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#1 brickyard

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 13:32

Hi,

I confess I know much about Sports Cars, but so far this one beats me. I have no references at all in my books and magazines.
Anyone knows the story behind this car?
Was it a Group 44 chassis? Thanks!

http://www.racingspo...8-01-31-034.jpg
http://www.racingspo...8-01-31-034.jpg


Best Regards
Luis Mateus

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#2 mysteriousdriver

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 14:37

Hi,

I confess I know much about Sports Cars, but so far this one beats me. I have no references at all in my books and magazines.
Anyone knows the story behind this car?
Was it a Group 44 chassis? Thanks!

http://www.racingspo...8-01-31-034.jpg
http://www.racingspo...8-01-31-034.jpg


Best Regards
Luis Mateus


This car is the 1982 XJR-5 built by Bob Tullius of group 44 for the IMSA series. It is a V-12. It is I, think, one of the best looking of the IMSA cars.

Regards,
Mysteriousdriver

#3 Macca

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 14:41

Not a genuine Tullius car, I think - looks like an Ultima......

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#4 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 15:14

The Ultima is a good candidate, but I was thinking Royale/Argo as I saw the picture.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 16:06

According to this site: http://www.supercars.../cars/4817.html the Ukina-Jaguar was a Lights car entered for the 1988 Daytona 24 Hour Race by Ray Hendricks (sic) but which did not take part in practice.

#6 GroupC2

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 16:41

Its an Ultima

You can tell by the windscreen, its off the Lyncar MS84 group C2 Car.

It could be we know to much about too little

#7 alansart

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 16:49

Its an Ultima

You can tell by the windscreen, its off the Lyncar MS84 group C2 Car.

It could be we know to much about too little


It certainly looks like it.

http://www.ultimaspo...ry/lrg/001s.jpg

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 22:43

Looks mighty suspicious, none of the drivers listed have any form on RSC outside of their alleged involvement with this particular car which was not listed even as a 'probable' entry according to this list.

A highly elaborate ruse to crash the party perhaps ?

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 23:48

Looks mighty suspicious, none of the drivers listed have any form on RSC outside of their alleged involvement with this particular car which was not listed even as a 'probable' entry according to this list.

A highly elaborate ruse to crash the party perhaps ?

Maybe - though good old Bert Struble is still racing: http://www.proitseri...../bert struble

#10 arttidesco

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 00:41

Maybe - though good old Bert Struble is still racing:


Says he is having a ball :lol:


#11 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 13:42

This car has puzzled me for the past few days, as I was sure I had seen a picture of it somewhere, and finally found out where! In the History of the IMSA GTP Series, by Martin & Wells, there's a short note on page 316 telling the story.

R. G. "Ray" Hendrick, a Jaguar enthusiast, had bought an Ultima chassis in England with plans to power the chassis with a 2.4 Jaguar XK engine with the bore of a 3.8 creating a 3.0 for the GTP Lights catagory. This engine was to be build by Tom Curren, but the engine at Daytona was in fact a straight-4 Pontiac. A brochure seems to have been the marketing side of Hendrick's idea, but no takers and the whole project was dropped.

The picture in the books seems to have been taken at the same place and time as that on the RSC site and must be the Daytona pit garages. This picture shows garage #40 with two big banners proclaiming:

GRAN PRIX
MOTORSPORTS, LTD.
JAGUAR GTP
CAMEL LIGHTS


A look in Time and Two Seats says that the car was a DNA, but obviously it was at Daytona, but as its said in the IMSA book, never took to the track. It might not even have made it to scrutineering. John Starkey's book about Group C and IMSA has no mention of the car.

Edited by Jesper O. Hansen, 05 February 2012 - 13:45.


#12 brickyard

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 14:07

This car has puzzled me for the past few days, as I was sure I had seen a picture of it somewhere, and finally found out where! In the History of the IMSA GTP Series, by Martin & Wells, there's a short note on page 316 telling the story.

R. G. "Ray" Hendrick, a Jaguar enthusiast, had bought an Ultima chassis in England with plans to power the chassis with a 2.4 Jaguar XK engine with the bore of a 3.8 creating a 3.0 for the GTP Lights catagory. This engine was to be build by Tom Curren, but the engine at Daytona was in fact a straight-4 Pontiac. A brochure seems to have been the marketing side of Hendrick's idea, but no takers and the whole project was dropped.

The picture in the books seems to have been taken at the same place and time as that on the RSC site and must be the Daytona pit garages. This picture shows garage #40 with two big banners proclaiming:

GRAN PRIX
MOTORSPORTS, LTD.
JAGUAR GTP
CAMEL LIGHTS


A look in Time and Two Seats says that the car was a DNA, but obviously it was at Daytona, but as its said in the IMSA book, never took to the track. It might not even have made it to scrutineering. John Starkey's book about Group C and IMSA has no mention of the car.


Thank you Jesper,

this information is a great finding. I have the "Directory of World Sportscars Group C and IMSA Cars from 1982" by Michael Cotton and "Endurance Racing 1982-1991" by Ian Briggs and neither mention this car.

Best regards,
Luis

Edited by brickyard, 05 February 2012 - 15:09.


#13 RickT

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 15:28

Hi Guys

Look closely behind the car in the photo and you can just see a Jag XK straight six engine on a stand, it has a white painted block, gold cam covers and green webber trumpets, one would have to assume that this was the planned engine talked about above ? That would have been one big heavy (but well proven and reliable) motor to drop in the back of a GTP Lights car !

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 10:40

According to this site: http://www.supercars.../cars/4817.html the Ukina-Jaguar was a Lights car entered for the 1988 Daytona 24 Hour Race by Ray Hendricks (sic) but which did not take part in practice.


Where does the Ukina name come from, as Ray Hendricks obviously referred to the car as a Jaguar, plain and simple. It's not on the entry list for the 1988 24 hours at Daytona, but was it ever intended for the race?

Jesper

#15 arttidesco

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 13:22

Where does the Ukina name come from, as Ray Hendricks obviously referred to the car as a Jaguar, plain and simple. It's not on the entry list for the 1988 24 hours at Daytona, but was it ever intended for the race?

Jesper


Wondering if the name is a mistranslation of the photographers notes, does it take a huge leap of imagination to get from a badly written 'lt' to a 'k' over a span of a couple of decades ?