments.

 

It seems to be a common technique, in documentaries on historical figures, to have their words read alound by voice-over actors while their image is being shown.


Edited by Emery0323, 11 October 2013 - 06:17.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:14

I am surprised no one has commented about the headless driver scene, sure the helmet rolling along on its own was cut but it still clearly shows a headless bloodied corpse strapped into the car.

 

 

I honestly didn't realise that's what it was. I just saw a bloodstained cockpit. The close-up of the compound lower leg fracture and the lung vacuum aspiration scene made me shudder more.

 

 

That "Cevert" accident on-screen really was a composite of the Koinigg and Cevert incidents.  The car was pointed like Cevert's Tyrrell, but the circumstances depict Koinigg's.

 

The practice accident at the Nurburgring with the compound fracture - That was totally fictional wasn't it?  Did anybody have such an accident in practice for the '76 German GP?



#1816 Tim Murray

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:43

The practice accident at the Nurburgring with the compound fracture - That was totally fictional wasn't it?  Did anybody have such an accident in practice for the '76 German GP?

 

Definitely not. Vittorio Brambilla had two major crashes, but emerged unscathed from both of them. There are no other incidents mentioned in the Autosport report.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:27

I've mentioned that I have a sneaking suspicion that was a dig at Loris Kessel.  The car, from the very brief shots of it, seemed to be painted up like a RAM Brabham, and of course Kessel had the RAMs impounded at Germany that year, allowing Stommelen to step into a third works Brabham and nick a point.



#1818 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:28

I've not yet seen the film but on reading the posts just above re a practice accident at the Ring involving a major limb break, the first thing jumped into my mind was Mike Hailwood's big shunt in the Yardley Mac.  Followed a moment later by Howden Ganley's major off with the Maki.  Filmdom exercising some artistic licence?



#1819 David Birchall

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 05:34

I just got home from seeing the movie here in Vancouver.  I enjoyed it-my wife seemed to enjoy it...

It was slow at the beginning and we both thought it might not come up to snuff but it did once the racing scenes really got going.  It was interesting trying to id everybody in the drivers meetings esp.  I am sure I saw "Chapman" at one stage.  The portrayal of Hunt and Lauda by the two actors was very good although I had rather hoped they would use the legendary scene when  Hunt walked down the stairs into a quite upscale reception, wearing T shirt, torn jeans and no shoes and reportedly let out a stentorian fart and then introduced himself to the stunned gathering. Hunt was a rougher character than is portrayed in the movie apparently. The portrayal of Lauda's injuries was certainly realistic-had me squirming in my seat.   I would recommend the movie.



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#1820 Peter Morley

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 07:53

That "Cevert" accident on-screen really was a composite of the Koinigg and Cevert incidents.  The car was pointed like Cevert's Tyrrell, but the circumstances depict Koinigg's.

 

The practice accident at the Nurburgring with the compound fracture - That was totally fictional wasn't it?  Did anybody have such an accident in practice for the '76 German GP?

 

Given the F1 cars were in the pit lane at the time I assumed the accident was meant to be in one of the support races, either an F2 or F3 car?



#1821 LotusElise

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 17:42

IMDB says it was meant to be Koinigg.



#1822 Glengavel

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 19:13

IMDB says it was meant to be Koinigg.

 

Bear in mind the IMDB is even worse than Wikipedia as a 'resource'!



#1823 LotusElise

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 22:51

True, but in the absence of other sources, it's a good place to start.

 

What Peter Morley says is also true - I assumed when I was watching that it was meant to be a driver from a support race.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 01:46

It's interesting how the final voiceover is confusing audiences - Some think it's Lauda talking, some think it's Bruhl.   However, you do NOT see the "real Lauda" talking when is face is shown on-screen at the end.  He just stares ahead, unspeaking.

 

The timbre and the intonation of the voice sounded a lot more like Bruhl to me.  I think it's Bruhl reading words that Lauda said or wrote, with Lauda's (non-speaking) face being shown on-screen at the same time.  For whatever reason, they had Bruhl read the lines, but showed Lauda's face to clue in the audience that they were his actual sentiments.

 

It seems to be a common technique, in documentaries on historical figures, to have their words read alound by voice-over actors while their image is being shown.

 

Ahhh-huh...Film and TV 101...so you don't know for sure either....isn't there some young kid here who could tweet either Ron or Niki for confirmation? :wave:



#1825 Elwing

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 07:55

I'm pretty sure it was Brühl.

Finally got to see it, and as mentioned, there are a few silly things early on, like the Hesketh boys coming up with a surprise F1 car or a rookie Lauda redesigning a BRM overnight. But I left the cinema with a big shit eating grin that wouldn't go away, and any movie that does that can't be bad.

I forgot to wear my contact lenses, so I have a good excuse to go see it again!

On the plus side, I really got to appreciate the sound design and the music. If not for anything else, I hope the academy gives them a nod for the impressive soundscape of roaring engines and ominous music that was created here.

In Belgium, by the way, this movie got a "12" rating! Only 5 people showed up for the early morning screening, and two were in their early teens. They didn't seem shocked, and neither was I. The sex scenes were stylized and not in any way graphic, the hospital scenes were not as graphic as I expected from the reviews.

I was shocked about how bad the subtitles were. There were double subtitles in both French and Dutch, and I would assume that a lot of dialogue was left out or simplified because of lack of space. I'm sorry for those who have to view this without being somewhat fluent in the English language. I was tempted to yell "But that's not what he said!" a few times.

I appreciated Pierfrancesco Favino's take on Regazzoni. Always one of my favourite drivers, and I thought they painted him as the decent guy he was.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 15:44

I subscribe to a free web service called ShowFilmF1rst, which organises free cinema previews of upcoming films in the UK, although you have to be pretty quick after they e-mail you as the tickets are soon gone. I missed out on the preview events for "Rush" , so we paid to see it  a week later, and took out a payday loan for popcorn and diet coke. This week ShowFilmF1rst, bless 'em, came up with preview tickets for the new Tom Hanks film "Captain Phillips". It was absolutely superb, and directed by the Brit Paul Greengrass, who is probably the best action Director on the planet. Greengrass was originally slated as the Director for "Rush", but stepped off the project to direct this. It makes me wonder what sort of ride we would have had - no Olivia Wilde probably, but 123 minutes of hand-held cameras and track action. JohnP :)



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 18:34

I finally saw the movie last week. I enjoyed it. Of course my friends wanted to compare it to Grand Prix despite the "different eras" issue. I found them equal in many respects.

I think Grand Prix was more of a love letter to the sport. The camera lingered on the details so the viewer could savour the experience. In RUSH the rapid-fire editing didn't allow one to take it all in before it was gone. The back story was somewhat similar - intra-team rivalries, sex, mean team management, crash aftermaths, and the like.

 

All in all I thought it was great that F1 made it to the big screen once again. Even my wife enjoyed it - although she covered her eyes during the hospital scenes.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 05:36

 Bruhl was superb, so much so that it took me a while to realise it was actually Lauda talking at the end credits, which put a lump in my throat

 

From executive producer, Todd Hallowell:

 

"...That was Daniel Bruhl's voiceover, although he sounded very convincing..."

 

Vince H.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:14

I saw the film last weekend and I enjoyed a lot

If the DVD is released for Christmas I´ll get one for me 

By the way , in the first Hunt vs Lauda racing scene both racing F3, Hunt is driving a GREEN Lotus 59

I have this miniature (thanks to Axel-R kits ) and the car is RED!!!!

Here is the f3 race that inspired Ron Howard....DON´T MISS IT FUNNY AND THRILLING!!!!!!

http://jalopnik.com/...-racing-history


Edited by colinsays, 14 October 2013 - 08:24.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:38

Saw RUSH last week it was great and the wife thought so to,the role of Lauda was well done byDaniel Bruhl's.i picked a couple of mistakes however it was great .



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 15:57

Meanwhile, Mr. Lauda continues to enjoy his renewed popularity. :lol:

 

 

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Edited by Elwing, 15 October 2013 - 15:20.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 21:22

That "Cevert" accident on-screen really was a composite of the Koinigg and Cevert incidents.  The car was pointed like Cevert's Tyrrell, but the circumstances depict Koinigg's.

 

The practice accident at the Nurburgring with the compound fracture - That was totally fictional wasn't it?  Did anybody have such an accident in practice for the '76 German GP?

 

I´d seen the film today and I liked it.

But one should´t expect it to be a documentation, its a movie based on a true story. There are some inaccuracies and simplifications to bring the storyline into a two hour movie.

The US-GP accident was a mixture of the Cevert and Koinigg accident and should demonstrate the audience the cruelty of racing accidents the drivers had to face in that era.

Same for the Nuerburgring accident, it may have been a mixture of the Hailwood and Ashley crashes there, both of them sustained broken legs. It should underline Laudas request in canceling the race because of the lack of track safety.



#1833 LotusElise

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 21:24

I watched it again today. There IS a mangled body in the crashed car at the Glen. The set-up looks like Francois Cevert's crash, but the car was the right way up and the unfortunate driver had white overalls on, not blue.

 

I think I spotted Freddie Hunt's extra appearance as well - he is possibly one of the guests at the table next to the Hesketh team at the awards ceremony.



#1834 David Birchall

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 22:00

An interview with Lauda from a few days ago-sorry if this has been posted before:

http://www.nytimes.c...gewanted=1&_r=0


Edited by David Birchall, 14 October 2013 - 22:01.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 23:19

Thanks Vince - that's put that one to bed!    ;)



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 23:58

I notice that someone referred to the film Capt Phillips

Now that is Hollywood screwing around with facts to make an all American hero which was patently not the case.

At least they use a real story line to make a film that entertained and educated the majority of people who watch Rush.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 08:00

Sean Edwards, who portrayed his father Guy Edwards in the movie Rush was killed today in a fiery crash at

Queensland Raceway at Willowbank. He was 26. :|



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 08:53

Sadly I spent the entire movie playing 'spot the circuit' and more over 'spot the corner' :blush:  And even 'spot the TNF'r ' :cool:  Even worse was 'spot the retro made over Mini' Hunt was buzzing around in, which I presume was changed from the A35 to 'sex up' his character and keep all thoughts of Wallace and Grommet at bay.

 

Yes some of the sections were pretty silly but without exaggeration Hollywood probably wouldn't work would it. I enjoyed it and more importantly so did my son.

 

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 09:00

I notice that someone referred to the film Capt Phillips

Now that is Hollywood screwing around with facts to make an all American hero which was patently not the case.

At least they use a real story line to make a film that entertained and educated the majority of people who watch Rush.

 

The "someone" is myself, John Pritchard. I can't say if the events were true or "patently" not in "Captain Phillips" as I wasn't on the Maersk Alabama when they occurred. I was around the Grand Prix scene in 1976 however, and attended the races at Brands and Monza. I thought "Rush" was a really good film, but if a thread was started here 'Rush - the inaccuracies' you might get to 1840 posts. JohnP :cool:



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#1840 mfd

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 09:27

I notice that someone referred to the film Capt Phillips

Now that is Hollywood screwing around with facts to make an all American hero which was patently not the case.

At least they use a real story line to make a film that entertained and educated the majority of people who watch Rush.

There's a connection - Greengrass the director of Captain Phillips, was the original choice to direct Rush. He's more well known for the latter two Bourne films, the last of which was one of those fast edit films. Did Rush benefit!



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 11:00

Just scoped the link on Sean Edwards as provided above by Elwing.  Truly, a sad loss.  Heartfelt condolences to Guy and the family.

 

 



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 17:42

There's a connection - Greengrass the director of Captain Phillips, was the original choice to direct Rush. He's more well known for the latter two Bourne films, the last of which was one of those fast edit films. Did Rush benefit!

 

Mike, see my post #1829. "Rush" would have been a very different film had Paul Greengrass directed it, and "Captain Phillips" is tremendous (n.b. usually I can't stand Tom Hanks films). By the way it was the second and third Bourne films that Greengrass did such a great job on, there are four altogether JohnP :)



#1843 mfd

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 19:12

Mike, see my post #1829. "Rush" would have been a very different film had Paul Greengrass directed it, and "Captain Phillips" is tremendous (n.b. usually I can't stand Tom Hanks films). By the way it was the second and third Bourne films that Greengrass did such a great job on, there are four altogether JohnP :)

Sorry John, I hadn't meant to repeat something you'd already said.

 

I always meant #2 & 3, that's the Bourne Trilogy. I'd forgotten about #4 as I've never seen it - some other bloke playing the title role I believe



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 21:12

From executive producer, Todd Hallowell:

 

"...That was Daniel Bruhl's voiceover, although he sounded very convincing..."

 

Vince H.

Thanks

 

It fooled me :-) He seemed to take on a different tone, would have been so nice though if it had been Lauda himself though, perfect finale then



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 21:14

I just got home from seeing the movie here in Vancouver.  I enjoyed it-my wife seemed to enjoy it...

It was slow at the beginning and we both thought it might not come up to snuff but it did once the racing scenes really got going.  It was interesting trying to id everybody in the drivers meetings esp.  I am sure I saw "Chapman" at one stage.  The portrayal of Hunt and Lauda by the two actors was very good although I had rather hoped they would use the legendary scene when  Hunt walked down the stairs into a quite upscale reception, wearing T shirt, torn jeans and no shoes and reportedly let out a stentorian fart and then introduced himself to the stunned gathering. Hunt was a rougher character than is portrayed in the movie apparently. The portrayal of Lauda's injuries was certainly realistic-had me squirming in my seat.   I would recommend the movie.

 

Alistair Caldwell had a cameo playing a race official who was the spitting image of Chapman, may have been that character that you saw.



#1846 scheivlak

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 21:08

One thing I found curious - The movie depicts the public scoreboards at the races as showing 3-letter abbreviated versions of the drivers' names.  

Every scoreboard I've ever seen at a racetrack identifies the cars by car number.

 

Has anybody ever seen a scoreboard that identifies the cars by the driver's name instead of the car number?

 

Just rewatched the first laps of 2013 Japanese GP - to my surprise the scoreboard (Indy tower style) gave the positions as 1 GRO 2 WEB 3 VET 4 ROS et cetera.



#1847 Emery0323

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 22:35

Just rewatched the first laps of 2013 Japanese GP - to my surprise the scoreboard (Indy tower style) gave the positions as 1 GRO 2 WEB 3 VET 4 ROS et cetera.

Maybe it's a new thing they do now, particularly since the car numbers are unreadable nowadays.  For 1976, however, it looked to me to be very anachronistic, if not inaccurate.



#1848 charles r

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:29

Saw it a couple of weeks ago and thought it was a very good effort, it was a movie, not a documentary, so I have no issues with some of the historical lapses. Coincidentally, met Ron Howard briefly in a restaurant at the weekend and what a nice guy he is, very unassuming.



#1849 275 GTB-4

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 21:51

Saw it a couple of weeks ago and thought it was a very good effort, it was a movie, not a documentary, so I have no issues with some of the historical lapses. Coincidentally, met Ron Howard briefly in a restaurant at the weekend and what a nice guy he is, very unassuming.

 

Did he pick up your check? :clap:



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 23:10

Does anyone know how Hunts Mclaren managed to get on the back of the grid at Monza?