Oldest driver line-up?
#1
Posted 05 February 2012 - 22:01
We have 89 years at Mercedes 1955 (Kling, Fangio) and 91 years at André Testut Maserati (Louis Chiron, André Testut)
Any more older than 76?
When was the last line-up that was older than the HRT line-up for 2012.
of course only two drivers per team, sometimes teams had more than two.
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#2
Posted 05 February 2012 - 22:10
#3
Posted 05 February 2012 - 22:11
Karthikeyan und De La Rosa at HRT are together 76 years old. That's very old for today, but not in history.
We have 89 years at Mercedes 1955 (Kling, Fangio) and 91 years at André Testut Maserati (Louis Chiron, André Testut)
Any more older than 76?
When was the last line-up that was older than the HRT line-up for 2012.
of course only two drivers per team, sometimes teams had more than two.
What about Laffite and Arnoux at Ligier in 1986? Arnoux would have been 37 at the start of the season and Laffite was 42. Hence a total of 79.
Edited by garoidb, 05 February 2012 - 22:12.
#4
Posted 05 February 2012 - 22:35
Andre Testut Maserati was not a team. Andre Testut was a Monagesque private owner and when he failed to qualify for the Monaco GP fellow Monagesque Louis Chiron simply put in a few practice laps to test the car with no intention of racing.
On the original question, how about Alfa Romeo in 1950 with Farina, Fangio, and Fagioli as regular drivers. An average age of 45 at mid year?
Edited by D-Type, 08 February 2012 - 20:08.
#5
Posted 05 February 2012 - 23:37
#6
Posted 06 February 2012 - 00:43
#7
Posted 06 February 2012 - 00:49
#8
Posted 06 February 2012 - 03:33
Mansell and Patrese in 1992 had a combined age of 77
If you extend outside of Grand Prix racing, then more pairings become available - Mansell and Andretti at Newman-Haas in 1993 had a combined age of 93
Edited by jwoodmor, 06 February 2012 - 03:38.
#9
Posted 06 February 2012 - 06:15
Both men turned 34 in 1998.Jean Alesi and Johnny Herbert reached the 76 mark whilst racing for Sauber in 1998.
When they were team mates in early 1975 Hill was 46 and Stommelen 31, so 77 in combination.Graham Hill and Rolf Stommelen in 1975 had a combined age of 78
#10
Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:45
#11
Posted 06 February 2012 - 14:33
So the last one older than the HRT line-up was 1992 at Williams I think.
I'm still wondering why anyone would want to know this, what's interesting about it?
#12
Posted 06 February 2012 - 14:46
That race was where JS had apparently forgotten the best technique for a standing start and DP said 6k on the clock and drop the clutch, so he did, and flew away like a rocket.
It was DCN in the commentary box who pointed out their combined ages, which might have explained the less than swift changeover, other things notwithstanding.
Roger Lund
#13
Posted 06 February 2012 - 15:42
Both men turned 34 in 1998.
Oops! My mistake.
#14
Posted 06 February 2012 - 15:53
Ours not to ask the reason why ...I'm still wondering why anyone would want to know this, what's interesting about it?
Maybe a pub discussion: youngest pairing? -> oldest pairing? -> I'll ask the forum.
#15
Posted 06 February 2012 - 18:14
Why not? I think in a sport where the young guns are constantly trying to establish themselves while the old guard are trying to keep racing for as long as they can before getting pushed aside, it's an interesting little bit of trivia. Do teams go with sage experience, the next hotshot, or a mix?I'm still wondering why anyone would want to know this, what's interesting about it?
#16
Posted 06 February 2012 - 18:15
If they did, that chef that went on the Mille Miglia Retro would suddenly be in demand.Do teams go with sage experience...
#17
Posted 06 February 2012 - 21:37
Edited by ryan86, 07 February 2012 - 02:42.
#18
Posted 08 February 2012 - 19:50
1986: Ligier (René Arnoux, Jacques Laffite): 79
1975: Hill (Graham Hill, Rolf Stommelen): 77
1992: Williams (Nigel Mansell, Riccardo Patrese): 77
Any more over 75?
#19
Posted 08 February 2012 - 21:42
1979: Andretti (39) & Reutemann (37) = 76
Arnoux turned 38 on 2-Jul-86, so for their last two races as a team Arnoux and Laffite had an age sum of 80.
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#20
Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:01
The two lads had a combined age of 146!
#21
Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:02
#23
Posted 08 February 2012 - 23:00
#24
Posted 09 February 2012 - 13:50
1986: Ligier (René Arnoux, Jacques Laffite): 79
1975: Hill (Graham Hill, Rolf Stommelen): 77
1992: Williams (Nigel Mansell, Riccardo Patrese): 77
1979: Williams (Mario Andretti, Carlos Reutemann): 76
1986: Haas (Alan Jones, Patrick Tambay): 76
1994: McLaren (Martin Brundle, Philippe Alliot): 75
1994: Williams (Nigel Mansell, Damon Hill): 75
#25
Posted 09 February 2012 - 15:07
#26
Posted 09 February 2012 - 16:35
It depends on the date you measure the ages: the beginning of the year (January 1st), beginning of the racing season (ie firstrace) mid year (June 30th) or after one or both of the drivers' birthdays or the end of the year (31st December)? A max difference of 1 year on each age giving a maximum of 2 years on the total.You've missed Hill and Edwards in 1974. As I also said above, Arnoux and Laffite's highest total is 80, not 79.
To illustrate this. Suppose you have two drivers whose birthdays are 15 February 1991 and 20 December 1981, then
at 1/1/2012 the sum will be 50,
on 15/2/2012 it will be 51,
at the first race it will be 51,
at mid-year, 30/6/2012, it will be 51,
at 20/12/2012 it will be 52, and
at the end of the year, 31/12/2012 it will be 52.
If you simply say "2012-1991 = 21 and 2012-1981 = 31 , you'll get a total of 52 which is wrong most of the time.
With different birthdays you'll get a different set of numbers but the problem will be the same.
Edited by D-Type, 09 February 2012 - 17:44.
#27
Posted 09 February 2012 - 19:22
#28
Posted 09 February 2012 - 19:38
#29
Posted 09 February 2012 - 20:16
I think our friend was inspired by the current line up of Karthikeyan and DeLa Rosa at HRT, which implies ages at the start of the season.
#30
Posted 09 February 2012 - 20:25
#31
Posted 09 February 2012 - 20:27
Edited by Tim Murray, 09 February 2012 - 20:28.
#32
Posted 09 February 2012 - 22:10
Yes, but...
I think our friend was inspired by the current line up of Karthikeyan and DeLa Rosa at HRT, which implies ages at the start of the season.
Can't say that line up inspires me
#33
Posted 13 August 2012 - 19:02
Andre Testut Maserati was not a team. Andre Testut was a Monagesque private owner and when he failed to qualify for the Monaco GP fellow Monagesque Louis Chiron simply put in a few practice laps to test the car with no intention of racing.
Jus a little precision to tell that André Testut was not Monegasque. He's french (from Lyon) but have a monegasque license, so it's difficult to tell he's french or monegasque on a motorsport's point of view...
#34
Posted 13 August 2012 - 19:25
How did he come to have a Monagesque licence? Living/working in Monaco? Monagesque parentage? Proximity of Monaco to Lyon making easier to apply there instead of Paris?
#35
Posted 13 August 2012 - 19:54
After his official retirment, Louis Chiron had the idea to race a Formula 1 car in the colors of Monaco during his national Grand Prix. He convice André Testut and the Prince Rainier III and it's why André Testut obtain his licence from Monaco.;)
(excuse me for my approximative english)
#36
Posted 13 August 2012 - 20:07
#37
Posted 13 August 2012 - 20:11
Thank you for the explanation.André Testud was a very good friend of Louis Chiron. They frequently ran against each other in Hillclimb races like the Mont-Ventoux (the favorite one of A.Testut) and the Mont-Dore, for examples.
After his official retirment, Louis Chiron had the idea to race a Formula 1 car in the colors of Monaco during his national Grand Prix. He convice André Testut and the Prince Rainier III and it's why André Testut obtain his licence from Monaco.;)
(excuse me for my approximative english)
Votre Anglais: C'est meilleur que mon Francais! Un fois, le matre m'a dit: "Duncan, vous parlez Francais comme une vache Espagnole" -
(That week's vocabulary list included farm animals and nationalities hence his choice of comment)
#38
Posted 13 August 2012 - 20:36
Axlex!Do you have any more info for Mr.Testut or have a photo for him?
I had a long telephone conversation with Ms. Testut few years ago so I think I'm able to give you more info about him. So if you have any question, tell me !
But sorry, for the photo, André Testut is still missing in my collection...
Duncan, your french is almost perfect !
Edited by axlex, 13 August 2012 - 20:58.