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#151 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 17:08

Plato and MG win. Wow! Even though I don't think much of Jason for his move in race 1, Triple 8 and MG have to be congratulated for bringing this new car in and making it work.

Looked like a hard fought race all the way down too. :up:

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#152 billm99uk

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 17:09

Well Plato might be a prick but he can drive ;)

Gonna be a fun year :)

#153 kosmic33

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 17:45

Moody and Harvey were fantastic in the box.

If ever there was a man designed for BTCC commentary it's Moody! :up:

#154 JRizzle86

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 18:02

Well Plato might be a prick but he can drive ;)

Gonna be a fun year :)



He just replaces the skilled art of overtaking with ramming the quarter panel and hoping they go off without taking him out also.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 18:20

He just replaces the skilled art of overtaking with ramming the quarter panel and hoping they go off without taking him out also.


Always thought that was Matt Neal :down: , he always comes across as a guy who has no finesse when attempting to pass, so he just punts them out of the way, ask Gordon Shedden. By the same token Plato went for a gap going into paddock in race one that wasn't there. But all in all I have always thought that Plato is a tough but fair racer for the majority of the time.












#156 billm99uk

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 19:13

Think Jeff Smith should get An endorsement for that move on Collard though.

#157 AdamM

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 19:33

It all seemed so promising in the build up to the season opener. Then the racing started and it was the same old. How do some of those guys get racing licenses? Moreover, how do some of them keep their racing licenses?

I wonder if Plato has ever managed an overtake that didn't involve punting the car in front into a slide or right off the track. Are the stewards and Gow that scared to really penalise him? Was almost shouting at the telly for Jordan to seize the moment in race 3!

#158 midgrid

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 19:47

Just looked on there, he had budgeted £4k for spares for the entire season :eek:

Its HRT x 1,000,000.


Isn't he meant to be running a second car later in the season? What's the budget for that, I wonder?


#159 Dispenser89

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 21:03

Shame that Shedden has been disqualified from the last race due to work done during the red flag/parc ferme conditions.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/98546

Edited by Dispenser89, 01 April 2012 - 21:04.


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#160 AdamM

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 21:16

How about Newsham, it looked like they did a tape job on his car before the restart?

#161 Dispenser89

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 21:25

How about Newsham, it looked like they did a tape job on his car before the restart?

In his podium interview, Newsham said they checked with the stewards if it was ok and it was fine by them.

#162 AdamM

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 21:36

Thanks, missed the post-race stuff due to the sky controller being confiscated as soon as Plato went past the flag! Nice of the stewards to give him a break, shame they didn't do the right thing in race 1.

#163 dave12

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 22:08

I don't know why but i find myself really liking Plato :| :)

Edited by dave12, 01 April 2012 - 22:09.


#164 Cavani

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 22:09

my first race of btcc i am starting to like it

Edited by Cavani, 01 April 2012 - 22:10.


#165 Little Leaf

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:33

I don't know why but i find myself really liking Plato :| :)


Same here, although that move in race 1 was a bit too much.

The series needs their top names to be in the mix, and good to see the MG get a win.

Bit disappointed with the Audi though

#166 ImDDAA

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 13:00

I don't mind a bit of contact but Plato was clearly nudging tails in the breaking zones to squeeze any defending car out of the way, the way he was doing it was so sneaky. Guess it's all within the rules but I don't like it, the line will get crossed sooner or later.


#167 Pharazon

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 13:05

I don't mind a bit of contact but Plato was clearly nudging tails in the breaking zones to squeeze any defending car out of the way, the way he was doing it was so sneaky. Guess it's all within the rules but I don't like it, the line will get crossed sooner or later.


that's how you always pass on the brands short circuit though. in tc that's always how's it done.. well, most of the time

#168 ImDDAA

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 13:09

that's how you always pass on the brands short circuit though. in tc that's always how's it done.. well, most of the time


Plato made clean passes too, so it's not like it can't be done.

#169 froggy22

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 13:11

Unfortunately Plato and Neal have been using that "technique" for years, probably their whole careers. Rarely see either one of them overtake someone without giving them a push first. It seems to be accepted in BTCC now, which is a shame. Giovanardi seemed to be one of the few top class drivers that was able to overtake cleanly, in recent years. I miss him. He had class that Plato and Neal could only dream of having.

#170 ForeverF1

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 13:16

Fabrizio is a great bloke, I miss him in BTCC too, he was always a pleasure to have a conversation with.

#171 Suzy

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 14:10

There are some good blokes in the BTCC this year too. Driving standards haven't improved sadly. Having said that even Jason made some clean passes yesterday and what a shocking result for the MG - I really thought Jason would spend the first half of the season in the midfield. Team ES Racing have proved to be a real surprise and I am desperately hoping that will continue through the season. Hoping the Sunshine lot will be able to get a car together and I really hope that Paul O'Neill can get himself back into a race seat.

I miss Fabrizio too from the grid. If you're not careful I shall end up wandering down memory lane with anecdotes from days gone by (yes I know it's more suitable for TNF) and recollections of encounters on the grid and clashes on the track and those great pit-to-car radio messages which had no consideration for either live TV or political correctness. :lol:

#172 billm99uk

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 19:50

Team ES Racing have proved to be a real surprise and I am desperately hoping that will continue through the season.


Well judging from the Newsham interview yesterday it doesn't sound like they're planning on a lot of development work.

#173 Disgrace

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 21:34

Having watched the WTCC in Valencia too, the difference in driving standards between the two championships is now night and day.

Team Aon with Chilton are languishing near the back having made the move this year. The likes of Muller and Huff made the transition easily, but I can't see that happening anymore.

The BTCC is certainly more entertaining though, but not for the right reasons.

#174 ColchesterF1

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 21:41

Was at Brands yesterday. On the run down to Graham Hill Bend, really good action :) The cars all look superb!

#175 midgrid

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 17:04

So, Plato's on pole at Donington in the new MG. Would anyone bet against him for the championship this year?

#176 Dispenser89

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 17:10

So, Plato's on pole at Donington in the new MG. Would anyone bet against him for the championship this year?

I'm still hoping for Shedden, but Plato does look at home in the MG already. Hoping for Plato and Neal to have their usual fireworks this year.

#177 PayasYouRace

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 17:12

The great thing is that the MG is competitive right out of the box. It's probably too soon to be thinking about the championship though.

#178 Disgrace

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 17:20

I disagree, I think Plato will be a contender. Although it's a new car, it's run by 888 who will be able to find time out of the chassis throughout the year.

#179 Crafty

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 17:38

I'm slightly bemused by everyone being so amazed at the MG.
At the end of the day the team are hugely experienced and no doubt have a decent budget.

The cars run a common subframe, so much of the engineering with regards to geometry is based around a known and tested component.
The rear end is (I guess) reasonably conventional and given the weighting/cog spring and damping rates can be calculated fairly accurately.

A big fuss was being made about the car only being ready a week before the last race, but in reality the car was built and designed weeks ago, it just didn't exist.

I wouldn't expect much less from 888 to be honest.

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#180 fifi

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 10:44

great start from collard shit start for the hondas

#181 froggy22

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 10:50

Plato gets Plato'd by jackson

#182 PayasYouRace

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:04

Not a bad race. Plato given a bit of a taste of his own medicine by Jackson there. Nice to see Jackson and Flash getting good results.

#183 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:05

I sometimes wonder why I bother watching, they don't race they just push each other out of the way!

#184 Kraken

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:37

If you want to watch processions of "pure" racing there are plenty to choose from. Usually with tiny grids.

BTCC is pure entertainment.

Never understand all the Plato comments either. I've been watching BTCC since the RS500 days and I'd say that Neal is far worse for punting people out of the way.

#185 kosmic33

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:46

Anyone any idea what actually happened in yesterdays Ginetta race?

#186 froggy22

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:54

If you want to watch processions of "pure" racing there are plenty to choose from. Usually with tiny grids.

BTCC is pure entertainment.

Never understand all the Plato comments either. I've been watching BTCC since the RS500 days and I'd say that Neal is far worse for punting people out of the way.

without a doubt, Matt Neal cant overtake anyone without a push. he is the worst for it. but Plato uses the same "tactic" too often

#187 ImDDAA

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 13:23

Plato was at it again and it bit him in the bottom.

#188 PayasYouRace

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 13:40

A typical Plato move that. Not sure what he was trying to do but Collard wasn't just going to disappear. Collard's recovery was impressive.

The other incident looked like a racing incident. I don't think Griffin was in the right to go after James in the gravel like that.

Great win by Flash Gordon!

#189 ImDDAA

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 13:41

A typical Plato move that. Not sure what he was trying to do but Collard wasn't just going to disappear. Collard's recovery was impressive.

The other incident looked like a racing incident. I don't think Griffin was in the right to go after James in the gravel like that.

Great win by Flash Gordon!


Agreed, he had to come back on the track and was taking near enough to the edge of the race course, he had nowhere to go.

#190 PayasYouRace

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 16:25

Race 3 has been chaos and carnage so far. SC it out. Time to take stock and work out WTF was going on. Matt Neal out that's for sure.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 16:26

Good old race 3. Pure madness.

#192 PayasYouRace

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 16:29

All that was caused by Collard making a mess of his recovery to the track. Haven't seen what happened to the other MG on the front straight yet. TV director was asleep.

#193 jrg19

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 16:29

That lap was crackers!

#194 PayasYouRace

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 16:46

A great recovery by Plato, and a frantic final lap between the top 3, ruined somewhat by Plato pushing Shedden out of the way at the final corner. Another win for Jackson. Dunno how he held on there.

Gordon not happy at all there on the radio.

Edited by PayasYouRace, 15 April 2012 - 16:48.


#195 expert

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 16:47

Great drive Jackson

Plato... anything need to be said?

#196 Jambo

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 16:48

Every race Plato seemes more of a joke.

#197 Dispenser89

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 16:48

Plato showing off his bump passing technique. Before that, it was a great drive from him.

Well done Mat Jackson for holding on. Well done Gilham in fourth.

#198 Pharazon

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 16:49

oh plato, you'd be a great driver if you wern't such a cock

#199 onewingedangel

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 16:49

Plato shouldn't get away with that - just rammed Sheddon off.

He wouldn't have tried that on Neal  ;)

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#200 ImDDAA

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 16:50

Plato showing off his bump passing technique. Before that, it was a great drive from him.

Well done Mat Jackson for holding on. Well done Gilham in fourth.


What a joke. I can't abide what is just cheating.