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#3001 Pingu Pi

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 03:37

Sky Go coverage is 30 seconds behind BBC coverage.

I emailed Sky to complain about the lag ( making Sky on the PC completely useless) and the technical person said

"It's coz of the satellites innit ! "

So BBC for me this weekend. No point Mr Ecclestone putting up Live Timing and then Sky showing it 1/3 lap behind.....

Numpties.

Andy


Think that's the only gripe I've found, not good being so far behind, it makes sat In front of the tv and having the sky sports race control app on my iPad pointless.

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#3002 pinkypants

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 03:58

Reallly enjoying the Five Live commentary, James a little rusty but still enjoying it :)

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 04:03

Reallly enjoying the Five Live commentary, James a little rusty but still enjoying it :)


I wish they'd stop talking over the radio transmissions, its a tad annoying.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:22


I'm gagging for a Shaun of the Dead moment where Jake, Eddie and David bump in to Simon, Damon and and Martin while they walk in opposite directions through the pit lane. Yes, I very much look forward to it.

#3005 Massa_f1

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:34

was flicking between Sky and BBC and both teams were interviewing Bruno Senna Live in the pitlane the same time :confused: or so it seemed. Someone was clearly lieing about being live.

Edited by Massa_f1, 14 April 2012 - 05:38.


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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:42

Was enjoying sticking with BBC for the build up before Eddie the idiot started pipping up about Ferrari/Sauber team orders. He really doesn't like Alonso but he got put in his place twice by that lovely woman from Sauber who I forgot the name of :blush:

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:43

Flicking between the two live shows - one thing stands out....just how similar they are.

Three guys walking the pit lane...check
Review of the last gp....check
Vt interview with Perez...check
Live interview with senna in front of the Williams pit......check.......but what's this - yes both sky and BBC doing a live senna interview AT THE SAME TIME!!!!

Someone (the beeb I think) stitching in a slightly delayed interview as if live - very clever

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:48

Three GPS in and Sky still haven't managed to get race control fixed for sky go customers... Bunch of amateurs

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:50

Sky Go coverage is 30 seconds behind BBC coverage.

I emailed Sky to complain about the lag ( making Sky on the PC completely useless) and the technical person said

"It's coz of the satellites innit ! "

So BBC for me this weekend. No point Mr Ecclestone putting up Live Timing and then Sky showing it 1/3 lap behind.....

Numpties.

Andy


Slightly unfair - to truly compare and criticise you should compare the sky website stream with the bbc,s .......


#3010 ali.unal

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:50

I think I now dislike di Resta because of SKY and BBC.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:52

I think I now dislike di Resta because of SKY and BBC.


I don't dislike him but he is incredibly dull

#3012 swerved

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:52

I think I now dislike di Resta because of SKY and BBC.



I disliked him anyway, I'd rather watch the flowviz dry on a front wing.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:02

Three GPS in and Sky still haven't managed to get race control fixed for sky go customers... Bunch of amateurs


Cheapskate. :wave:

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:04

Cheapskate. :wave:


Eh ? Sky go cost more than normal sky tv !!! I pay £49 a month for it, my mate pays £40 a month for traditional sky tv via a satellite !

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:05

I'm gagging for a Shaun of the Dead moment where Jake, Eddie and David bump in to Simon, Damon and and Martin while they walk in opposite directions through the pit lane. Yes, I very much look forward to it.

:lol:

#3016 Peat

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:14

Eh ? Sky go cost more than normal sky tv !!! I pay £49 a month for it, my mate pays £40 a month for traditional sky tv via a satellite !


Oh, blimey! In that case, sorry, i can understand your p!ssed-off-ness!


#3017 Pingu Pi

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:25

Anybody know why there are no adverts this weekend on sky?

#3018 Peat

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:31

Don't want people to switch over to Beeb i presume.

#3019 chrisblades85

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:36

Watching Sky, as the picture and sound are better.

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#3020 jrg19

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:36

Twice Gary Anderson has spoilt Vettels team radio!

#3021 RC127

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:38

Don't want people to switch over to Beeb i presume.


Didn't realise it was going to apply to qualifying, but apparently Martin Brundle had tweeted "no ads in the hour leading up to the Grand Prix", and yes, exactly the reason outlined by Peat above.

#3022 expert

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:53

BBC commentary team is class this year. DC coming into his own.

Thought I'd miss Brundle, but nup.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:40

I watched BBC run up, Sky track action, BBC post coverage, then when BBC switched off I watched Sky again. Strange to see Sky F1 on a dedicated F1 channel needing to cut Johnny Herbert off because he can talk because they're running out of time!

I like the mix of Sky and BBC, it's too mono-toned and bland on Sky, I like the enthused feeling on the BBC.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:47

I watched BBC run up, Sky track action, BBC post coverage, then when BBC switched off I watched Sky again. Strange to see Sky F1 on a dedicated F1 channel needing to cut Johnny Herbert off because he can talk because they're running out of time!

I like the mix of Sky and BBC, it's too mono-toned and bland on Sky, I like the enthused feeling on the BBC.

:up Yep same here, the great thing is pre/post coverage you can skip between the two to avoid the boring stuff such as Eddie ranting about Ferrari on the BBC or another Di resta interview on Sky.

I do prefer Edwards/DC in terms of commentary though.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:48

BBC commentary team is class this year. DC coming into his own.

Thought I'd miss Brundle, but nup.

Same here. This is the first weekend I've watched live this year. I'm a student and contrary to popular belief we're not loaded. I can't afford to pay for Sky so I got the full races, ahem, by other means as I'm not keen on highlights only. There's one thing that stands out for me in BBC vs Sky. Sky seems too amateurish and dumbed down. Skypad is a joke and Damon Hill is as dull as ditchwater. I agree that the BBC commentary team is better. DC is really good and I didn't miss Brundle at all. Sky have also got Croft who is absolutely awful. I also didn't miss Ted and thought Gary Anderson did a good job too. All in all I'm happy with the BBC and actually don't feel betrayed by them. It's the Con-dems who froze the license fee that attracts my ire and the the ever increasing commercialism and drive for viewing figures.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:55

I watched the BBC today, and I would agree with RedBaron that both have their strengths and weaknesses. The BBC post-shows are better than what Sky offered up for the past two weekends. And you wouldn't get features like the track walk with Webber and Jake on Sky - it's a bit more straight-laced and Lazenby seems terrified to actually go and talk to drivers half of the time.

I'm not a big Jake fan but he's come a long way with regards to Bernie. I thought his questions and follow ups were really good, even though the answers he was getting were predictably crap. I seem to remember him falling to pieces when he first had to interview him in 2009!

EJ interviewing Monisha Kalternborn was pure cringe though.

I think I prefer Crofty and Brundle slightly to Edwards and DC but there's not a great difference, both commentary teams are good. But Gary Anderson just isn't cut out for the pitlane role, there's no comparison when it comes to him and Ted.

Lee is a really good asset to the BBC but I think Georgie is actually doing pretty well too when she's used correctly. I suppose you can compare the two with the F1 Show and Inside F1 - both are doing a good job on those. Natalie Pinkham is perfectly competent as a TV presenter but I don't feel she adds anything to the role she's supposed to be playing - and one of Lee's best strengths is getting the drivers to open up post-session. "Blah blah blah", "maybe it's because I'm black" and now Vettel's "idiot" comment were all from her interviews!

I was never that fussed on using Crofty and Ant for race day last year but they really are streets ahead when it comes to filling the gaps in the practice sessions. I've found 5Live's work on those to be rather dry this year.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:53

The BBC coverage is less fussy. Less is MORE. There's a regal quality to how BBC do this now, SKY is too tabloid for my liking. Too many gizmos, too much of everything.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:57

The BBC coverage is less fussy. Less is MORE. There's a regal quality to how BBC do this now, SKY is too tabloid for my liking. Too many gizmos, too much of everything.


Too much of everything on Sky... yet from watching the final 25 minutes of their post-quali analysis show there was one very crucial thing missing.... a full rundown of the top 10 quali positions.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:58

I'm not a big Jake fan but he's come a long way with regards to Bernie. I thought his questions and follow ups were really good, even though the answers he was getting were predictably crap. I seem to remember him falling to pieces when he first had to interview him in 2009!


Agreed, was surprised incredibly by JH interview of Bernie, that certainly isn't one for the faint-hearted. Knowing Jakey he probably thinks that interview is going to be remade into a movie called Humphrey/Ecclestone ;)

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:45

Too much of everything on Sky... yet from watching the final 25 minutes of their post-quali analysis show there was one very crucial thing missing.... a full rundown of the top 10 quali positions.


If you'd have watched all the post analysis you'd of seen they did a full run down, with the drivers doing that looking up and smiling thingy they have.

#3031 Kraken

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:58

It's the Con-dems who froze the license fee that attracts my ire and the the ever increasing commercialism and drive for viewing figures.

That's not the reason it's not all on the Beeb though. At the end of the day motorsport is a multi-billion pound business for this country and we're the best in the world at it but it doesn't fit the "luvvies" agenda so it gets bumped. There was nothing with higher viewing figures so that's not correct either.


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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:01

Too much of everything on Sky... yet from watching the final 25 minutes of their post-quali analysis show there was one very crucial thing missing.... a full rundown of the top 10 quali positions.

Well that will teach you to pay better attention then next time won't it and tune in sooner.;)

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:12

I'd thought that Sky were well on the way but today's pre and post show were terrible.

George is worse than useless on the Skypad. Knows nothing and it's blatantly obvious. When she has nothing to add but wants to break from the nodding dog routine, you get an incredibly empty question. 2 or 3 times today we had 'is that a sign of total confidence in the car - is that a sign of no confidence in the car'? But even worse is when Ant stumbles across something she has had before or thinks she can actually talk about briefly, she gets desperate to butt in and bring it up. Lose her totally from Skypad and if an ex driver or similar can't get to grips with presenting then leave it for a full feature with Martin later.

Simon is hard to watch. His total lack of confidence makes for uncomfortable viewing. That lack of assuredness means he can't relax and just stick to presenting. He's too desperate to make a killer point or ask an insightful question when he doesn't need too. Quite often Brundle and even Herbet took over the interviews on him.

Sky using their sooper dooper (sic) 3d Mclaren to tell us how an F1 car is like a plane upside down? Come on, I know there may be some beginners watching but surely you can give us some proper detail and info using that?

And a woeful Paul Di Resta feature which if they had to use, would have been much better actually on the Monaco coverage.

Need to find a rhythm soon. It's not working and that Sky Q&A doesn't hold out much hope for them actually understanding where they're going wrong.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:14

The BBC coverage is less fussy. Less is MORE. There's a regal quality to how BBC do this now, SKY is too tabloid for my liking. Too many gizmos, too much of everything.


Are you having a laugh ?
The BBC do not deserve our viewership for the way they conducted themselves and the utter arrogance they showed to their customers, i.e. us.

For all the whining and moaning I think Sky are doing a decent job given that they are only 3 races in. They've actively sought feedback and have already made changes based on the feedback.

I don't miss Jakes matey matey banter.
I don't miss EJ rambling on and then DC picking holes in it.
I don't like Edwards.

I'm not saying Sky couldn't improve, but for me BBC are a dead duck.


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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:21

I'm gagging for a Shaun of the Dead moment where Jake, Eddie and David bump in to Simon, Damon and and Martin while they walk in opposite directions through the pit lane. Yes, I very much look forward to it.


Haha, brilliant. :rotfl:

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:29

I'm gagging for a Shaun of the Dead moment where Jake, Eddie and David bump in to Simon, Damon and and Martin while they walk in opposite directions through the pit lane. Yes, I very much look forward to it.


Its already happened a few times on the Sky coverage to walk past the BBC team or have them queuing with them for interviews.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:30

Pause the TV for a few seconds and then everything is in sync :drunk:


Sky Go coverage is 30 seconds behind BBC coverage.

I emailed Sky to complain about the lag ( making Sky on the PC completely useless) and the technical person said

"It's coz of the satellites innit ! "

So BBC for me this weekend. No point Mr Ecclestone putting up Live Timing and then Sky showing it 1/3 lap behind.....

Numpties.

Andy



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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:30

Are you having a laugh ?
The BBC do not deserve our viewership for the way they conducted themselves and the utter arrogance they showed to their customers, i.e. us.

For all the whining and moaning I think Sky are doing a decent job given that they are only 3 races in. They've actively sought feedback and have already made changes based on the feedback.


I don't miss Jakes matey matey banter.
I don't miss EJ rambling on and then DC picking holes in it.
I don't like Edwards.

I'm not saying Sky couldn't improve, but for me BBC are a dead duck.


I do agree with that. My annoyance stems from wanting them to do a good job to justify my subs and because the BBC pulled the rug from under our feet. It is good that they want feedback but I get the impression there are a few 'untouchable' areas they won't even look at changing despite issues.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:38

Are you having a laugh ?
The BBC do not deserve our viewership for the way they conducted themselves and the utter arrogance they showed to their customers, i.e. us.

For all the whining and moaning I think Sky are doing a decent job given that they are only 3 races in. They've actively sought feedback and have already made changes based on the feedback.

I don't miss Jakes matey matey banter.
I don't miss EJ rambling on and then DC picking holes in it.
I don't like Edwards.

I'm not saying Sky couldn't improve, but for me BBC are a dead duck.


It's a matter of opinion, but BBC fits in with my lifestyle. I don't hate SKY, but it's too much. I really like the less is more BBC version now. I'm not into the high tech approach -- I really don't care about the sky pad and the over-the-top analysis anymore. I do miss Ted, though.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:38

Are you having a laugh ?
The BBC do not deserve our viewership for the way they conducted themselves and the utter arrogance they showed to their customers, i.e. us.

For all the whining and moaning I think Sky are doing a decent job given that they are only 3 races in. They've actively sought feedback and have already made changes based on the feedback.

I don't miss Jakes matey matey banter.
I don't miss EJ rambling on and then DC picking holes in it.
I don't like Edwards.

I'm not saying Sky couldn't improve, but for me BBC are a dead duck.


It's a matter of opinion, but BBC fits in with my lifestyle. I don't hate SKY, but it's too much. I really like the less is more BBC version now. I'm not into the high tech approach -- I really don't care about the sky pad and the over-the-top analysis anymore. I do miss Ted, though.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:48

Finally the possibility to watch qual and race live on BBC. So far I'm prefering their commentary, including Edwards over Brundle.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:48

It's a matter of opinion, but BBC fits in with my lifestyle. I don't hate SKY, but it's too much. I really like the less is more BBC version now. I'm not into the high tech approach -- I really don't care about the sky pad and the over-the-top analysis anymore. I do miss Ted, though.

Indeed. The loss of Ted is a shame.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:02

Finally the possibility to watch qual and race live on BBC. So far I'm prefering their commentary, including Edwards over Brundle.


I take it you like being sent to sleep then? I couldn't believe that after the ultra boring voice of Jonathan L, they have brought in someone who sounds equally unenthusiastic. Hopefully his knowledge is better tha JL's.

#3044 D.M.N.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:08

I watched Sky and I thought their coverage was really good. I assume you've got BBC on one TV and Sky on another TV stef.

I didn't once feel the need to turn over to BBC for a long period of time, I only turned over at the 5-minute signal to see if there was any delay on one or the other, and turned over at 8:29am to see if BBC were off air when Sky took their break.

I liked their post-race better than BBC's last years - the only thing they need to improve on is timing, at the end of the show, and cutting off Norbert before the PC was a bit rude, although funny to see him talking to Paffett on the phone.

I did see Gary and Ted squarming to interview Ross Brawn at the end of Qualifying, looks like Gary got first dibs there. Also, I didn't spot BBC when Sky were interviewing Senna, were BBC walking in Sky's direction when the interview was taking place, or away from Senna? If BBC's was pre-recorded at 06:15 UK time as someone said, then that means the majority of their pre-show was pre-recorded.

Watching the pre-show for BBC now, what I will say is that all of BBC's features and interviews that they've done can be compact into that 55 minute pre-show on Saturday and 30 minute pre-show on Sunday whereas with Sky, you've got:

- 55 minute pre-show on Saturday
- 85 minute pre-show on Sunday
- The F1 Show on Saturday
- pre-bits for practice

BBC only need to interview say a Christian Horner once before Qualifying, whereas Sky for instance would interview him before every session and for Sky Sports News... wait, the second that's unfeasible for Sky and would quickly annoy Christian. Hence why they've got to balance things out across all three days, something BBC do not have to do because they do not broadcast a proper program on Friday (Inside F1 you could argue, but I'm not sure who actually watches that, nor if it counts).

Of course, I guess another argument is apples vs oranges, comparing Sky with a lot more airtime to BBC with less airtime is unfair. It depends what you can watch, what you choose to watch, what features you like to see and your personal preferences. It depends also how you want to compare - whole weekend coverage vs whole weekend, race day vs race day, pre-race vs pre-race. If anything, we all win with the amount of options and sound bites we can choose from.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:08

Lazenby was awful again this morning, he looks so uncomfortable and out of place! It's odd because he's had nearly 15yrs presenting various sports for Sky.
Sky should really give the main role to Georgie as she's taken to presenting in the F1 world like a duck to water. It's a minor point anyway because regardless I'll keep watching Sky as the BBC really don't deserve my viewership as they sold us all down the river to save money to produce more celebrity obsessed non content like Strictly come dancing and The voice etc etc etc.

#3046 Octavian

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:13

I liked their post-race better than BBC's last years - the only thing they need to improve on is timing, at the end of the show, and cutting off Norbert before the PC was a bit rude, although funny to see him talking to Paffett on the phone.


Not much they could have done there. It wasn't planned to interview Norbert, they caught him coming out of the garage on the fly, if they had not grabbed him then it would have been harder to track him down after the PC, in fact they probably wouldn't have bothered. He seemed cool about it - they were after all cutting him off to show his drivers in the PC and then they came right back to him and gave him decent time in front of the cameras, which is great for him, the team and the sponsors in terms of exposure. And great for us in terms of insight! Much better than just letting him walk off anyway :)

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:18

Not much they could have done there. It wasn't planned to interview Norbert, they caught him coming out of the garage on the fly, if they had not grabbed him then it would have been harder to track him down after the PC, in fact they probably wouldn't have bothered. He seemed cool about it - they were after all cutting him off to show his drivers in the PC and then they came right back to him and gave him decent time in front of the cameras, which is great for him, the team and the sponsors in terms of exposure. And great for us in terms of insight! Much better than just letting him walk off anyway :)

Ah yes, definitely agree with you there. :)

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:20

Twice Gary Anderson has spoilt Vettels team radio!


I came in here to complain about this too! Absolutely abysmal broadcasting. The thing I was wondering was, did they not train him up to not do this? If not, why not? If so, sack him immediately!

I thought the whole show this morning was rubbish compared to last year to be honest. Maybe it's my anger with the beeb clouding my judgement, I dunno... EJ's opinions seemed more ridiculous than ever.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:43

I'm not a big Jake fan but he's come a long way with regards to Bernie. I thought his questions and follow ups were really good, even though the answers he was getting were predictably crap. I seem to remember him falling to pieces when he first had to interview him in 2009!

EJ interviewing Monisha Kalternborn was pure cringe though.

I think I prefer Crofty and Brundle slightly to Edwards and DC but there's not a great difference, both commentary teams are good. But Gary Anderson just isn't cut out for the pitlane role, there's no comparison when it comes to him and Ted.




The uncut interview was quite tetchy by bernie, the Beeb did him a favour by cutting it the way they did but yeah, Jake did a decent job there.

I think Gary's coming on quite well, he was very stiff for the first couple of races but he's starting to relax and add some good insights.


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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:43

Lazenby was awful again this morning, he looks so uncomfortable and out of place! It's odd because he's had nearly 15yrs presenting various sports for Sky.
Sky should really give the main role to Georgie as she's taken to presenting in the F1 world like a duck to water. It's a minor point anyway because regardless I'll keep watching Sky as the BBC really don't deserve my viewership as they sold us all down the river to save money to produce more celebrity obsessed non content like Strictly come dancing and The voice etc etc etc.


I am still not 100% comfortable/sure that an F1 show should be associated with a convicted drink driver, but I cannot deny that the part I have boldened is indisputable. She has really proven me wrong and shattered my preconceptions (based on A1GP days).