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#1 MatsNorway

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 18:42

http://speedhunters....en-wheeler.aspx

Great class. i wish i could play around with cars in that class. Very futuristic looking cars too.

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#2 cheapracer

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 19:37

http://speedhunters....en-wheeler.aspx

Great class. i wish i could play around with cars in that class. Very futuristic looking cars too.


I'm disgusted with this class for what it could have been, I don't think they even have 30 runners in the whole US after all these years and need to mix them with the also overpriced DSR class.

I am also happy to see until recently anyway, that an old Formula 2000 converted to the job was winning quite handily over the $50,000 plus Stohr's and similar - they have so much aero aids forgetting that 200 torqueless hp can only do so much (the main reason the old F2000 is so fast).

If you want to see how it is and should be done at the right price, look up "Jedi Racing" in the UK (600 and 1000 class).

http://www.formulajedi.com/cars.php
http://www.formulajedi.com/series.php
http://www.msportuk.com/racing/



#3 GBarclay

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 21:31

I'm disgusted with this class for what it could have been,


Cheapracer,

can you explain what you would have liked the car / class to be, ideally?

While "cheap" was a goal initially, and the first gen F1000's were in the $30K region for a roller, it has now evolved to a point where $60K rollers are the norm. And even with "stock" motors, they are being run pretty hard, I think F1000 (or FB in SCCA terms) suffered the second most motor failures at runoff's last year.

The costs in CSR and more recently DSR have grown exponentially in recent years, and it appears many of those big spenders are now moving to F1000, along with their well padded check books.

While the converted F2000 cars did well initially, the result at ARRC at Road Atlanta in Oct, shows the new generation F1000's to be a quantum leap forward, 2 sec's a lap was what I heard.

Perhaps the class rules should have been written to keep manufacturer's out, in my opinion, F1000 got real expensive about the time Ralph Firman took an interest, and West/Stohr/Speads had to up their game. But keeping it to converted F2000's/Continentals, was a very limiting factor, most gentlemen SCCA racers do not have the mechanical wherewithall to build and develop their own race cars. Perhaps 20 or 30 years ago, but most drivers I know today have limited time, and prefer to arrive and drive, and pay for doing so.

I will admit that the new generation of FB's are pretty sexy looking cars, they sound great, and will outrun the F2000's pretty easily. Those formulajedi's are just plain ugly in my eyes.

#4 cheapracer

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:14


in my opinion, F1000 got real expensive about the time Ralph Firman took an interest, and West/Stohr/Speads had to up their game.


Nothing to do with them, they build their cars within the class rules - who made the class rules ....

"Cheap" was never the goal with the way the rules were formulated, as I told them at the time.

There's plenty of ways to build very cheap racecars to suit that ideal, you just have to want to.


Those formula jedi's are just plain ugly in my eyes.


Apparently a lot of people who own them either disagree or don't care.





#5 Paolo

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:31

We already discussed Cheapy's rage here... http://forums.autosp...=inexpensive f2

#6 Paolo

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:36

In the f1000 vs F Jedy debate, I still am for F1000, for the very good reason that it is not a spec series.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:38

"Cheap" was never the goal with the way the rules were formulated, as I told them at the time.


My first impression, looking at the links above... average cost per "incident"... Jedi $2,000 ... F1000 $20,000 :stoned:
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#8 NeilR

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 11:03

In the f1000 vs F Jedy debate, I still am for F1000, for the very good reason that it is not a spec series.



True it is not a spec series, but Fjedi is a stable, profitable series that has been running for quite a few years and that has reasonable chances of running for another five years. That in itself marks it out as a success. The cars are also used for sprints and hillclimbs in class 0-600cc. I am not sure that a direct comparison to f1000 is fair and reasonable given the different markets.

Edited by NeilR, 14 January 2012 - 12:15.


#9 cheapracer

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 11:27

In the f1000 vs F Jedy debate, I still am for F1000, for the very good reason that it is not a spec series.


I don't understand that at all, a poorly attended race with a broad performance differential between cars is better than a 30 field closely run race (both having similar vehicles/spectacle/laptimes)? There is no logic to that.


My first impression, looking at the links above... average cost per "incident"... Jedi $2,000 ... F1000 $20,000


Indeed and as many racers will tell you, buying the car is the cheap part.


We already discussed Cheapy's rage here...


I just checked why I was so reasonable and polite, it was mid week, no drinking :lol:

Edited by cheapracer, 14 January 2012 - 11:34.


#10 Paolo

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 06:59

I don't understand that at all, a poorly attended race with a broad performance differential between cars is better than a 30 field closely run race (both having similar vehicles/spectacle/laptimes)? There is no logic to that.


So I guess you prefer to watch GP2 on TV instead of F1?
And, again, you prefer modern 107% limited F1 to the 70's one with its huge performance differentials?



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Posted 15 January 2012 - 15:14

So I guess you prefer to watch GP2 on TV instead of F1?
And, again, you prefer modern 107% limited F1 to the 70's one with its huge performance differentials?




My statement was relevant to F1000 Vs Jedi racing.

#12 Paolo

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 17:57

My statement was relevant to F1000 Vs Jedi racing.


I Win!
I Win!
I Win!


:kiss:

(last one was the podium. And I am the left one. And the right one is a She. A very nice She. With Gazoongas).