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#1 rwills

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 15:42


January 16th, 2012

The “Return to Power” for 1966 – 1971 3 litre F1 cars

The “Return to Power” is a new series for 3 litre Formula 1 cars from 1966 to 1971 and is set to kick off by taking centre stage at Brands Hatch on May 26/27 with the “Historic Race of Champions”.

The race is being promoted by historic racers Andrew Smith, Joe Twyman and Roger Wills together with Masters Historic Racing. It will provide an opportunity for owners of earlier F1 cars from this highly evocative era to race competitively, away from the later winged and ground-effect cars. The Historic Race of Champions will be run at the Masters Historic Festival at Brands Hatch, just two weeks after the Monaco Historic Grand Prix. Ace preparation company Hall & Hall is sponsoring the race and will add further weight since it has several customers with eligible cars.

Two races will be run for the cars over the weekend and Joe Twyman is confident of a healthy entry. “We are aiming for 20 cars, maybe more. The event will be two weeks after Monaco meaning that many cars will be race-ready and in Europe already and we want to gauge the competitor response before looking at more races.”

Andrew Smith and Roger Wills are both set to race their March 701s, Smith’s car being the ex-Jackie Stewart Tyrrell March that won the Daily Mail Race of Champions in 1970, and Wills’ being the ex-Chris Amon works car that won the Daily Express International Trophy in the same year.

“We want to provide a platform for these cars to race competitively on their own,” stresses Twyman. “Apart from Monaco every two years, there is no other race for this era of car and we want to change that.”

The race will run under Masters regulations with DFV-engined cars restricted to 10,000 rpm and tyres will be cut slicks. Due to the sponsorship provided by Hall & Hall the entry fees will be very competitive.

Plans are also underway to recreate the traditional award for pole position: 100 bottles of champagne to the driver who sets the fastest lap time in qualifying.

“We really want this to be a success,” says Masters Series boss Ron Maydon. “We are working hard to encourage owners of these cars to take to the track and we want this to be the start of something big.”

For more information on the Hall & Hall Historic Race of Champions, interested drivers and teams should contact:

The Masters Series office - +44 (0)1908 587 545 or team@themastersseries.com<mailto:tea...tersseries.com>

Joe Twyman - +44 (0)7827 926 894 or joe@twyman.co<mailto:joe@twyman.co>
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#2 willga

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 17:31

Just a thought, but might it be an idea to allow F2 machinery to pad out the grids, like they did in period?

#3 Stephen W

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 11:09

Just a thought, but might it be an idea to allow F2 machinery to pad out the grids, like they did in period?


They also padded out the grids with F5000 cars from 1969. Personally if they can get enough F1 cars then they should stick with those. I would rather see just 20 F1 cars rather than have an additional batch of F2 cars cluttering up the place!



#4 arttidesco

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 14:55

Got that date marked in my diary :up:

#5 willga

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 16:57

I would rather see just 20 F1 cars rather than have an additional batch of F2 cars cluttering up the place!


Depends on the F2 cars, surely - I see Hall&Hall have a Lotus 48 advertised, and one or two Matras would brighten up the grids.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 17:13

I see Hall&Hall have a Lotus 48 advertised, and one or two Matras would brighten up the grids.


Hall & Hall also have 312 B2 #007 which should make the cut :love:

Add in the Lotus Martin and McLaren Serenissima and this should be an entertaining event :smoking:

Are there any H16 BRM's in working order ?

Shame the Trojan 102 misses the cut by a couple of years :(

#7 Allen Brown

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 17:49

A lot of the eligible cars are in running order but not in racing order. The interesting thing to watch will be the number of 1972 cars that get in, just as in back in the days of the HSCC Pre-71 championship. I'm betting on at least one M19C and at least one March 721 pretending to be a 711.

#8 timf5000

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 18:05

Hall & Hall also have 312 B2 #007 which should make the cut :love:

Add in the Lotus Martin and McLaren Serenissima and this should be an entertaining event :smoking:

Are there any H16 BRM's in working order ?

Shame the Trojan 102 misses the cut by a couple of years :(



artidesco

My Trojan T102 was built in November '73 for the '74 season and is an F5000. Did you mean the F1 T103? But that wasn't built til '74!! But I would love to be there racing! Guess I'll just have to spectate just like my family did at ALL previous RoC's! Have to dig out my old programmes and result sheets from the loft!

#9 Peter Morley

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 10:56

Are there any H16 BRM's in working order ?


There could be two running H-16 cars:
The lightweight (P115) H-16 BRM is a running car and has been historic raced, Hall & Hall were advertising it for sale not so long ago.
They are also (re)building an H-16 engine for Andy Middlehurst's Lotus 43.
The other H-16 cars are either in museums (Caister & Donington) or engineless.


#10 arttidesco

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 11:10

artidesco

My Trojan T102 was built in November '73 for the '74 season and is an F5000. Did you mean the F1 T103? But that wasn't built til '74!! But I would love to be there racing! Guess I'll just have to spectate just like my family did at ALL previous RoC's! Have to dig out my old programmes and result sheets from the loft!


It was precisely your T102 I was thinking of, being a late comer to the RoC (1973) I always associate the race as a top notch 'libre event' with F1 & F5000 cars.

I remember the sense of anticipation for the 1974 race and looking forward to seeing the Ferrari B3, Lola T370, Ensign, Hesketh, Lyncar and Trojan 102 for the first time. In those days I was lucky to get taken to the races, unfortunately there was no chance of making it to the practice sessions :rolleyes:

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 23:07

Depends on the F2 cars, surely - I see Hall&Hall have a Lotus 48 advertised


Bob Tabor appears to be selling his lovely 48

http://www.hallandha...8_-_F2/4781.htm

...& his Lotus 21

http://www.hallandha...Climax/4769.htm


There could be two running H-16 cars:
The lightweight (P115) H-16 BRM is a running car and has been historic raced, Hall & Hall were advertising it for sale not so long ago.
They are also (re)building an H-16 engine for Andy Middlehurst's Lotus 43.
The other H-16 cars are either in museums (Caister & Donington) or engineless.


Donington 1991, and Rick Hall discusses the merits of the H16 with Richard Attwood.

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#12 Lola5000

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 23:24

What about the odd Tasman series powered cars with 2.5 Repcos or Climax cars.

#13 Stephen W

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 08:56

What about the odd Tasman series powered cars with 2.5 Repcos or Climax cars.


I would have thought they would not be out of place in an F1 race as several cars appeared in '66 to '67 with a lot less than a 3 litre engine!

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#14 rwills

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 08:00

I would have thought they would not be out of place in an F1 race as several cars appeared in '66 to '67 with a lot less than a 3 litre engine!

:up:


We are trying to keep the eligibility quite tight for now at 66-71 F1 cars.

But anyone with a car they think could be a good fit should make contact with the Masters office.



#15 Ted Walker

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 08:27

Roger are you going to allow F2 Cars fitted with proper FVAs etc to run ?????

#16 rwills

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 09:03

We will see closer to the time how the grid looks of F1 machinery and then make a decision. We've not had any enquiries yet from F2 owners. There are some cool F1 cars coming out of the woodwork though so it is looking very good.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 21:23

A lot of the eligible cars are in running order but not in racing order. The interesting thing to watch will be the number of 1972 cars that get in, just as in back in the days of the HSCC Pre-71 championship. I'm betting on at least one M19C and at least one March 721 pretending to be a 711.




yes, I have a spare tea tray nose for my March and, yes, I am trying to get it in, no pretence about it though..

Rudolf

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 21:24

A lot of the eligible cars are in running order but not in racing order. The interesting thing to watch will be the number of 1972 cars that get in, just as in back in the days of the HSCC Pre-71 championship. I'm betting on at least one M19C and at least one March 721 pretending to be a 711.




yes, I have a spare tea tray nose for my March and, yes, I am trying to get it in, no pretence about it though..

Rudolf

#19 Allen Brown

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 21:35

yes, I have a spare tea tray nose for my March and, yes, I am trying to get it in, no pretence about it though..

Rudolf

Sometimes I should think before I open my mouth

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#20 arttidesco

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 23:37

There could be two running H-16 cars:
The lightweight (P115) H-16 BRM is a running car and has been historic raced, Hall & Hall were advertising it for sale not so long ago.
They are also (re)building an H-16 engine for Andy Middlehurst's Lotus 43.
The other H-16 cars are either in museums (Caister & Donington) or engineless.


Be worth the trip from Bristol to Brands just to hear an H16 Dougs Motor Racing Mavericks quotes Graham Hill as saying his was 'growling' as every one in the pits at Rheims scrambling for cover !

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 14:29

Be worth the trip from Bristol to Brands just to hear an H16 Dougs Motor Racing Mavericks quotes Graham Hill as saying his was 'growling' as every one in the pits at Rheims scrambling for cover !


Apparently when they started the H-16 after restoration it rattled so much they switched it off immediately and rang one of the 'old boys' to ask if that was normal, only when he confirmed that was normal when cold did they carry on!

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 15:26

Apparently when they started the H-16 after restoration it rattled so much they switched it off immediately and rang one of the 'old boys' to ask if that was normal, only when he confirmed that was normal when cold did they carry on!


Thanks, can't wait to hear one in action from cold :drunk:

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 14:18

Any news on the entry list for Brands this weekend?
Can't see anything posted on Masters web site ...


#24 rwills

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 17:45

http://news.motorspo...c-festival.aspx

Monday, May 21 2012

The entry list for this weekend's (26/27 May) Masters Historic Festival at Brands Hatch contains a huge collection of winners, classics and rarities. Highlights include the Tyrrell P34 six-wheeler that raced in 1977, when Ronnie Peterson and Patrick Depallier drove for the team; whilst Rob Walker's Lotus 18 that scored a remarkable against-the-odds victory for Stirling Moss at the 1961 Monaco Grand Prix will also be appearing.

Both days will include six F1 races from categories spanning the 1930s to 1980s, whilst there are demonstrations of newer machinery, plus celebrity driver parades.

Demonstrations
• 1983 Benetton B193
• 1990 Benetton B190
• 1984 Toleman
• 1986 Lola Beatrice
• 1967 Lotus 49 driven by Clive Chapman
• 1970 March 701 driven by Derek Bell
• 1970 BRM 153 driven by Jackie Oliver
• 1972 BRM P180 driven by Howden Ganley

Formula 1 Races:

GP Masters
• Amon F101
• Arrows A1 and A3-3
• Brabham BT42
• Ensign MN01
• Lotus 76/1, 80 and 92/5
• March 701, 711 and 721
• McLaren M26
• Shadow DN5
• Surtees TS14
• Tyrrell 002, 009, 012 and P34 6-wheeler
• Williams FW06 and FW07/D

Historic Race of Champions
• Brabham BT33
• Cooper T86C
• De Tomaso 505
• Lotus 35 Martin
• March 701, 711 and 721/711
• Matra MS120 and MS80
• Surtees TS9
• Tecno PA123
• Tyrrell 002

Historic Grand Prix Cars
• BRM P48
• LDS 03
• Brabham BT11, BT11A, BT16 and BT4
• Cooper T45, T66, T41, T43, T45, T45/51, T51 and T53
• Cooper-Bristol Mk II 3/53
• Gordini T16-31
• Heron-Alfa Romeo F1
• Lola Mk4
• Lotus 16, 18, 18/21, 21, 24 and 25
• Lotus-Alfa Romeo 18
• Maserati 250F, 6C34 and 6CM
• Scirocco-Powell F1
• Tec-Mec F415
• Walker Special TecMec

Tickets for the Masters Historic Festival at Brands Hatch are available from £17, with free entry for children aged 12 and under. For more information call 0843 453 9000 or click here.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 17:55

The lightweight (P115) H-16 BRM is a running car and has been historic raced, Hall & Hall were advertising it for sale not so long ago.

It was sold to France last year.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 07:44

What a splendid non-monotone noise it must be. I wish I could be there , but pray for good weather and succes.

Edited by Bjorn Kjer, 22 May 2012 - 07:45.


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Posted 24 May 2012 - 15:35

Any news on the entry list for Brands this weekend?
Can't see anything posted on Masters web site ...


provisional entry list

David