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[etceterini.com]

Here are some new photos:

http://www.cliffreut...anGrandPrix.htm

I thought this should be a new topic and not merged with the Green Valley
page.

[eldougo]

The MARCH team must have been busy changing car numbers all weekend.6 drivers 5 cars.

The Brabham team No8 with that UGLY nose the worst looking Brabham ever(Sorry RON).

The No26 Chris Craft first time in a F1 DNQ.

The first time for Mark Donohue 8th on the grid

A load of drivers and not enough cars it looks like.
A.De Adamich ,John Cannon , N Lauda ,

GREAT PHOTOS .......

Edited by eldougo, 22 January 2012 - 07:06.

[MCS]

Amazing. Thanks for another real treat.

I had forgotten those stubby airboxes and that Pete Lovely had put a DFV into his Lotus 69. Is that Peter Gethin running second at the start? I don't remember that.

Edited by MCS, 22 January 2012 - 07:46.

[sterling49]

Great photos, thank you for posting ! That Ferrari was as lovely as the Brabham's nose cone odd, the previous years version was so nice too.

[Tim Murray]

Tremendous stuff. The BRM running second in the opening lap shot is Siffert. I don't think I'd ever seen the modified nose on Lovely's Lotus before.

[dbltop]

My first GP! Thank you for posting and bringing back a lot of memories.

[ensign14]

Good stuff. Also raises the odd point of note.

1. Presumably Graham Hill was in a spare/experimental Lobsterclaw, hence his being 37 rather than 7?

2. First time I have seen a sufficiently close-up shot of Eaton to show there was a design on his helmet. Maybe new for 1971?

3. The second shot of the Eifelland Surtees appears to have John at the wheel. Looks like a practice shot, the track is dry, so it could be JS giving it a test rather than RS borrowing a helmet.

4. Nice touch that the organizers left no. 1 blank in honour of Rindt.

[Tim Murray]

1. Presumably Graham Hill was in a spare/experimental Lobsterclaw, hence his being 37 rather than 7?

Interesting. There's a brief note in the data section of the Autosport report which says the number was changed due to an 'advert clash'. Does anyone know more about this?

[arttidesco]

Wow ! Great Pix ! Today's lesson is that there was a Lotus 69 raced to Formula One spec ! Has any other chassis type been raced in Formula Ford and Formula One spec ?

[ensign14]

Lotus 22?

[jj2728]

Great photos and thanks for sharing. Pete Lovely drove the same car at the Glen.

[MCS]

Tremendous stuff. The BRM running second in the opening lap shot is Siffert. I don't think I'd ever seen the modified nose on Lovely's Lotus before.

That is entirely logical, Tim (and my initial thought). But I have enlarged the image and modified it and I genuinely don't think it is Siffert unless he wore a different/modified helmet - i.e. visor neb - for the race. The number doesn't look like 14 either...

Or is the first shot taken on a warm up lap?

[PCC]

The first time for Mark Donohue 8th on the grid

A great debut. If I had to rely purely on memory, I would have sworn that Donohue had driven a pristine white McLaren, not one in Sunoco colours. Obviously, I'm wrong. Am I confusing this with another Canadian GP? Did Donohue ever drive a Penske McLaren at Mosport that was white? Or did I dream it?

[Tim Murray]

That is entirely logical, Tim (and my initial thought). But I have enlarged the image and modified it and I genuinely don't think it is Siffert unless he wore a different/modified helmet - i.e. visor neb - for the race. The number doesn't look like 14 either...

Or is the first shot taken on a warm up lap?

Your eyes are better than mine, Mark. I was going by the report in Autosport by Pete Lyons:

There was no tyre smoke. Cevert got off badly, holding up the left side of the grid and leaving Stewart to pull away with Siffert. The Tyrrell plunged over the hill just ahead of the BRM, which tucked in behind but then found Peterson’s March crowdng up alongside from its third row start. Going up to Turn 2 Peterson got ahead and suddenly Seppi’s visor was completely black with mud. The P160 shot off the road through weeds, straggling back far down amongst the backmarkers with its “mouth” clogged full of dirt. At the end of the lap four cars came round in a prominent bunch, Stewart just leading from Peterson, Beltoise (from the 5th row!) and Donohue in a close line. No-one came for some seconds until Fittipaldi appeared in fifth.

So if the photo was taken during the actual race I think it has to be Siffert. However, because of the appalling conditions the cars were allowed a 10 minute warm-up before the start, so the photo could have been taken then.

Edited by Tim Murray, 22 January 2012 - 14:02.

[RA Historian]

A great debut. If I had to rely purely on memory, I would have sworn that Donohue had driven a pristine white McLaren, not one in Sunoco colours. Obviously, I'm wrong. Am I confusing this with another Canadian GP? Did Donohue ever drive a Penske McLaren at Mosport that was white? Or did I dream it?

You dreamt it. Donohue drove in the Canadian GP twice, 1971 as noted in the Sunoco liveried McLaren M19. Then Donohue debuted the Penske PC-1 at the 1974 Canadian GP, but it was painted red, white, and blue in the colors of sponsor First National City Travelers Checks.

Tom

[PCC]

You dreamt it. Donohue drove in the Canadian GP twice, 1971 as noted in the Sunoco liveried McLaren M19. Then Donohue debuted the Penske PC-1 at the 1974 Canadian GP, but it was painted red, white, and blue in the colors of sponsor First National City Travelers Checks.

Tom

Wow. So much for the reliability of eyewitness accounts - or at least, of my eyewitness accounts! Thanks for the clarification.

[dbltop]

I remember the blue Sunoco livery, it looked sharp, but I don't remember the roll bar being set so far back. It looks odd to me now.

[PCC]

I remember the blue Sunoco livery, it looked sharp, but I don't remember the roll bar being set so far back. It looks odd to me now.

I'm grasping at straws here, but could I be confusing the GP with another event, like an F5000 race? Any white Penske/Donohue entry in such an event? Or has my dotage well and truly arrived?

[JB Miltonian]

PCC - You are almost undoubtedly thinking of the white #6 Lola T192 that Mark Donohue drove to a debut win at the Mosport Formula A/5000 race in September 1970. In "The Unfair Advantage", Donohue writes: "It was such a quick, low-budget deal, we didn't even take time to paint it blue. That car was white, but at least it carried our number six."

Edited by JB Miltonian, 22 January 2012 - 19:36.

[PCC]

PCC - You are almost undoubtedly thinking of the white #6 Lola T192 that Mark Donohue drove to a debut win at the Mosport Formula A/5000 race in September 1970. In "The Unfair Advantage", Donohue writes: "It was such a quick, low-budget deal, we didn't even take time to paint it blue. That car was white, but at least it carried our number six."

Thank you! What a relief!

And what an extraordinary place TNF is, to be able to get an authoritative answer to such a question, and so quickly!